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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?

So what you're saying is...you were unaware that warden healers have a a couple of great burst heals? I woulda led with that, admitting your ignorance of the class would have been more honest than making up class deficiencies that don't exist.

Um no, I was asking what he meant by "burst AOE healing". Is spring considered "burst AOE healing"? Is the healing ult considered burst "burst AOE healing"? Is the delayed heal considered "burst AOE healing"? Or he just meant the warden's BoL? Because Warden's BoL is inferior compared to Templar's BoL, I failed to see how "Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp."

Have I made myself clear?

Yep. Crystal. It's clear you fail to see how Warden healers are far better bust AE healers than templars. Glad we agree the failure is yours.

Because they are not better burst AOE healers than Templars. Unless you can prove otherwise, which you haven't. I am all ears.

Since I keep reading that you've been a math genius since age 6, maybe look at the skills your own self and do the maths. It might be the first time you've studied them, for all I can tell. Or don't, it doesn't really matter what you think, TBH.

You are not a horse, it is not my job to lead you to water, much less to make you drink.

Never said I am a math genius, I only said i have been doing maths since age 6 (like, don't we all?), I didn't specifically mention how good I was.

So, maybe you just enjoy trash-talking and you can't prove how "Warden healers are far better bust AE healers than templars". Keep the trash-talk as you wish Warden aren't better "bust AE healers" (whatever it is) than Templars until proven otherwise.

They don't owe you an explanation, and neither do I. It has been pointed out to you 3 different ways in the last several pages, you seem to be unable to read posts that don't conform to your confirmation bias, so there is little point in writing another one. You can cherish whatever opinion you like about classes you don't play. They don't mind.

If you can't prove something, just say you can't prove it, it's totally fine.

There's no confirmation bias here, I am honestly curious about how Warden healers are better burst AOE healers than Templars, that's why I asked Gargis about it in a very polite and constructive way, but then you jumped in and you have pointed out to me 3 different ways in the last several pages that you only cared about trash-talking. So off with you, please stop sabotaging the constructive discussion between Gargis and me, go trash-talk elsewhere.

You didn't constructively do jack. You "noped" and condescended to others, and showed your @ss when it turned out you didn't even know what any of the warden spells do.

It was proved 10 pages ago. You'd rather stalk me then address the guy who answered your question several different ways. So moving on...

See, trash-talking again. Everyone who has read the last 2 pages can see that everything you have said about me was false, I was honestly curious about how Warden healers are better burst AOE healers, Gargis and I have been having a constructive discussion. I don't know what's the deal you have against me that you really feel the need to trashtalk me (like, did I steal your sweetroll or something?), and I don't care, you are irrelevant, just another trashtalker on the internet. So, off with you.

I have made my arguments on how I think Templar healers are slightly better in the discussion with Gargis, not that you would notice anyway because you only care about trashtalking.

Lol the thread has 4 pages, yeah it was definitely proved 10 pages ago. Stalk you? Tell that to the person who immediately trashtalked and insulted me when simply asked someone else "What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"?". You have problems, my friend, do you want to talk them all out?

Nope. Talking to you is basically like going to a Monty Python argument clinic.

Oh, I forget, why should I care about your irl issues? You are just a trashtalker on the internet, you are irrelevant.

Thanks for ruining the topic.

josiahva wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)

I guess you forgot about Spores. That hits just as hard as a templar's burst and can hit more people, while buffing them.

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?

No no, man. I solo healed Normal AE trial and I did it primarily with Budding Seeds.

Take the Morph of Budding Seeds. Drop it, let it sit, if none is taking burst damage let its time expire and then drop another.

When the boss are doing their AE burst damage on the raid, you can activate the bloom by pressing the ability again. You do not have to wait on the timer to expire. Cast it over and over and it does massive burst AE healing.

When your magica starts to get low, pop your heal ult. Back bar your buffs including betty and your good to go again.

Caveat: The raid has to be close enough together to be in the circle of the heal, but its big enough to get the job done.

Well I solo healed a normal trial once with my magsorc DD with a restro staff. We were like "there's no healer lol", and I was like "it's fine let me get my restro staff" and it worked.

You can't use your healing ult in vet trial environment, because healers have to run warhorn. As I have said in the previous post, as a healer you should spam spring, not seed. BoL and Seed are two different abilities which serve two different purposes. BoL is an emergency heal when someone is out of position, seed is used along side with spring to boost HPS and occasionally burst heal (if everyone is in position), but mostly to improve HPS. Seed is also much harder to use.

Sure, If I was not the only healer in that Trial I agree. But solo, you have to do what you must to keep ppl up. And no, you don't have to do anything.

And you are missing the point. Wardens Seeds is so good that you don't have to spam springs. You cast it and wait, activate when you need and repeat. Temps have to spam Springs because its a weak spell and they need to get some crits on it. That is not the case with Seeds.

As a warden you cast Springs then seeds and wait.. Temp, you are just about required to spam Springs because that and ritual on top of it is so weak you have to spam.

Go play a Warden and test out Seeds. Its a far better heal that Springs and almost rivals BOL, yet it is AE. The point is that Spring and Seeds is better burst healing compared to Springs and Ritual.

Have you healed a vet trial with seed spamming? The thing is, what you do in a normal trial doesn't translate into vet trial environment. People have been tanking normal trials in medium armour, but it doesn't translate well into vet trials.

The Warden healer in my raid group also spams spring.

No it was a normal trial, and by no means did I have my Warden up to "snuff" for end game content. I only joined a raid with that toon as a last resort to fill a healing spot. I sported Sanctuary/Kaegs and willpower jewelry.

Since it was a normal trial and there was a Healing Templar in grp already, I figured, what the hell, give the Warden a try. Normally, I go in trial with my temp. I was surprised at the effectiveness of the AE healing, but kind of had an idea since I already did dungeons on it.

On my Temp I do like everyone else, drop Ritual, spam HS and use HOD for burst. A quarter through the raid the other healer LD''d and was gone and I was solo from there. On the boss fights it was just as I described and it worked out. The Warden is a better AE healer than the Temp, no doubt. Albeit, everyone has to be stacked.

Seed spamming might not work in vet trial though, the Warden healer in my raid group still needs to spam spring, he includes seed in his rotation, so basically 3 spring 1 seed or something similar to boost the overall HPS and occasionally burst heal.

I find that spring spamming is enough for to keep everyone's healthy, seed is kind of situational, don't get me wrong, it's nice, but in term of burst AOE heal, I find that BoL is still better because burst heal is only needed for emergency, and if you need emergency heal, there's a high chance that people are out of position or the tank is so close death (tanking Warrior or eating manticore's popcorn), you have to make sure to always keep the seed up all the time and it's kinda complex because the duration is 6 seconds only, and if it runs out, you have to 2-tap it for flash heal because the heal is delayed, it's the thing that one second late (1s global cooldown) might be devastating for the tank who is dying to warrior or is eating manticore's popcorn.

But hey, if it works for your playstyle, it's great ^^

josiahva wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)

That's what Enchanted Growth is for (on demand an heals pretty high), on top of being able to spam it while an Ult which is like Healing Springs is going off.

Enchanted Growth heals more and for less than the Shrooms.

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?

No no, man. I solo healed Normal AE trial and I did it primarily with Budding Seeds.

Take the Morph of Budding Seeds. Drop it, let it sit, if none is taking burst damage let its time expire and then drop another.

When the boss are doing their AE burst damage on the raid, you can activate the bloom by pressing the ability again. You do not have to wait on the timer to expire. Cast it over and over and it does massive burst AE healing.

When your magica starts to get low, pop your heal ult. Back bar your buffs including betty and your good to go again.

Caveat: The raid has to be close enough together to be in the circle of the heal, but its big enough to get the job done.

Well I solo healed a normal trial once with my magsorc DD with a restro staff. We were like "there's no healer lol", and I was like "it's fine let me get my restro staff" and it worked.

You can't use your healing ult in vet trial environment, because healers have to run warhorn. As I have said in the previous post, as a healer you should spam spring, not seed. BoL and Seed are two different abilities which serve two different purposes. BoL is an emergency heal when someone is out of position, seed is used along side with spring to boost HPS and occasionally burst heal (if everyone is in position), but mostly to improve HPS. Seed is also much harder to use.

Sure, If I was not the only healer in that Trial I agree. But solo, you have to do what you must to keep ppl up. And no, you don't have to do anything.

And you are missing the point. Wardens Seeds is so good that you don't have to spam springs. You cast it and wait, activate when you need and repeat. Temps have to spam Springs because its a weak spell and they need to get some crits on it. That is not the case with Seeds.

As a warden you cast Springs then seeds and wait.. Temp, you are just about required to spam Springs because that and ritual on top of it is so weak you have to spam.

Go play a Warden and test out Seeds. Its a far better heal that Springs and almost rivals BOL, yet it is AE. The point is that Spring and Seeds is better burst healing compared to Springs and Ritual.

Have you healed a vet trial with seed spamming? The thing is, what you do in a normal trial doesn't translate into vet trial environment. People have been tanking normal trials in medium armour, but it doesn't translate well into vet trials.

The Warden healer in my raid group also spams spring.

No it was a normal trial, and by no means did I have my Warden up to "snuff" for end game content. I only joined a raid with that toon as a last resort to fill a healing spot. I sported Sanctuary/Kaegs and willpower jewelry.

Since it was a normal trial and there was a Healing Templar in grp already, I figured, what the hell, give the Warden a try. Normally, I go in trial with my temp. I was surprised at the effectiveness of the AE healing, but kind of had an idea since I already did dungeons on it.

On my Temp I do like everyone else, drop Ritual, spam HS and use HOD for burst. A quarter through the raid the other healer LD''d and was gone and I was solo from there. On the boss fights it was just as I described and it worked out. The Warden is a better AE healer than the Temp, no doubt. Albeit, everyone has to be stacked.

Seed spamming might not work in vet trial though, the Warden healer in my raid group still needs to spam spring, he includes seed in his rotation, so basically 3 spring 1 seed or something similar to boost the overall HPS and occasionally burst heal.

I find that spring spamming is enough for to keep everyone's healthy, seed is kind of situational, don't get me wrong, it's nice, but in term of burst AOE heal, I find that BoL is still better because burst heal is only needed for emergency, and if you need emergency heal, there's a high chance that people are out of position or the tank is so close death (tanking Warrior or eating manticore's popcorn), you have to make sure to always keep the seed up all the time and it's kinda complex because the duration is 6 seconds only, and if it runs out, you have to 2-tap it for flash heal because the heal is delayed, it's the thing that one second late (1s global cooldown) might be devastating for the tank who is dying to warrior or is eating manticore's popcorn.

But hey, if it works for your playstyle, it's great ^^

This is called Anecdotal evidence and would never past muster in any actual setting where evidence is collected and determined valid.

Warden Ult = Superior AoE healing, it is like a BoL+Healing Springs in one and depending on which morph, features a different playstyle (one allows you to spam a lot and the other allows group members to leave the area + more healing). While the Ult is up you can also heal, which means two heals are going off.

If seed is in play that is Ult first hit heal+Ult regen+Seed+?Seed Synergy Regen (if a person pushes it).

If you play a Warden, you'll learn quickly Animal and Green want you to spam your ults. Again, this is a play style that's different and you can spam your ults on trash pulls as a Warden healer, especially if you throw in an animal companion skill down every once in awhile. I recommend Growing Swarm or use the Sta Beatle for Major Breach and Fracture.

The reason Wardens like to use their own skill lines is the passives are tied to them it's a flat 2% Increase in healing for an ability, so if you're running a whole bar it's 12% increase in over all healing. It increases your ability to regain Magicka (or Stamina), apply minor toughness, and possibly Major Mending.

Both classes have trade offs and bonuses (possibly -Warhorn etc), I've run as a DPS with a Warden Healer and I do not need or find the need for Shards if I get shroomed constantly.

Another thing everyone is neglecting is, the benefits of a Templar Healer is negated if a DPS Magplar (or even a Tank) is in play. It may shock some of you, but working as a team in a group and not solely self interested makes it smoother.

At my Templar 30k HPS is pretty usual numbers. Without BOL. Usually I didn't use this skill at all.
This number is accessible for any class, even for NB-healer (never seen one tho)
But.
Healer must not only heal, but support too.
Templar can throw shards - it's better for tanks. Can be altered with Healing orb, that as healer I prefer more, but I can choose, another classes - not.
Templar has huge AOE HOT at demand with cleanse at synergy. Can be altered somehow with PVP support skill
Templar has Repentance - this is extremely good thing for tanks. Can't be altered.
Templar resurrect players very fast.

What is Warden has for allies? Mass defense buff? And who need it?
DKs has it's own and using it constantly, the same with Sorcs and Templars. Even NB has it, but not using it too often (staminers, but mages has it with 100% uptime)

And doesn't matter if Wardens HPS is really bigger (that I doubt to) - if someone dies with 30k incoming heal per second, then he would die with 35k or 40k.
Doesn't matter how many skills you have for healing - you can use only 1 per second.

So for me Templar still the best healer.

robertbmilesb14_ESO wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)

That's what Enchanted Growth is for (on demand an heals pretty high), on top of being able to spam it while an Ult which is like Healing Springs is going off.

Enchanted Growth heals more and for less than the Shrooms.

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Gargis wrote: »

Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.

I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.

Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.

Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.

Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?

No no, man. I solo healed Normal AE trial and I did it primarily with Budding Seeds.

Take the Morph of Budding Seeds. Drop it, let it sit, if none is taking burst damage let its time expire and then drop another.

When the boss are doing their AE burst damage on the raid, you can activate the bloom by pressing the ability again. You do not have to wait on the timer to expire. Cast it over and over and it does massive burst AE healing.

When your magica starts to get low, pop your heal ult. Back bar your buffs including betty and your good to go again.

Caveat: The raid has to be close enough together to be in the circle of the heal, but its big enough to get the job done.

Well I solo healed a normal trial once with my magsorc DD with a restro staff. We were like "there's no healer lol", and I was like "it's fine let me get my restro staff" and it worked.

You can't use your healing ult in vet trial environment, because healers have to run warhorn. As I have said in the previous post, as a healer you should spam spring, not seed. BoL and Seed are two different abilities which serve two different purposes. BoL is an emergency heal when someone is out of position, seed is used along side with spring to boost HPS and occasionally burst heal (if everyone is in position), but mostly to improve HPS. Seed is also much harder to use.

Sure, If I was not the only healer in that Trial I agree. But solo, you have to do what you must to keep ppl up. And no, you don't have to do anything.

And you are missing the point. Wardens Seeds is so good that you don't have to spam springs. You cast it and wait, activate when you need and repeat. Temps have to spam Springs because its a weak spell and they need to get some crits on it. That is not the case with Seeds.

As a warden you cast Springs then seeds and wait.. Temp, you are just about required to spam Springs because that and ritual on top of it is so weak you have to spam.

Go play a Warden and test out Seeds. Its a far better heal that Springs and almost rivals BOL, yet it is AE. The point is that Spring and Seeds is better burst healing compared to Springs and Ritual.

Have you healed a vet trial with seed spamming? The thing is, what you do in a normal trial doesn't translate into vet trial environment. People have been tanking normal trials in medium armour, but it doesn't translate well into vet trials.

The Warden healer in my raid group also spams spring.

No it was a normal trial, and by no means did I have my Warden up to "snuff" for end game content. I only joined a raid with that toon as a last resort to fill a healing spot. I sported Sanctuary/Kaegs and willpower jewelry.

Since it was a normal trial and there was a Healing Templar in grp already, I figured, what the hell, give the Warden a try. Normally, I go in trial with my temp. I was surprised at the effectiveness of the AE healing, but kind of had an idea since I already did dungeons on it.

On my Temp I do like everyone else, drop Ritual, spam HS and use HOD for burst. A quarter through the raid the other healer LD''d and was gone and I was solo from there. On the boss fights it was just as I described and it worked out. The Warden is a better AE healer than the Temp, no doubt. Albeit, everyone has to be stacked.

Seed spamming might not work in vet trial though, the Warden healer in my raid group still needs to spam spring, he includes seed in his rotation, so basically 3 spring 1 seed or something similar to boost the overall HPS and occasionally burst heal.

I find that spring spamming is enough for to keep everyone's healthy, seed is kind of situational, don't get me wrong, it's nice, but in term of burst AOE heal, I find that BoL is still better because burst heal is only needed for emergency, and if you need emergency heal, there's a high chance that people are out of position or the tank is so close death (tanking Warrior or eating manticore's popcorn), you have to make sure to always keep the seed up all the time and it's kinda complex because the duration is 6 seconds only, and if it runs out, you have to 2-tap it for flash heal because the heal is delayed, it's the thing that one second late (1s global cooldown) might be devastating for the tank who is dying to warrior or is eating manticore's popcorn.

But hey, if it works for your playstyle, it's great ^^

This is called Anecdotal evidence and would never past muster in any actual setting where evidence is collected and determined valid.

Warden Ult = Superior AoE healing, it is like a BoL+Healing Springs in one and depending on which morph, features a different playstyle (one allows you to spam a lot and the other allows group members to leave the area + more healing). While the Ult is up you can also heal, which means two heals are going off.

If seed is in play that is Ult first hit heal+Ult regen+Seed+?Seed Synergy Regen (if a person pushes it).

If you play a Warden, you'll learn quickly Animal and Green want you to spam your ults. Again, this is a play style that's different and you can spam your ults on trash pulls as a Warden healer, especially if you throw in an animal companion skill down every once in awhile. I recommend Growing Swarm or use the Sta Beatle for Major Breach and Fracture.

The reason Wardens like to use their own skill lines is the passives are tied to them it's a flat 2% Increase in healing for an ability, so if you're running a whole bar it's 12% increase in over all healing. It increases your ability to regain Magicka (or Stamina), apply minor toughness, and possibly Major Mending.

Both classes have trade offs and bonuses (possibly -Warhorn etc), I've run as a DPS with a Warden Healer and I do not need or find the need for Shards if I get shroomed constantly.

Another thing everyone is neglecting is, the benefits of a Templar Healer is negated if a DPS Magplar (or even a Tank) is in play. It may shock some of you, but working as a team in a group and not solely self interested makes it smoother.

You can't use the healing ult in vet trial because healers are in the warhorn rotation. Your responsibility is to blow warhorn, along with the tank and the off-tank. This is how most groups setup, of course you can have your own group composition where the healers use healing ults and the 4 DDs are responsible for warhorn, it will reduce your group DPS overall but if that's a trade-off you are willing to make, by all means, go for it. It's just a matter of group composition.

I do play a Warden tank, and a stamWD PvP, in fact Warden is my favourite class, although I am not interested in playing a Warden healer or any healer for that matter, I main tank so I am very interested in learning about healing mechanics, as healers are basically my sla.. i mean saviors, their performance determines my own performance. Tanks and healers are the pillar of the raid group, so the better we work together the more successful the raid group can be. I talk a lot with healers in my raid group, and I am very interested in learning about how Warden can be better at burst healing than Templar because from my experience and from talking with healers in my raid group it doesn't seem to be the case, as I have explained above, from main tank POV.

I have stated very clearly, "non-Templar healers are in a good spot and each class can offer something unique, which i like a lot. There has never been a better patch for healers.". I strongly believes that Warden healers are very good, we have one in our own raid group ourselves, I am just skeptical about the burst healing thing. Somehow some people think I am some kind of Warden haters, this gives me some serious PTSD about how some people kept flaming me for "hating on Templar healers" because I strongly supported the current orb change.

exeeter702 wrote: »

Eshja wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Draqone wrote: »

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

Warden + NB is better for vet HoF.

Wow, it's nice to read something like this, I usually only hear that nb are okay healers, but being recommended with wardens? I hope it's true and more people will think like that!

And, honestly, that's even weird to me, when so many people don't think templar is best and it's over. Looks like future of healers won't be just in dazzingly yellow colors .

Oh I assure you the future is still bleak unfortunately. The first 2 group that did vet HoF on live decided to not bother with running non Templar healers and everything below that is just going to follow suit.

We did try warden + templar in pts but had way better healing with 2 templars

War horn as one ult and Enchanted Forest as the other folks... there's two bars.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Cool, but you need warhorn.

Understood ... and I do run Warhorn on my Templar in trials.

However, my statement was intentionally broad ... covering both PvE and PvP playstyles because I participate in both.

War horn and Enchanted Forest... there's two bars for two ults people. One morph is designed to give ult back for a reason.

My assessment are of the most resistant comments to Warden healers is basically this, not really accepting of change which is normal. But keep on at it, they'll buff the Warden's healing or add some buffs to their heals eventually.

@TotallyNotVos Why do you like Warden healers? They don't offer anything to the group that Templars don't have and they don't even have a proper burst heal. Most of their buffs are redundant.
Literally the only thing I see in a Warden healer is Master Architect + Healing ult. And even that can be done by a Templar with Light's Champion (slightly more expensive but also gives Major Force and Protection) if really needed.