They need to add 2 BG pools (similar to vet and normal dungeons): CP and Non-CP
And let everyone around would decide for himself: where he wants to play.

As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS is trying to make all pvp non cp as a way to draw new player in.

Treating the game real end-game as a sales feature to new players is breaking the game.

That's not a smart way to bring in new players . Instantly death from proc sets and poison usually has the opposite effect .

@Rohamad_Ali

Truth is procs are ZOS's way of "raising the floor." I don't see them going away anytime soon.

The irony is Procs in CP are not a problem. But procs in no-cp ruins the game for new players and vet players alike. ...

Every platform deserves the same respect xbox got with the extra CP 1-week camp. Instead we get herded into no CP camps so johny-2week can not feel to overwhelmed with the cp system.

WTB CP Battlegrounds $_$

Cheers!

Is it the truth that procs are ZOS' way of raising the floor? Did they say that? Doesn't make much sense when veteran players use them against new players - has me scratching my head.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Like i said non cp is a joke and every non cp build is viper selenes.. and with no cp its hard to mitigate so much damage.

How bout you give us this new game mode we payed 40$ WITH CP in it..

As a CP 830 why on earth would i want to play a game mode where all cp is removed and my sets are useless since 90% of the game CP is included.

Who came up with the idea to not give the option to use CP in BG lol come on ..

And btw i made a similar thread before and everyone bashed me saying non cp is more balanced..

not a joke, stuck my head in the other day and every single death recap featured multiple VIPERS from various zerg parties.

When you just look at sets like VIPERS and SELENE on paper you can see just how wrong it is... should have never made it to production.

Oh well, like roids in baseketballz, I guess I'll just put on my VIPERS and SELENE an go hunting

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.

I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.

Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?

It was both, but most lag. Obviously a CP 100 even with the same gear as a CP630 is at a disadvantage due to the CP points that can be spent.

ZOS did confirm that the removal of CP during their performance test week made very little difference. Lag on campaigns has nothing to do with CP or non CP.. I have been playing Kyne (non cp below lvl 50), leveling new players and even with populations at 1 bar or less, as soon as there are 30-40 players fighting at the flags in a keep, there is lag.

And on console, maybe just indicative of the type of player that chooses console over PC, non CP campaigns are always the least used, even when there are large queues for Vivec. People earn their CP and want to use them, or get used to playing with them and find it hard to adapt without them.

And what I mean by the type of player, as I am one, is someone who turns on the console, puts in a disc and wants to start playing - rather than youtubing how to play videos, looking up what everyone else does and googling best builds.

disintegr8 wrote: »

ZOS did confirm that the removal of CP during their performance test week made very little difference. Lag on campaigns has nothing to do with CP or non CP.. I have been playing Kyne (non cp below lvl 50), leveling new players and even with populations at 1 bar or less, as soon as there are 30-40 players fighting at the flags in a keep, there is lag.

And on console, maybe just indicative of the type of player that chooses console over PC, non CP campaigns are always the least used, even when there are large queues for Vivec. People earn their CP and want to use them, or get used to playing with them and find it hard to adapt without them.

And what I mean by the type of player, as I am one, is someone who turns on the console, puts in a disc and wants to start playing - rather than youtubing how to play videos, looking up what everyone else does and googling best builds.

The bolded portion I believe a significant factor as to why people aren't playing in non CP. But not because of having to look up better ways to play, rather because the CP maps are full. I love non CP, I have played a lot of BG's, however I don't like spending an hour in a non CP map to encounter 15 total other players 10 of which are on another alliance running in a group and roll over me.

I'd much rather start my que while knocking out dailies, than enter Cyrodiil instantly and spend an hour looking for a single fight that most likely I'm going to lose because I didn't bring my 10 guildies. Several of my guildies wanted to do non CP, but came back with the same reasoning: "There's no one in there to fight".

Even in capped campaigns there are often dead times where you spend 15min running between keeps looking for a decent fight. Cyrodiil is way to large to be interesting without the campaign being capped. Playing horse simulator 1000 from Keep to Keep because there isn't anyone to fight, isn't interesting or fun.

Non cp is more balanced and makes for better game play in pvp. I'm very happy they did not include cp in BG, it would've only ruined it. CP belongs in pve, it's just a crutch in pvp for those lacking the skill to play without it.

I vote for CPless campaigns.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Non cp is more balanced and makes for better game play in pvp. I'm very happy they did not include cp in BG, it would've only ruined it. CP belongs in pve, it's just a crutch in pvp for those lacking the skill to play without it.

I see it as the other way around since all u gotta do is wear a full damage burst build and you good to go.. all the good players know this

Don't argue, if I start replying to every post like this I would drive crazy, most of them are people without max cp, zergers or proctards.

Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.

Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.