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How do you like having warden healer in party?
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Chew_Magna✭✭✭I have two warden healers, stam and mag (pve only, both lvl 50 cp 447 as of last night). Mag for the most part feels the same as my templar, just with an aimed burst heal. 99% of my healing is still healing springs on that char just because the skill is op.
My stam healer is infinitely more fun to play. A lot more interactive, but it lacks basically all the utility of a mag healer because of lack of medium healing sets. So instead I run boss debuffing sets and skills. I actually burst heal for far more on stam, easily throwing out 20k+ heals on the whole group at once. Lotus as a melee healer is amazing, free 9k+ heals just for attacking.0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭I guess it's time when not every warden is noob, I'm sure good healers now know how to heal really good with this class, so it's good moment to ask about them.
So how do you guys feel with warden healer in your party? Do you feel it's worse or better than other classes? How about your resource restoring? Any other advantages of warden which other classes don't have? Do you find their skills useful? How are they on pvp?
Also, what do you think about opinions that new trial meta will be templar and warden as healers? Possible?
If there are any wardens healers, feel free to tell us what you feel about healing with warden, if it's nice for you and how is your magicka during the fight?
Unfortunately, the only warden healer I met had 17 level so I couldn't feel it
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I run a PvP warden healer, and really like it. More fun to play for me than Templar, and the sustain is great. With a bit of consideration for resource recovery in your build, and the netch, I don't think hangtime is a problem.
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apostate9✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.
I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.
I keep hearing "Templar's are much better". Why do you think that?
Because we have the #2 hof score and I quite like warden healers
I concur, templars are not qualitatively better at healing. I think people are just sticking up for what they already know/like.
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TheNuminous1✭✭✭✭✭
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Btw, my warden is now almost completed (beside I didn't think about best gear for him yet) and I was healing with it some time. I must say it's really a pleasure to use it! It has so many useful class skills, and it can keep Major and Minor Resolve and Ward so easily... It has really nice buffs. And I didn't have problems with magicka yet
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Have to test it on vtrials, when I'll collect some better gear!
@Eshja
Totaly agree, that's my problem, i love all the Warden's skills, useful, and cool looking, that's my problem, when i pug, sometimes, DPS is lacking, so i'm trying to come up with a DPS approach and some healing skill, but my dilema is what skill not to use since i love them all, i'm having a hard time to get ride of healing skills and buffs and ressources return since i love having lots of ressource,s so i'm having a hard time to drop Elemental drain, orbs and Mush, Growth... :P This mostly happens with pug, as when i'm doing stuff with friends, the DPS is more than enough, so i go healer/buffer/ressource manager, only dps i do is Wall of elements and heavy attacking, but yet the heavy attack are more to get ressources back and buffs and benefits from heavy attacks... i just love healing with it, but yet scares to try healing a trial with it, not because i don'T have confidence on my skills or my character, but because the guild i run with is really casual for most player, so DPS is average and lots of them are having issues with mechanics as to get out of red circles and such. SO for now i heal with my templar, but i think next time i'll give a try with my Warden. The only thing the Warden is missing, is to be able to use the Savage Hunt crates transformation which only transform as a druid looking like the mount, for only a few seconds 
I feel the pain. Its such a good support healer you don't wanna run any dps cause you don't want to lose a thing.
So I don't. I let the dps do their job and I do mine. Of they can't kill everything quick enough I tend to leave.
Or just do it with friends.
And now that I maxed it I've don't vet trials normal trials vet dungeons normal dungeons everything I can cause its so damn fun 0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.
I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.
Basically every single thing you just said here is objectively wrong.
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Surak73✭✭✭✭✭My friend told me that he saw a warden using whis skill on guy riding a max speed horse, so that is interesting way to travel
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Hey, that was me! With my horse still to be trained, nature's grasp is the most convenient way of travelling in Cyrodiil...
And in battle it's a great skill as well, with the morph which heals both you and the target.3 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a vet trial main tank, I prefer Templar healers. Non-Templar healers can do well this patch, but Templar healers are still performing extremely well. I feel less pressured because shard is easier to catch (i hate catching orbs lol), and if I mess up I can just scream "FLASH" in TS (or "SAVE ME MY SLAVE" in non-tryhard runs) and the Templar healer can erase my mistake out of existence. Other than that non-Templar healers are in a good spot and each class can offer something unique, which i like a lot. There has never been a better patch for healers.
As a PvPer, I prefer a Templar healbot. Dude can tank 10 people while keeping my health at 100% all the time.Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 28, 2017 4:24PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
Gargis✭✭✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.0 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was curious to read what other people were saying about wardens.
All I can say is that last week I was in a 4-man dungeon, and a warden healer was rocking my socks off. Kept the whole party alive just fine, and did great.0 -
Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭If both healers are of the same ability then i'd prefer a Templar. However being a Templar healer doesn't guarantee you will be good so if it's a choice between a bad templar healer and a good warden healer then ofc i'd prefer a warden healer.GM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU0 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)2 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭My friend told me that he saw a warden using whis skill on guy riding a max speed horse, so that is interesting way to travel.
Hey, that was me! With my horse still to be trained, nature's grasp is the most convenient way of travelling in Cyrodiil...
And in battle it's a great skill as well, with the morph which heals both you and the target.
I admit, I do that all the time. My new horse isn't at 60 yet, and I can pull along faster than ride. :-)
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✭✭✭✭✭i love the warden buffs, and the "new class" type feel of a new type class nearby makes eso feel more alive and stuff.
all good!0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
So what you're saying is...you were unaware that warden healers have a a couple of great burst heals? I woulda led with that, admitting your ignorance of the class would have been more honest than making up class deficiencies that don't exist.
Edited by apostate9 on June 28, 2017 4:41PM1 -
TheNuminous1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)
Excuse me but warden is a better buff support
And its still a better healer then a templar.
ALL of its skills pretty much out HEAL the templars.
and it has more actual healing skills.1 -
Gargis✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
No no, man. I solo healed Normal AE trial and I did it primarily with Budding Seeds.
Take the Morph of Budding Seeds. Drop it, let it sit, if none is taking burst damage let its time expire and then drop another.
When the boss are doing their AE burst damage on the raid, you can activate the bloom by pressing the ability again. You do not have to wait on the timer to expire. Cast it over and over and it does massive burst AE healing.
When your magica starts to get low, pop your heal ult. Back bar your buffs including betty and your good to go again.
Caveat: The raid has to be close enough together to be in the circle of the heal, but its big enough to get the job done.0 -
Gargis✭✭✭Forgot to mention one thing. Budding seeds heals for much when you need it compared to Temps Ritual.
Ritual has its ticks and you have to hope to get crits to even compare to Budding seeds. But budding seeds is high burst on demad whereas Ritual is not.
I'll say it again, Warden is far better burst AE healing compared to a Temp, but that is really taken advantage of when your in pve where ppl are not all over the place. Pvp, I imagine not as viable.1 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
So what you're saying is...you were unaware that warden healers have a a couple of great burst heals? I woulda led with that, admitting your ignorance of the class would have been more honest than making up class deficiencies that don't exist.
Um no, I was asking what he meant by "burst AOE healing". Is spring considered "burst AOE healing"? Is the healing ult considered burst "burst AOE healing"? Is the delayed heal considered "burst AOE healing"? Or he just meant the warden's BoL? Because Warden's BoL is inferior compared to Templar's BoL, I failed to see how "Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp."
Have I made myself clear?Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
Gargis✭✭✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)
I disagree, Temps have BOL or Hornor the Dead as their best burst healing, and It will out heal a Warden on a single target.
However, the Wardens Budding seeds can be applied to a single player or many and you can spam it as well, you just have to make sure that you place the heal on the person you want.
Other than ritual and Luminous shards, Wardens are better healers. But Wardens can use orbs which is not as good as Shards but its close enough. So it comes down to Ritual as the main difference.0 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)
I disagree, Temps have BOL or Hornor the Dead as their best burst healing, and It will out heal a Warden on a single target.
However, the Wardens Budding seeds can be applied to a single player or many and you can spam it as well, you just have to make sure that you place the heal on the person you want.
Other than ritual and Luminous shards, Wardens are better healers. But Wardens can use orbs which is not as good as Shards but its close enough. So it comes down to Ritual as the main difference.
Well, two things.
Firstly, Templar healers don't spam BoL. Warden healers definitely don't spam seed. Every healer spams spring, Templar healer, DK healer, Sorc healer etc, they all spam spring. BoL is only used in emergency situation, as in the main tank needs flash heal or someone is out of the spring's range and is on low health. Seed does not serve this purpose, if someone is out of position (so, out of spring's range), he is also out of seed's range.
Secondly, as all healers spam spring, Templar healers excel at this particular task, because they have access to easy-to-get minor mending which they can easily keep 100% uptime. So, their HPS with spring spamming will be stronger than other classes.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've only run with 1 Warden healer, but several times. I didn't have any issues at all, but she's a great healer so it was to be expected. She says it's a lot more fun than healing on a Templar. In fact, I don't recall seeing her on her Templar since she leveled her Warden.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
So what you're saying is...you were unaware that warden healers have a a couple of great burst heals? I woulda led with that, admitting your ignorance of the class would have been more honest than making up class deficiencies that don't exist.
Um no, I was asking what he meant by "burst AOE healing". Is spring considered "burst AOE healing"? Is the healing ult considered burst "burst AOE healing"? Is the delayed heal considered "burst AOE healing"? Or he just meant the warden's BoL? Because Warden's BoL is inferior compared to Templar's BoL, I failed to see how "Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp."
Have I made myself clear?
Yep. Crystal. It's clear you fail to see how Warden healers are far better burst AE healers than templars. Glad we agree the failure is yours.
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Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭exeeter702 wrote: »
Don't forget aoe hot that has a cleanse synergy, aoe magicka steal and group minor regen bonus, faster rez, minor sorcery for the group, minor fracture and breach or an aoe hot for tank and melee dps also does 20k dmg every 6 seconds.Edited by Brutusmax1mus on June 28, 2017 5:30PM0 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭I was soloing a dungeon and had A Warden healer start following me around. He/she healed and I killed things. It worked just fine except for the animations.Edited by Belegnole on June 28, 2017 5:32PM0 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
No no, man. I solo healed Normal AE trial and I did it primarily with Budding Seeds.
Take the Morph of Budding Seeds. Drop it, let it sit, if none is taking burst damage let its time expire and then drop another.
When the boss are doing their AE burst damage on the raid, you can activate the bloom by pressing the ability again. You do not have to wait on the timer to expire. Cast it over and over and it does massive burst AE healing.
When your magica starts to get low, pop your heal ult. Back bar your buffs including betty and your good to go again.
Caveat: The raid has to be close enough together to be in the circle of the heal, but its big enough to get the job done.
Well I solo healed a normal trial once with my magsorc DD with a restro staff. We were like "there's no healer lol", and I was like "it's fine let me get my restro staff" and it worked.
You can't use your healing ult in vet trial environment, because healers have to run warhorn. As I have said in the previous post, as a healer you should spam spring, not seed. BoL and Seed are two different abilities which serve two different purposes. BoL is an emergency heal when someone is out of position, seed is used along side with spring to boost HPS and occasionally burst heal (if everyone is in position), but mostly to improve HPS. Seed is also much harder to use.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm nope. What do you mean by "burst AOE healing"? You mean spring spamming? Or what is that?
So what you're saying is...you were unaware that warden healers have a a couple of great burst heals? I woulda led with that, admitting your ignorance of the class would have been more honest than making up class deficiencies that don't exist.
Um no, I was asking what he meant by "burst AOE healing". Is spring considered "burst AOE healing"? Is the healing ult considered burst "burst AOE healing"? Is the delayed heal considered "burst AOE healing"? Or he just meant the warden's BoL? Because Warden's BoL is inferior compared to Templar's BoL, I failed to see how "Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp."
Have I made myself clear?
Yep. Crystal. It's clear you fail to see how Warden healers are far better bust AE healers than templars. Glad we agree the failure is yours.
Because they are not better burst AOE healers than Templars. Unless you can prove otherwise, which you haven't. I take it you just want to trash-talk.Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 28, 2017 5:43PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
Gargis✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Warden healers are far better burst AE healing compared to Temp.
I play both, and the Warden is a better healer overall.
Luminous Shards and Cleanse is the only thing that Temps have over Wardens.
Even w/o the nerf to BOL Wardens are better.
Umm, no...warden is NOT a better overall healer. Warden IS a better overall support class offering defense buffs, regen buff, etc in ADDITION to healing...but will be outhealed by a templar every time, because a healer can heal exactly when they need too instead of waiting for the warden's delayed AoE heal to pop(AKA ritual is better than the warden's AoE heal, even if it heals for less)
I disagree, Temps have BOL or Hornor the Dead as their best burst healing, and It will out heal a Warden on a single target.
However, the Wardens Budding seeds can be applied to a single player or many and you can spam it as well, you just have to make sure that you place the heal on the person you want.
Other than ritual and Luminous shards, Wardens are better healers. But Wardens can use orbs which is not as good as Shards but its close enough. So it comes down to Ritual as the main difference.
Well, two things.
Firstly, Templar healers don't spam BoL. Warden healers definitely don't spam seed. Every healer spams spring, Templar healer, DK healer, Sorc healer etc, they all spam spring. BoL is only used in emergency situation, as in the main tank needs flash heal or someone is out of the spring's range and is on low health. Seed does not serve this purpose, if someone is out of position (so, out of spring's range), he is also out of seed's range.
Secondly, as all healers spam spring, Templar healers excel at this particular task, because they have access to easy-to-get minor mending which they can easily keep 100% uptime. So, their HPS with spring spamming will be stronger than other classes.
Sure , temps Springs will be stronger, but that is a moot point. For the same AE, a Warder does not need to spam Springs, they can put down one.....and wait for it......Seeds once and wait.....then activate when they need, so more the just theory, in practice, Wardens are better AE healer than templars will ever be.0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »
Don't forget aoe hot that has a cleanse synergy, aoe magicka steal and group minor regen bonus, faster rez, minor sorcery for the group, minor fracture and breach or an aoe hot for tank and melee dps also does 20k dmg every 6 seconds.
Sounds almost as good as an AOE defile, an AOE buff that grants Major Resolve and Major Ward, a means to convert heavy attacks into heals for the team, a reliable Major Mending mechanic, a healing gap closer, an AOE healing ult that costs less than a stick of gum, and a spammable AOE burst heal that gives 10% exta stamina and magicka regen.
Almost.
Edited by apostate9 on June 28, 2017 5:39PM1