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MissDismal
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$80 on crown crates and not a single mount or something other than *** apparel items

So far its all been consumables like the poisons, and then I got enough to mimic stones for 33 crown gems, and then like 5 nix hounds, and for whatever reason, I kept getting the dwarf-style brow shields. YA I got the breton hero armor I wanted but *** its not worth $80.

and before anyone says "if you dont like it dont buy" thing is I LIKE the content in the crown crates and I'm willing to buy, I'm just asking for a little bit of pay out for the money I'm spending you know????

Anyway I'm blaming Zenimax for *** up the rng just so they get more money.
  • NyassaV
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    ZoS loves RNG in general, I hope they use the money from crown crates to make a token system. Or just remove bind on pick up and let gold be the token system
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Yes they did it to get more money and unfortunately that is how it goes . It really is best to avoid them or if you don't get what you want after one purchase avoid making a second . I would wish you luck but I don't want you to gamble anymore on ZoS .
  • SydneyGrey
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    MissDismal wrote: »
    I don't think that justifies anything x'D the rng for the storm and wild hunt crates were so much more balanced, I had nothing to complain about. This season has been terrible...I just want one mount man. :s
    Actually, I had a LOT worse luck with Wild Hunt crates. I've had great luck with the Dwarven.

  • Trinity_Is_My_Name
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    Yeah, the odds are not in the consumer's favor.
  • MissDismal
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    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    MissDismal wrote: »
    I don't think that justifies anything x'D the rng for the storm and wild hunt crates were so much more balanced, I had nothing to complain about. This season has been terrible...I just want one mount man. :s
    Actually, I had a LOT worse luck with Wild Hunt crates. I've had great luck with the Dwarven.

    Please senpai give me your luck. :'T
  • Ferro1gnique
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    I don't like any kind of gambling. The only reason I've obtained 15 crown crates was 5k crowns left from my ESO+ after buying Hearthfire Kagouti and I like Ordinator Night-Raid Armor. I have now 40 gems (nix-hound 3 times), 2 hats, 4 costumes (including Night-Raid Armor), Pale Velothi Guar and Ebon Dwarven Senche. Am I happy? - Yep! Will I spent my money for more crown crates? - Nope! Only ESO+ and certain items from crown store.
  • Queo
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    For the people who keep saying, "Stop telling people thats its gambling", no you stop. IT IS GAMBLING. Frankly, I'm glad that ZoS can make money this way. As long as people are willing to gamble, or spend money on houses they wont feel the need, the urge to make sh!#* like uber drop gears that needs a 50 dollar CS item that has to be unlocked. You have rotten luck with the RNG, so what, get over it. You made a choice to gamble for something and it didn't work out. its like going to a raffle and buying tickets and not winning. Are you going to go up and say I bought 100 bucks worth of tickets and I didnt get that ridding lawn mower, its rigged you guys screwed up! No.
  • Dragath
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    it is gambling, but very costly gambling.
    there should be a Crown Crate Package with X amount of Crown Crates with one guaranteed Mount for $60.
    i think that would be enough incentive for a lot of players to buy one of these, if they know they get a mount but don't like gambling in general and it would satisfy the players that already spend a lot of money on crown crates, knowing $120 are potentially 3 mounts (2x Crown Crates and 1x in Crown Gems for all the sold items).
  • Hanokihs
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    Queo wrote: »
    For the people who keep saying, "Stop telling people thats its gambling", no you stop. IT IS GAMBLING. Frankly, I'm glad that ZoS can make money this way. As long as people are willing to gamble, or spend money on houses they wont feel the need, the urge to make sh!#* like uber drop gears that needs a 50 dollar CS item that has to be unlocked. You have rotten luck with the RNG, so what, get over it. You made a choice to gamble for something and it didn't work out. its like going to a raffle and buying tickets and not winning. Are you going to go up and say I bought 100 bucks worth of tickets and I didnt get that ridding lawn mower, its rigged you guys screwed up! No.

    That's not a great analogy; obviously, raffles are based on finite items, and the odds of winning one decrease based on how many people enter to win. The crates aren't raffles or lotteries.

    Additionally, everyone knows what the definition of "gamble" is. However. Not being guaranteed a specific reward isn't the same as being unfairly denied a specific reward. If you have a 10% chance of winning, a 1% chance, a 0.1% chance, and a 0.01% or 0.001% chance, they're all gambles, but they definitely don't all have the same potential to anger or annoy the people putting their money on the line.

    This is the point being made. Maybe they should increase the chances of winning something worthwhile so it feels like less of a rip-off.
  • Stopnaggin
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    Queo wrote: »
    For the people who keep saying, "Stop telling people thats its gambling", no you stop. IT IS GAMBLING. Frankly, I'm glad that ZoS can make money this way. As long as people are willing to gamble, or spend money on houses they wont feel the need, the urge to make sh!#* like uber drop gears that needs a 50 dollar CS item that has to be unlocked. You have rotten luck with the RNG, so what, get over it. You made a choice to gamble for something and it didn't work out. its like going to a raffle and buying tickets and not winning. Are you going to go up and say I bought 100 bucks worth of tickets and I didnt get that ridding lawn mower, its rigged you guys screwed up! No.

    Nope, sure wouldnt, because if I bought tickets to a raffle I would assume it's above boards. If I found out they weighted the raffle then yes I would complain. We're not talking about gambling per se, but the fact that they changed the gamble mid stream. As a consumer that has bought crates, I can complain when they change the odds. At least when I got to a casino they aren't rigging the machine once I started playing.
  • ProfesseurFreder
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    Hanokihs wrote: »
    $80 is a lot of money but you are gambling. That is how it kinda works.

    Everyone knows it's a gamble; you guys don't have to keep saying that. All people are suggesting is that the odds improve a little in our favor, especially considering the crates seem much more stacked against us than before.

    That's like going to the mob in Las Vegas and saying "You should make it easier for me to win and give me better value for my money." They'd laugh you right out of the casino.
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  • FlyLionel
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    Had 15k crowns laying around from the sale so I wanted to test this crate stuff out and didn't get a mount, bummer but it's RNG.
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  • Cadbury
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    For me personally, when it comes to buying any Crown Crates, I always follow my man Kenny's advice




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  • The_Lex
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    For me personally, when it comes to buying any Crown Crates, I always follow my man Kenny's advice




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  • Hanokihs
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    Hanokihs wrote: »
    $80 is a lot of money but you are gambling. That is how it kinda works.

    Everyone knows it's a gamble; you guys don't have to keep saying that. All people are suggesting is that the odds improve a little in our favor, especially considering the crates seem much more stacked against us than before.

    That's like going to the mob in Las Vegas and saying "You should make it easier for me to win and give me better value for my money." They'd laugh you right out of the casino.

    Obviously, because money = money.
    Pixels =/= money. So this is also a bad example.
  • Jayne_Doe
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    Hanokihs wrote: »
    Hanokihs wrote: »
    $80 is a lot of money but you are gambling. That is how it kinda works.

    Everyone knows it's a gamble; you guys don't have to keep saying that. All people are suggesting is that the odds improve a little in our favor, especially considering the crates seem much more stacked against us than before.

    That's like going to the mob in Las Vegas and saying "You should make it easier for me to win and give me better value for my money." They'd laugh you right out of the casino.

    Obviously, because money = money.
    Pixels =/= money. So this is also a bad example.

    How is that a bad example? The point is that you're arguing for improved odds - that the "reward" is different is irrelevant.

    Also, at least one person on here has said that they had better luck with this season than the previous season. Also, someone else mentioned getting 2 mounts out of 15 crates - one of them one of the ultra mounts. I also saw a post on the crate announcement thread from someone who got one of the ultra mounts from his free crate.

    Seems to me that people just aren't having the same luck as previous seasons, though other people are having better luck. So, it doesn't necessarily mean that they've lowered the drop rate. It may simply be that you're having worse luck than before.
    Edited by Jayne_Doe on June 27, 2017 6:10PM
  • Hanokihs
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    Jayne_Doe wrote: »
    Hanokihs wrote: »
    Hanokihs wrote: »
    $80 is a lot of money but you are gambling. That is how it kinda works.

    Everyone knows it's a gamble; you guys don't have to keep saying that. All people are suggesting is that the odds improve a little in our favor, especially considering the crates seem much more stacked against us than before.

    That's like going to the mob in Las Vegas and saying "You should make it easier for me to win and give me better value for my money." They'd laugh you right out of the casino.

    Obviously, because money = money.
    Pixels =/= money. So this is also a bad example.

    How is that a bad example? The point is that you're arguing for improved odds - that the "reward" is different is irrelevant.

    Also, at least one person on here has said that they had better luck with this season than the previous season. Also, someone else mentioned getting 2 mounts out of 15 crates - one of them one of the ultra mounts. I also saw a post on the crate announcement thread from someone who got one of the ultra mounts from his free crate.

    Seems to me that people just aren't having the same luck as previous seasons, though other people are having better luck. So, it doesn't necessarily mean that they've lowered the drop rate. It may simply be that you're having worse luck than before.

    It's a bad example because ZOS has nothing to gain by making their odds impossible; casinos do, because duh, they're trying to turn a profit. Making the players feel bad about their investment, no matter how much of a gamble it is, is going to lose the company money in the long run. People will remember that it's gotten worse, or that they feel gypped, and will refrain from buying in the future.

    Some people do report better luck, but there seems to be a greater number of people who report worse luck. I'm disregarding anyone who's refused to buy into the system, and I'm also disregarding people who only opened their one free box. People who've bought the typical 4/8/15/30 crates that they always do are coming back with a lot of negativity, because this experience doesn't match up to what they've pulled in the past.

    A few people having worse luck doesn't necessarily equate to there being a problem; on the flip side, a few people having better luck doesn't necessarily equate to there not being a problem. I'm only basing my statements on the feedback I've seen. What I've seen is disproportionately negative.
  • Queo
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    Stopnaggin wrote: »
    Queo wrote: »
    For the people who keep saying, "Stop telling people thats its gambling", no you stop. IT IS GAMBLING. Frankly, I'm glad that ZoS can make money this way. As long as people are willing to gamble, or spend money on houses they wont feel the need, the urge to make sh!#* like uber drop gears that needs a 50 dollar CS item that has to be unlocked. You have rotten luck with the RNG, so what, get over it. You made a choice to gamble for something and it didn't work out. its like going to a raffle and buying tickets and not winning. Are you going to go up and say I bought 100 bucks worth of tickets and I didnt get that ridding lawn mower, its rigged you guys screwed up! No.

    Nope, sure wouldnt, because if I bought tickets to a raffle I would assume it's above boards. If I found out they weighted the raffle then yes I would complain. We're not talking about gambling per se, but the fact that they changed the gamble mid stream. As a consumer that has bought crates, I can complain when they change the odds. At least when I got to a casino they aren't rigging the machine once I started playing.

    Has there been an announcement? or is it "observed"? And by "mid stream" are you saying they changed the RNG right in the middle of you popping your crates, or between seasons? If its between seasons, new game new odds. How do you know that a change was made?

    Ever since i came back to the game half the people are in the camp of Crates suck, the other half are crates are fun. The bottom line is, IT IS gambling. You have no guarantees, you have no promises, no safety net. Even if they did change the RNG so what, its still a gamble. Now if there was a bug, as people suggested with the Nix hound (which i got in 2/4) then yes that should be discussed. Crying on the forum because you suspect that the RNG has been changed, which maybe it has as part of the game, is not being responsible for your actions. No in between each game they have no reason, or responsibility to tell you if they decide to change it or not. I suspect that they do tweak it a little as the popularity, or demand of the premium items in crease, why shouldn't they. Gambling by its very nature is always stacked in the houses favor, else why would they do it? If your going to Gamble the only way to do it properly is to calculate if the entertainment value is worth the amount of time you take to earn the money, NOT if any rewards offered is worth it. The only guarantee is you will pay money, It's simple.
  • Juhasow
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    Well it's pure RNG doesnt matter how many crates You'll buy. Dont expect that if You'll spend more moneys on crates chance to get better items will raise You'll alwas have the same chance to get something from single crate. Ok i get some people spended lot of money and got nothing and for example I got nice wolf mount from 2nd chest after buying 4 of them it's pure RNG.
    Atleast You have crown gems for recycling not needed items so You can buy Your luck by spending enough money.
  • Hanokihs
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    Queo wrote: »
    Now if there was a bug, as people suggested with the Nix hound (which i got in 2/4) then yes that should be discussed. Crying on the forum because you suspect that the RNG has been changed, which maybe it has as part of the game, is not being responsible for your actions.

    How is a bug any different, let alone better, than malice in terms of discussion? And you could stand to be less condescending.

    Once again, the issue isn't that there's a gamble. The issue is that the gamble is too heavy-handed and too skewed in the house's favor. Nobody here is expecting to win big with every box, but we're not expecting to lose big, either. It's a balancing issue, and needs to be addressed if they don't expect the Dwarven season to be the end of the line.

    When even your biggest defenders and the least frugal whales say there's a problem, maybe there's actually a problem.
  • dusk194
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    I'd love to see how this "i should win more when i gambel" argument goes over in Vegas. So it supposed to be different because its not in a cassino?
  • Hanokihs
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    dusk194 wrote: »
    I'd love to see how this "i should win more when i gambel" argument goes over in Vegas. So it supposed to be different because its not in a cassino?

    Well... Yeah. Read up a few posts; that's been addressed.
  • fyrestrtr88
    Honestly, I've probably spent a bit much on the crown crates, between last season and this season...I have the wild hunt senche and bear mounts, the doom wolf, the dwarven wolf, banded guar charger, dro-m'athra senche, green narsis guar, and the pale velothi guar. My favorite is the wild hunt senche. I'm currently trying for the special ebon dwarven senche and possibly the Adamat dwarven horse...I'd settle for one or the other though : )
  • Hanokihs
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    I'm currently trying for the special ebon dwarven senche and possibly the Adamat dwarven horse...I'd settle for one or the other though : )

    Same here, but I gave up on it after spending exactly too much money on the attempts; nothing unaffordable, but getting sad or angry every time I open a box isn't a good way to play. I got the vitrine wolf multiple times, and after #6, I took it as a sign to throw in the towel. Hopefully the ebon senche in particular comes back in some form later so I can have it, because I doubt it'll be a lucky pull from the free crates they're about to dish out.

    It really sucks, because I've always gotten the wolf, bear, horse, and senche mounts from the crates, but since I can't get the senche and horse for this one... So much for collecting. My pocket book is pretty firmly shut from now on because my collection will never be satisfactorily complete anymore, so unless something absolutely knocks my socks off... Oh well.
  • SirAndy
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    Hollery wrote: »
    ZoS loves RNG in general
    Except, 15 Nix Hounds out of 20 crates is *not* RNG, it's obviously heavily weighted towards certain items ...
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