Would Minor Vulnerability via Concussion Result in the Sorcs Parse Gap?

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

This has just been gnawing at me for a while, But I have no idea how much the minor vulnerability proc impacts sorcs. Does it cause them on average to deal higher single target damage than if they were to use a fire staff?

s7732425ub17_ESO · June 2017

It's very significant.

On my Warden, the minor vuln uptime is around 10% on target skele. On my Sorc (which uses a lightning staff back bar, fire staff front bar), it's >70% usually. Everything in a Sorc's arsenal procs it- Liquid Lighting, Ilambris, Fury, Storm, Crushing Shock. Pretty much nothing on Warden procs it. This is a free few thousand DPS for Sorcs just due to how the entire class is based around shock damage.

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's very significant.

On my Warden, the minor vuln uptime is around 10% on target skele. On my Sorc (which uses a lightning staff back bar, fire staff front bar), it's >70% usually. Everything in a Sorc's arsenal procs it- Liquid Lighting, Ilambris, Fury, Storm, Crushing Shock. Pretty much nothing on Warden procs it. This is a free few thousand DPS for Sorcs just due to how the entire class is based around shock damage.

Do you think that's balanced? With Flame being the whole single target thing, should Concussion increase the single target damage of an enemy? Or do something like a small AoE damage burst, further amplifying its identity as an AoE damage type?

dpencil1 · June 2017

Minor Vulnerability debuffs the mob, so in a group setting everyone benefits from the effect. The only place Sorc would be unequally balanced in terms of Vulnerability uptime against the other classes is in solo skeleton parses, and there, other classes have buffs that Sorcs don't have access to. Like, is it Minor Savagery that gives the player 8% more damage? That's basically the same as Minor Vulnerability, just a buff for the player instead of a debuff to the mob.

It all balances out in the wash, I think. And in group settings, everyone benefits from what each class brings to the table.

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

dpencil1 wrote: »

Minor Vulnerability debuffs the mob, so in a group setting everyone benefits from the effect. The only place Sorc would be unequally balanced in terms of Vulnerability uptime against the other classes is in solo skeleton parses, and there, other classes have buffs that Sorcs don't have access to. Like, is it Minor Savagery that gives the player 8% more damage? That's basically the same as Minor Vulnerability, just a buff for the player instead of a debuff to the mob.

It all balances out in the wash, I think. And in group settings, everyone benefits from what each class brings to the table.

True, however you're able to obtain Minor Berserk (8% Damage bonus) via combat prayer in a group setting as well. Sorcs got the bonus of minor Sorcery, whereas NB's have the bonus of Minor Savagery (Weapon Crit Bonus) and the easy access to Minor Berserk. While Minor Vulnerability in a group setting will even out the classes, in solo or small group content to me it seems a little... Out of place. AoE focused damage increasing Single Target Damage.