LONG Q's again tonight in PVP WHY IS NOTHING DONE ABOUT THIS?

Durham · July 2017

This is ongoing issue ..... we have been asking for feedback on the lag and Q now for weeks and we have received no feedback...

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

The ques are so long because everyone is trying to get into a single campaign now. It's technically working as intended.

ArchMikem · July 2017

You think the Queue is ZOS's problem? Everyone's just too obsessed with Champion Point PvP. The No CP Campaigns are always empty.

Durham · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The ques are so long because everyone is trying to get into a single campaign now. It's technically working as intended.

I understand this ... but I want to know if they plan on changing this since we never get any communication from ZOS unless we tell them the color of our horses are wrong or something .....

zergbase_ESO · July 2017

ZoS way of trying move over flow to non-cp I think? Feels that way to be honest.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Durham wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The ques are so long because everyone is trying to get into a single campaign now. It's technically working as intended.

I understand this ... but I want to know if they plan on changing this since we never get any communication from ZOS unless we tell them the color of our horses are wrong or something .....

You can probably safely bet that this is how things are going to be until they remove the last cp campaign. As a pseudo fix you can simply play in one of the non cp campaigns and help promote them to get more people playing in them.

leeshi · July 2017

Sotha was easy to get into and fun tonight, vivec was not.

When I was in vivec it was a zerg fest as usual. At one point there was probably 70 EP and another 30 or so DC fighting my group of 20 AD. To me that just isn't fun. Course we got stomped too which made it even less fun.

I much prefer the no cp campaign anyway since I'm only 350ish. So I'm a play thing to the high cp guys. I'm still just learning the pvp side, so it may not be high cp wrecking me, but it feels like it. When I encounter lower cp guys not only do I stand a chance but I even win at least 1/2 of those.

Anyway, to sum up, don't be scared of Sotha, it's a fun (non zergy) campaign where skill will matter a bit more than cp build.

Oh and the lag is about 1/2. So bonus pts for that.

Drummerx04 · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

You think the Queue is ZOS's problem? Everyone's just too obsessed with Champion Point PvP. The No CP Campaigns are always empty.

You want to know why I don't want to do a no CP campaign? Because the *** bags will sit up on their walls firing 20 cold fire ballistas at 5 people and due to lack of CP, I'll be missing 20% resources and a bunch of mitigation that makes eating siege damage while 4 procing stamblades try to gank me... just a little easier.

Aka, siege and procs are ridiculous in no CP, and I and many others don't want to deal with it.

And before the "You are a afraid to let go of your CP crutch" people speak up, I enjoy and handle battlegrounds and actual combat in noCP just fine, I've tried it for hours on end.

leeshi · July 2017

Man if you survive 4 proccing stamblades no wonder you want the cp campaign.. In the cp campaign I can't even survive one of them. Of course as I covered I'm new to pvp and low cp... but still, wow!

Durham · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The ques are so long because everyone is trying to get into a single campaign now. It's technically working as intended.

I understand this ... but I want to know if they plan on changing this since we never get any communication from ZOS unless we tell them the color of our horses are wrong or something .....

You can probably safely bet that this is how things are going to be until they remove the last cp campaign. As a pseudo fix you can simply play in one of the non cp campaigns and help promote them to get more people playing in them.

See I play with friends that are playing the CP campaign .... the only one !!! the majority of players do not want to play on NON CP .... But my post is about communication before it got hi-jacked ......

I do not understand how the pvp player base sits back and lets this company get away with no communication ..... I really do not want to talk about NON CP .... I want to know why ZOS does not respond to its playerbase? Yes I k now the player base gets negative part of that is because there is nooooooo comunication.....

leeshi · July 2017

Ok so back on topic, what's the actual problem? I've played eso since launch. Not so much pvp as I've covered, but I've always seen a single campaign be the "full" one that everyone wanted in. So even when there were multiple campaigns with the same rule set there have always been threads like this with people complaining of the queues. Then when zos raised the queue limits they complained about lag.

This always happens in mmos. People want to be on the most crowded server, or the most popular faction, or the most popular pvp campaign.

So here's the problem. They can't just arbitrarily raise the population limits because that causes the other problem you mentioned, lag. They have created multiple campaigns in the past but nobody used them and the complaints were "But I need to be on campaign X so I can play with my friends, omg zos you suck fix it!!".

If you know of some magic way to solve the the "player's always want to be on the *one* server" then by all means let zos know. But complaining and blaming zos for what players do is silly.

I guarantee if they had another cp campaign barely anyone would use it and you would have posted this same thread about queues and people would have said "so go to camp X" and you would have said "no I wanna play with my friends". I've seen this thread in many different iterations over the years and it is always the same regardless of what ZOS tried to do.

I guess you can be happy they have such a popular game that you have queue times.. it could be empty and you have nobody to play with.

The_Duke · July 2017

Durham wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The ques are so long because everyone is trying to get into a single campaign now. It's technically working as intended.

I understand this ... but I want to know if they plan on changing this since we never get any communication from ZOS unless we tell them the color of our horses are wrong or something .....

You can probably safely bet that this is how things are going to be until they remove the last cp campaign. As a pseudo fix you can simply play in one of the non cp campaigns and help promote them to get more people playing in them.

See I play with friends that are playing the CP campaign .... the only one !!! the majority of players do not want to play on NON CP .... But my post is about communication before it got hi-jacked ......

I do not understand how the pvp player base sits back and lets this company get away with no communication ..... I really do not want to talk about NON CP .... I want to know why ZOS does not respond to its playerbase? Yes I k now the player base gets negative part of that is because there is nooooooo comunication.....

They get away with it because there is zero competition on consoles. Wait till Black desert online and Conan come out next year. Its going to hurt them.

raknorok · July 2017

Just spent 3 hours in q for a grand total of 3 games all night, what a waste. Im a one game kinda guy, fix this please ZOS.

Pallmor · July 2017

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

Durham · July 2017

leeshi wrote: »

Ok so back on topic, what's the actual problem? I've played eso since launch. Not so much pvp as I've covered, but I've always seen a single campaign be the "full" one that everyone wanted in. So even when there were multiple campaigns with the same rule set there have always been threads like this with people complaining of the queues. Then when zos raised the queue limits they complained about lag.

This always happens in mmos. People want to be on the most crowded server, or the most popular faction, or the most popular pvp campaign.

So here's the problem. They can't just arbitrarily raise the population limits because that causes the other problem you mentioned, lag. They have created multiple campaigns in the past but nobody used them and the complaints were "But I need to be on campaign X so I can play with my friends, omg zos you suck fix it!!".

If you know of some magic way to solve the the "player's always want to be on the *one* server" then by all means let zos know. But complaining and blaming zos for what players do is silly.

I guarantee if they had another cp campaign barely anyone would use it and you would have posted this same thread about queues and people would have said "so go to camp X" and you would have said "no I wanna play with my friends". I've seen this thread in many different iterations over the years and it is always the same regardless of what ZOS tried to do.

I guess you can be happy they have such a popular game that you have queue times.. it could be empty and you have nobody to play with.

No I played on the CP low pop server Haderous was good fights at primetime when most people play ... now we are crammed into 1 server the other servers have different rule sets....
Haderous went 3 bars on primetime.... Now they replaced it with a rule set that no one wants to play.... But again the main reason for this post is about communication something we have been asking for and they will not deliver on....

Muttsmutt · July 2017

just raise the caps for players in all aliiances...

Epona222 · July 2017

I think they are trying to get people to go into non-CP campaigns instead so that they can eventually remove CP from PvP.

leeshi · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

I think they are trying to get people to go into non-CP campaigns instead so that they can eventually remove CP from PvP.

I'm betting you're right.. Because @durham is right in the sense they should just have an extra cp campaign.. it couldn't hurt for overflow.

That's probably why there's no cp in bgs. They realize they created a huge gap in players via cps. I mean I play eso a lot and still am only 350cp, lol. 630s wreck me in pve and pvp.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

We deserve the same respect xbox got with the extra 1-week camp.

Removimg all but one cp camp is the dumbest thing ZOS has ever done...

Biro123 · July 2017

Muttsmutt wrote: »

just raise the caps for players in all aliiances...

The caps are there because the servers can only handle a certain amount of load.. Vivec on PC EU is already crashing multiple times a day when full. If anything, they need to lower the caps (and open a new campaign)

I think they expected more pvpers to be in BGs rather than Cyro, but I don't think that's really happened.. I'm also suspecting that morrowind may have increased the population meaning more servers may be needed.

Zaldan · July 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

We deserve the same respect xbox got with the extra 1-week camp.

Removimg all but one cp camp is the dumbest thing ZOS has ever done...

Only xbox na got extra campaign, xbox EU didn't

Durham · July 2017

Again no feedback no communication this has been an issue ever since morrowind dropped ... actually always been an issue ... If they did not have such a good product this game would have failed long ago...

BuddyAces · July 2017

leeshi wrote: »

Sotha was easy to get into and fun tonight, vivec was not.

When I was in vivec it was a zerg fest as usual. At one point there was probably 70 EP and another 30 or so DC fighting my group of 20 AD. To me that just isn't fun. Course we got stomped too which made it even less fun.

I much prefer the no cp campaign anyway since I'm only 350ish. So I'm a play thing to the high cp guys. I'm still just learning the pvp side, so it may not be high cp wrecking me, but it feels like it. When I encounter lower cp guys not only do I stand a chance but I even win at least 1/2 of those.

Anyway, to sum up, don't be scared of Sotha, it's a fun (non zergy) campaign where skill will matter a bit more than cp build. Oh and the lag is about 1/2. So bonus pts for that.

Good. 2 nights in a row AD rolled around in a zerg that would have made Genghis Khan(sp) jealous. Serves yall right to be on the other side of it finally.

Durham · July 2017

Again do not focus on non CP vs CP... I want some type of communication from ZOS..

TequilaFire · July 2017

I made a new PSN and ESO account and am having a blast rolling new characters below level 50 with no CP at all yet on the Kyne non vet server.
The PvP reminds me of how it used to be in the beginning and yes siege hurts so don't stand in the red! lol

Joy_Division · July 2017

Durham wrote: »

Again do not focus on non CP vs CP... I want some type of communication from ZOS..

You're not going to get it.

I heard AD queue last night was 130+. EP queue has consistently been 100+ on weekends. They know.

Think about it.

CP more popular pre Morrowind.
Morrowind introduces resource changes which receive a lot of negative feedback
Thus these changes are going to make CP more appealing.
Instead ZoS removes a CP campaign, without even asking its community or even telling us the reason.
From day 1 of Morrowind early access, it even clear this decision was not what the community preferred.
Here we are, 6 weeks later without a peep.

The Amalexia decision was not made because ZoS anticipated a higher demand for no CP. ZoS would have asked and would have already reverted the change weeks ago upon seeing its error

The lag can't be fixed, proper balance can't be attained with CP, and the power creep has gotten so insane - far beyond what the original devs probably thought was possible - that it's far easier for just to give up on CP PvP. Since the PvP community makes up 1% of the player base and the CP system as the crucial carrot to keep the other 99% logging in and grinding, CP as a base system is staying. We are the ones that will either have to adjust or find a new game.

old_mufasa · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

You think the Queue is ZOS's problem? Everyone's just too obsessed with Champion Point PvP. The No CP Campaigns are always empty.

WTF... umm.. so its players fault for wanting to use there max leveled characters to the fullest possible potential and picking a server that allows them to do so?

Or maybe its Zenimax's fault for removing all the other 7 day CP servers and trying to cram everyone in to one server with out doing anything about the population limit....

NBrookus · July 2017

You didn't want in anyway. The performance at prime time last night was atrocious.

So my other options were to:

Go to a camp where proc sets and siege are insanely out of balance
Go play something else

Using no CP as an overflow didn't work; I logged off to play something else.

Durham · July 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Again do not focus on non CP vs CP... I want some type of communication from ZOS..

You're not going to get it.

I heard AD queue last night was 130+. EP queue has consistently been 100+ on weekends. They know.

Think about it.
CP more popular pre Morrowind.

Morrowind introduces resource changes which receive a lot of negative feedback

Thus these changes are going to make CP more appealing.

Instead ZoS removes a CP campaign, without even asking its community or even telling us the reason.

From day 1 of Morrowind early access, it even clear this decision was not what the community preferred.

Here we are, 6 weeks later without a peep.

The Amalexia decision was not made because ZoS anticipated a higher demand for no CP. ZoS would have asked and would have already reverted the change weeks ago upon seeing its error

The lag can't be fixed, proper balance can't be attained with CP, and the power creep has gotten so insane - far beyond what the original devs probably thought was possible - that it's far easier for just to give up on CP PvP. Since the PvP community makes up 1% of the player base and the CP system as the crucial carrot to keep the other 99% logging in and grinding, CP as a base system is staying. We are the ones that will either have to adjust or find a new game.

If camelot unchained was done we would be gone honestly... I have played a ton of MMORPG's over my years as a player ... This game communications have been the worst of all of them.... They have great product to bad they cant get PVP to work properly it would be a cult classic if they could hammer down the performance aspects which imo has driven off its populations....
I would think it would be embarrassing to even have this aspect of the game honestly with the performance so bad.....

Magıc · July 2017

It's funny that Zos are trying to take away CP from PVP. All it's lead to is longer Q's for Vivec. Meanwhile Sotha Sil never has Q's and isn't even pop locked at times.

NeillMcAttack · July 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You think the Queue is ZOS's problem? Everyone's just too obsessed with Champion Point PvP. The No CP Campaigns are always empty.

You want to know why I don't want to do a no CP campaign? Because the *** bags will sit up on their walls firing 20 cold fire ballistas at 5 people and due to lack of CP, I'll be missing 20% resources and a bunch of mitigation that makes eating siege damage while 4 procing stamblades try to gank me... just a little easier.

Aka, siege and procs are ridiculous in no CP, and I and many others don't want to deal with it.

And before the "You are a afraid to let go of your CP crutch" people speak up, I enjoy and handle battlegrounds and actual combat in noCP just fine, I've tried it for hours on end.

5 players getting siege rained on them and nobody has slotted 'purge'!?? Even 3 pumps of mutegen can counter a cold fire ballista, which is still more expensive than purge.

Interestingly though, it seems if you knew more about the game you may actually have more fun, so take this as a positive and informative message.