So is this PVP?

NBrookus · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

One last question, I'm starting to wonder if the Warden is right for me for PVP, (could be getting slammed so hard not the class), should I stick out and get him to 160CP first then try other classes? Or just level another character to 50 and see how it is??

Warden was designed as a support class. There will be a few players that excel at solo and 1vX on Warden, but they will be few and far between. If you want to play support, you have picked a good class for it.

At this point, I'd say join a group in no CP and play support until you learn more about how Cyrodiil ticks and get an idea how the other classes play. Then you can decide if you want to stick at support or go dps, play solo or small group or large group, and make any changes you need to. If you start a new toon, your CP will carry over to the new one, so I'd suggest getting to CP160 before rolling a new toon.

Durham · June 2017

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pvp is not very good in this game at all.

At best a small group of 10 guys will bait a bunch of lower level, unorganized players into a pinch point and then abuse every exploit they can against them times Infiniti.

Always has been and always will be pvdoor.

At worst you will lag every 3 seconds get kicked and when you reboot the keep you were defending is now owned by another alliance.

But it could be a cult classic PVP game much like DAOC was and still is..... So much potential yet no resources given to it ....

ChunkyCat · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

ok good tips so far, also running Magick Warden unbuffed my hp is 16k with buff food, should I not be in light armour then?
And do I just enchant my gear with Health?

You exp guys remember when you are new and no guild with limited funds and access to stuff, just keep recommendations to that kinda criteria :-)

PC EU if that makes a difference.

If you want to survive longer than 3 seconds, then I would recommend you start your PvP experience in heavy armor with impenetrable trait. You can craft, or purchase craftable heavy armor that gives you good magicka stats. Just make sure the armor is all impenetrable. Trust me, it makes a difference.

That alone will increase your survival immensely, and if you need to, throw some magicka enchants on your heavy armor.

The rest is just having the experience of playing and knowing what most people do when you encounter them. It just takes practice.

Once you start getting the hang of it, then maybe you can go back and experiment with light or medium armor.

LegacyDM · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

This game has a huge learning curve. I've been playing since launch and still learning new things about skills, builds, stats, eq, mechanics, and so on. Being as you just hit 50 you probably don't have gold gear nor pvp experience in this game.

Contrary to the toxicity There's still a lot of nice people on the forums who love helping new people with build advice. My advice is look for a good guild and develop your own unique play style figuring out which skills work best for you. Play in the non cp campaign and practice with patience.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

CP 10-150 is literally the worst time to PvP.

Below 50, the scaling is forgiving as long as you upgrade your gear periodically, once you hit cp160, you can wear all at-level gear and a "complete" build.

Get to 160, gear up with an okay build (get everything purple quality and you are good enough to hang, for the most part) and try the noCP campaign! You are not going to start out killing a ton of people 1v1 or while outnumbered, but you'll be able to contribute and start to tweak the build to your satisfaction.

a1i3nz · June 2017

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pvp is not very good in this game at all.

At best a small group of 10 guys will bait a bunch of lower level, unorganized players into a pinch point and then abuse every exploit they can against them times Infiniti.

Always has been and always will be pvdoor.

At worst you will lag every 3 seconds get kicked and when you reboot the keep you were defending is now owned by another alliance.

This. Yes.

PvP is really only really fun when it's not prime time or in smaller campaigns (which are now gone!). Other than that it's no lifers running ball groups.

I would venture to say the no CP campaigns are probably better quality pvp for a beginner.

fred4 · June 2017

Mag warden is fine. I am tankier and do more damage on my light-armor mag warden than on my magblade. Stick with it. I don't agree warden is a support class. The damage potential is definitely there.

I agree with much of what's been said. The PvP learning curve is steep. CP50 is a bad place to be, scaling-wise, and so on. My recommendation would be to get your character to CP160 via PvE grinding, Undaunted quests, and so on. Then you can invest in some gear that will last you, and that you won't outlevel anymore. If you want to stick with light armor, buy Necropotence jewelry and 2 body pieces. Get someone to craft you another set, such as Shacklebreaker. Get one piece monster helm that gives you magicka or health. With Shacklebreaker you can experiment with different foods that gives you health / magicka, health / magicka / stamina, or health / magicka / magicka regen. Weapons should be gold quality, armor and jewelry need only be purple. Jewelry enchants should be gold. For a weapon enchant, a popular thing these days is the Oblivion damage rune.

As a light armor user you will probably want to run shields, e.g. Harness Magicka and/or Healing Ward, which you'll have to use every few seconds. Use a destro staff and resto staff. Pay attention to the passives when laying out your build. For example, I use:

Crushing Shock
Screaming Cliff Racer
Deep Fissure
Inner Light
Harness Magicka
Northern Storm

The reasons are as follows:

Deep Fissure -> Cliff Racer -> Crushing Shock, cast in that order, create a single burst of damage. Deep Fissure has a 3 second delay. Cliff Racer also has a delay. By the time you cast Crushing Shock all abilities hit your opponent together, which is hard for them to deal with.

You need a CC, something that will *** down / disable another player, that they need to break free from. This gives you breathing room and wastes their stamina. In this case that's Deep Fissure.

You need a destro ability on the bar to avail of the 8% Flame staff damage bonus. This is Crushing Shock, here.

Inner Light increases your magicka, as does Northern Storm. These two abilities go well with the Necropotence set.

I put Harness Magicka on this bar, since shields scale with magicka. Damage and shields both get buffed from Inner Light / Northern Storm.

Note that Cliff Racer heals you, due to a passive in that skill tree. Heals from your main spammable increase your survivability, so I would spam that, rather than Crushing Shock, when you're not doing the burst combo.

The other bar should have Healing Ward, Netch (to trigger Necropotence), and probably the Healing Thicket on it. The rest is up to you.

Needless to say, this is just one way to go. Some people like all the other warden healing abilities. I don't. I'm kind of describing a classic strategy for any magicka build, similar to a sorc or magblade.

Furthermore, make sure to fully level your alchemy, and avail of the Medicinal Use passive that prolongs potion uptime. Then get potions that include Immovability, so that you can't be knocked down for 15 seconds. I prefer the potion that combines Immovability, Detection and Magicka.

Finally, I highly recommend duelling. Duel against people of your own CP and experience level until you get better. Best thing to not get disheartened, and you'll begin to appreciate each class individually and how they fight.

Final, finally: Wizard's Riposte is an excellent defensive set that will make you quite tanky, while retaining the cost reduction and crit / penetration benefits of light armor.

Sustain · June 2017

fred4 wrote: »

Mag warden is fine. I am tankier and do more damage on my light-armor mag warden than on my magblade. Stick with it. I don't agree warden is a support class. The damage potential is definitely there.

I agree with much of what's been said. The PvP learning curve is steep. CP50 is a bad place to be, scaling-wise, and so on. My recommendation would be to get your character to CP160 via PvE grinding, Undaunted quests, and so on. Then you can invest in some gear that will last you, and that you won't outlevel anymore. If you want to stick with light armor, buy Necropotence jewelry and 2 body pieces. Get someone to craft you another set, such as Shacklebreaker. Get one piece monster helm that gives you magicka or health. With Shacklebreaker you can experiment with different foods that gives you health / magicka, health / magicka / stamina, or health / magicka / magicka regen. Weapons should be gold quality, armor and jewelry need only be purple. Jewelry enchants should be gold. For a weapon enchant, a popular thing these days is the Oblivion damage rune.

As a light armor user you will probably want to run shields, e.g. Harness Magicka and/or Healing Ward, which you'll have to use every few seconds. Use a destro staff and resto staff. Pay attention to the passives when laying out your build. For example, I use:

Crushing Shock
Screaming Cliff Racer
Deep Fissure
Inner Light
Harness Magicka
Northern Storm

The reasons are as follows:

Deep Fissure -> Cliff Racer -> Crushing Shock, cast in that order, create a single burst of damage. Deep Fissure has a 3 second delay. Cliff Racer also has a delay. By the time you cast Crushing Shock all abilities hit your opponent together, which is hard for them to deal with.

You need a CC, something that will *** down / disable another player, that they need to break free from. This gives you breathing room and wastes their stamina. In this case that's Deep Fissure.

You need a destro ability on the bar to avail of the 8% Flame staff damage bonus. This is Crushing Shock, here.

Inner Light increases your magicka, as does Northern Storm. These two abilities go well with the Necropotence set.

I put Harness Magicka on this bar, since shields scale with magicka. Damage and shields both get buffed from Inner Light / Northern Storm.

Note that Cliff Racer heals you, due to a passive in that skill tree. Heals from your main spammable increase your survivability, so I would spam that, rather than Crushing Shock, when you're not doing the burst combo.

The other bar should have Healing Ward, Netch (to trigger Necropotence), and probably the Healing Thicket on it. The rest is up to you.

Needless to say, this is just one way to go. Some people like all the other warden healing abilities. I don't. I'm kind of describing a classic strategy for any magicka build, similar to a sorc or magblade.

Furthermore, make sure to fully level your alchemy, and avail of the Medicinal Use passive that prolongs potion uptime. Then get potions that include Immovability, so that you can't be knocked down for 15 seconds. I prefer the potion that combines Immovability, Detection and Magicka.

Finally, I highly recommend duelling. Duel against people of your own CP and experience level until you get better. Best thing to not get disheartened, and you'll begin to appreciate each class individually and how they fight.

Final, finally: Wizard's Riposte is an excellent defensive set that will make you quite tanky, while retaining the cost reduction and crit / penetration benefits of light armor.

Legend thanks! Found a really sweet grind spot to level CP, have mostly Training gear and scrolls and gone from CP 53 to 93 just before maintenance.

I also agree in PVP think If I live passed the initial stun burst Magick Warden will be great, PVE... aoe is good but single target I find lacks, but then my group never wipes with all the ohh darn buttons Warden has for the group.

I shall revisit PVP when I hit 160cp, community on here has been great.

cokris · June 2017

Just a note about undaunted: if you do the daily pledges (which you should) make sure to NOT use the keys you get as a reward until you're cp160. You'll get to cp160 fast enough and to gamble keys on undaunted set pieces that will be lower than cp160 is just a waste imo.

And if you decide that warden is not your thing/that you want to try other chars, do it side by side. Have your warden geared for grinding so that you can keep working towards the cp cap while you play and lvl other chars on the side.

Gl and hf

Irylia · June 2017

You are extremely low cp at the moment.

Suggestions:
-Grind another toon and in that time you will reach 160 cp or do silver/gold cadwell quest lines (having access to zones will be nice later on)

-collect skyshards/lore books (two different addons that will show you where on the map they are located (pc))

-work on pledges to level your undaunted passive

-level up your skill lines and other trees for weapons/guilds

-look for basic build videos on yt for your class and begin to get an idea of what you want to run to fit your desired play style.

-play no cp pvp if and when you do

-try to join a pvp casual guild as they will help you learn basics. But remember that there will be a time when you learned what you can from them and have the option of striking out alone or making a small group with friends you've made. This change will be tough but allow you to learn and increase your play ability the most. Perhaps that isn't enjoyable for you and that's perfectly fine as well. The company is sometimes all people need when going into pvp and prefer larger raids for that excitement.

Don't be discouraged, I was once in your shoes and it initially turned me away from the game. Once I came back after watching yt montages from sypher and kr on sorc I spent the time thoroughly completing my character before entering cyrodiil as v1 and still understood that I'd be no match for players further along. Enjoy the game for what it is and the pvp will fall in place.

akray21 · June 2017

You need at least 300CP to be somewhat competitive in the CP campaign... And closer to 500CP to be able to 1v1 someone at 600+.

Gargis · June 2017

Don't waste your time with pvp in this game, it is exactly what you described. Trash!

Ever ask yourself why they have "one shot" mechanics in this game? Are the forums replete with complaints about server lag?

Now we just can't have a longer TTK because the server can't handle it. So therein lies the problem.

MurderMostFoul · June 2017

Get to CP160, get all CP160 gear (minimum purple quality, maybe blue an jewelry). Make sure you have one or two five piece set bonuses from your gear.

Then join BGs, you'll get lots of small scale experience w/o getting steamrolled by zergs.

You'll get better with practice.

Shadeaux · June 2017

I agree with the others. Your first priority is to get to CP 160, which will allow you to equip max gear.

Also, any new character you create will be able to spend those 160CP while leveling to 50, at which point THAT character would be also be able to equip 160CP gear, as your CP level is "shared" across characters (assuming you get to each to 50).

Once you have max gear, you can focus on upgrading the gear to gold (max level). Upgrading prior to 160 is kind of a waste.

Even without the kill shot, joining groups or following the zerg will allow you to accumulate alliance points, which levels your PvP Assault and Support skill lines (which have some important passives that will help you with healing and range).

It gets better :-)

fred4 · June 2017

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Then join BGs, you'll get lots of small scale experience w/o getting steamrolled by zergs.

Is this coming from someone who plays a lot of BG? In my experience you get absolutely annihilated in BG, and open world is much easier on the whole. In duelling you'll also find many good players, who'll annihilate you, but you can pick and choose duelling partners who you can grow together with.

Barbaran · June 2017

your only cp 47, you are squishy Af right now, you cant even use max cp gear yet, be prepared to die alot.
you need to build offensive and defensive rotations and learn to make a solid pvp build.
the build you used to level your first toon to 50 in Pve is not going to cut it. weve all been thete dude, practice and tweak

MurderMostFoul · June 2017

fred4 wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Then join BGs, you'll get lots of small scale experience w/o getting steamrolled by zergs.

Is this coming from someone who plays a lot of BG? In my experience you get absolutely annihilated in BG, and open world is much easier on the whole. In duelling you'll also find many good players, who'll annihilate you, but you can pick and choose duelling partners who you can grow together with.

Yeah, I play a lot of BGs.

And yes you will often get crushed. If you've got enough different people to duel, then I suppose that is an effective route to getting consistent practice. But dueling lacks a number of important PvP elements you'll find, and practice, in BGs:

1. Team play
2. Objectives
3. Rewards (not really for "practice," but getting a little something out of the time spent is nice)

Insanepirate01 · June 2017

I just recently started pvping even though I'm close to cp 630 and man is it fun. Done pretty much all you can do in PvE end game and figured I'd give PvP a real go 2 years later on my mag dk. Haven't had this much fun in game in awhile. Stick with it after a few good fights you'll be hooked. I've even stopped doing pledges now just to jump straight into cyrodil lol.

apostate9 · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

You don't know how to play PvP in ESO yet. It really is that simple. It's a different world, and running solo in it on your first day and derping about makes you nothing more than a bag of free AP. Find a guild, join some pugs, do some reading. You need to build for PvP, and learn how the skills work with/on real humans.

Also, consider the No CP campaign, so you are not at a stat disadvantage.

What alliance and platform are you playing?

QuebraRegra · June 2017

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

Don't worry ZOS nerfed steath damage, but left the stun in. ZOS is all about not allowing for counter play. Enjoy the mess.

The record of posts will show that I wanted ZOS to nerf the stun in PVP, and leave the damage, because of this very thing.

WROBEL said "screw counterplay"

Zbigb4life · August 2017

Malic wrote: »

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

Dude, welcome to cyrodiil. We need more meat bags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fc52FlDAm0

Your reaction really made me smile. And I don't get that often from the responses here

SugaComa · August 2017

Sustain wrote: »

Just hit my first level 50 last night (early this morning), today im cp 47 and went to do some PVP. After several hours I have killed Not one person, and died every single time to a single stun, unable to do anything until I am dead (Normally about 3 seconds at most).

Is this the state of PVP? And if not how long before I dont die in a single stun?
I was really enjoying the game but have now lost any motivation as well.... where is the fun or skill in killing someone before they can do anything?

Do not enter CP enebled cyrodil until your over 300 CP ...stay in non CP cyrodil until then

This is the best and only advice I can give for your sanity

The cp creates too big a skill gap between high cp and low cp players

Non CP will allow you to refine your skill usage, rotation and build a character you enjoy playing , then the added cp will allow you to fine tune that build for the big hitters in CP cyrodil

Then of course you'll have to hate your self when you respect to clone every other *** build in cyrodil just to remain competitive or you could accept defeat and stay with your build

Septimus_Magna · August 2017

Dont give up Sustain, almost everyone who pvp's for the first time gets his *** kicked.

The best start would be multiple YT build videos, learn what you can and apply to it to your own build. You dont have to copy everything but pick out what works for you. Its important to have 4+ impenetrable traits on your gear to reduce crit dmg and you want at least purple quality gear with gold weapons if you can afford it.

Basic knowledge of the games mechanics are also very important in pvp. For example, if you waste all your stamina by blocking/sprinting you wont be able to break free from CCs. And if you cannot break free you cannot cast heals/shields so you'll die.

Given your current CP-level its probably better to go in a non-CP campaign like others suggested. Try to join a pvp guild (or type LFG in zone chat) and run in a group to get used to the fights and sieging.

Araviel2 · August 2017

joining PVP at cp 10-159 level is probably the worst time anyone can join pvp.
you will not get the battleleveling as if you were 1-49, and you gear will be subpar to everyone that is cp160+

get your guy up to 160 so you can get some decent gear then jump into the nCP campaign and re-evaluate.
CP's are account shared so if you don't like your character then its easy to make a new one as he will get the same CP level as your first character once he reaches champion.

Brutusmax1mus · August 2017

Sounds like you are running in a champion point campaign with 0 cp. Switch to a non champion point server until you're around 300-400 champion points. The first few hundred make a substantial difference.