Proc set nerfs incoming ?

Rex-Umbra · June 2017

Probably nerf the weakest ones that no one uses.

Blobsky · June 2017

Just a global cooldown isnt close to enough - people will just move to viper + different monster set and have far more damage output than any person needs

Juhasow · June 2017

Global cooldown for proc sets is bad decision in my opinion. There are proc sets that deals very decent amount of dmg and have cooldown that allows to proc them very often. Also what if for example someone is wearing one dmg and one healing proc set lets say chokethorn or malubeth. Those healing sets will be suspended because viper procced ? Global cooldown for proc sets will just make proc sets that have little use a total garbage and those top proc sets a must have. in Homestead sets like Sheer Venom , Overwhelming etc loosed a lot of potential and now next nerf for them is coming. There should be large reballancing of proc sets and looking on them one by one not as a whole group.

Qbiken · June 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

Global cooldown for proc sets is bad decision in my opinion. There are proc sets that deals very decent amount of dmg and have cooldown that allows to proc them very often. Also what if for example someone is wearing one dmg and one healing proc set lets say chokethorn or malubeth. Those healing sets will be suspended because viper procced ? Global cooldown for proc sets will just make proc sets that have little use a total garbage and those top proc sets a must have. in Homestead sets like Sheer Venom , Overwhelming etc loosed a lot of potential and now next nerf for them is coming. There should be large reballancing of proc sets and looking on them one by one not as a whole group.

And this^ is why a global cooldown on proc-sets is a bad idea. Just tweak the tooltips on some damage-dealing proc-sets (stamina and magicka proc-sets) and monster-helmets and proc-sets are fine. The only defensive proc-sets I´ve seen complains about are Troll-king and Pirate Skeleton, but the rest of the defensive sets are balanced IMO. Lower the tooltip on some damaging proc-sets, or rework some completely (whichever is the best :P), but do not make a global change on proc-sets. It didn´t solve anything last time (when ZOS made proc-sets unable to crit) and I highly doubt that a global fix for all proc-sets will fix something this time. It might take some more time for @ZOS to take a look at each individual proc-set and tweak/change them, but I believe/hope that the extra time will be worth it in the long run.

Juhasow · June 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

Not saying there aren't proc sets in battlegrounds, I'm saying you can't blame all your deaths on proc sets. If your build can't survive proc sets you need to make some changes

You're one of those people who are like:

"You know, maybe *** wasn't all that bad"

Proc sets are the hemorrhoids of ESO.

If procsets are hemorrhoids of ESO then PvP is its ***hole

The Uninvited · June 2017

Easiest solution to keep PVP and PVE players happy: Proc sets don't work on other players.

Benn G x · June 2017

Viper doesn't hit that hard tbh, it's when selene hits you with it the same time. Selene does like 7-8k damage it's stupid.

Global cooldown is a great idea.

zergbase_ESO · June 2017

Let nerf include not stacking proc sets... seriously this is where main issue is. As well add CD to it and it will level out. Of course apply this only PvP.

Kay1 · June 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I wonder if this will be a case where no sustain backtracking is implimented and PVE gets further screwed for the PVP minority.

Minority, hahaha that's why they listen more to the PvP community, because is the minority

Strider_Roshin · June 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

Not saying there aren't proc sets in battlegrounds, I'm saying you can't blame all your deaths on proc sets. If your build can't survive proc sets you need to make some changes

You're one of those people who are like:

"You know, maybe *** wasn't all that bad"

Proc sets are the hemorrhoids of ESO.

If procsets are hemorrhoids of ESO then PvP is its ***hole

Well the PvP is pretty crappy

Berenhir · June 2017

Just wanted to chime in to correct some wrong and abusive usage of the word "proc" set.

Proc stands for Programmed Random OCcurence, which is true for e.g. Skoria but not for Viper or Senche. Neither Viper nor Senche are proc sets, they provide non random effects under specific conditions.

KingJ · June 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Why is everyone hating on stam builds for using procs lol? Talk about cancer, how about mag sorcs bombing you with freakin skoria on top of shield spam and ridiculously powerful ranged hits, or still tanking with shield spam and pirate skele. It's almost impossible to match the burst of a mag sorc without procs, and no stam build has the dots of a mag dk which procs skoria like crazy. Sure though, sNB really need a nerf, the poor squishy *** have a hard enough time surviving as is. Let them have their ganks once in a blue moon. And I say this as a stam sorc running zero proc sets in no CP. People won't be happy until stam builds have nothing left, we can't help it if we actually have to l2p stam builds and no amount of mag sorc cheese will help protect you. No disrespect to the legit mag builds out there.

I hate sorc as much as the next guy proc sets are a issue for everyone and need to be tune down along with certain things involving sorc.

WreckfulAbandon · June 2017

Just nerf Selene a bit and maybe Tremor (snare). Make sure no animation cancels or double procs are possible. Selene hits too hard, too often, and isn't delivered consistently.

Then wait and see if Viper is still an issue. Personally I feel that proc sets help potatoes even the odds and end up giving a better fight. So I'd advocate treading softly.

cpuScientist · June 2017

Leave the ability type damage dealing procs to the monster sets and stat bonus to armor. And make sure every monster set is unique viable and avoidable or at least reactable

rfennell_ESO · June 2017

The issue with proc sets is easily cured by making crit resist also reduce damage from procs.

Bam, problem solved.

It gives people the option of choosing to deal with proc sets without gutting them entirely.

The "I read the forums and going to plagiarize someone else's ideas and pose them as my own solution" that was posed on ESO live assumes that bar swapping to other sets will prevent procs. It's also likely far more complicated to limit procs on a single cooldown (and what about proc sets that don't do damage??? troll king is a proc, you going to stop it from proccing if the viper proc has put you on proc cooldown?)

Edit: oh the impregnable armor would need a nerf if this solution is entertained, which is fine... because, like... it needs to be reduced anyways.

Doctordarkspawn · June 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

As long as it´s not a global nerf I´m fine with it. Nerf individual sets, not all proc-sets.

My guess is that you only want the stam sets nerfed.

I want every proc set nerfed. I don't want a single one to work in PvP. Proc sets have been bad for the game since their conception.

Thank god your not on the balance team then.

Inability or unwillingness to acknowledge any nuance to any situation? Sounds like a scapegoat or irrational hatred. Neither have any place in decision making.

Eyesinthedrk · June 2017

Vicious death only works against players. IA and MD's minor slayer only works against dungeon and trial monstaers.

That's the fix for proc sets that makes all sides happy.

If you neef them to the point that pvp likes, PVE will hate you. And rightly so.
If you leave them strong enough for PVE, then pvp will hate you. And rightly so.

Just make proc damage from monster sets only able to affect dungeon and trial monstaers.

Kalante · June 2017

JamieAubrey wrote: »

inb4 all stamina users come crying and bitching about how they can no longer use these sets

I am proud to say as a stam nb that i never resorted to these cheap sets. They can be gone for all i care. Stam players specially the stam nb's will have to get some skill for once.

ookami007 · June 2017

ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION:

Each armor/skill/etc. has TWO tabs... a PvP tab and a PvE tab. In PvE, the armor/skill/etc. does one thing, in PvP, it does another thing.

This is the ONLY viable solution that doesn't involve breaking the servers into PvP and PvE. The two combat style and strategies are near polar opposites from PvE and PvP and trying to treat them as compatible is the source of most of this game's woes.

Eventually, one of the devs will have a temporary moment of sanity and realize this... until then, we are doomed.

Xsorus · June 2017

The only outcome of any change they do is those sets will now be *** and not usable in PvP or PVE anymore

Think Twin Sisters, which went from a really great set to not used by anyone.

Things like Sheer Venom and Vice Cannon ate nerfs with the Crit Change, and they're generally not used anymore.

So you'll have even more sets becoming *** and being useless.

Huyen · June 2017

Another proc-set nerf...I guess the nerf that they cant crit anymore isnt enough for pvp...So sad...

G0ku · June 2017

A change is needed, but aferwards I expect ppl to come to the forums to whine about unkillable XY´s...

Ragnaroek93 · June 2017

Easiest solution in my opinion would be to give Battlespirit a new buff that reduces the effects of proc sets done by 50%. A GCD wouldn't help much in my opinion, because proc set stacking isn't the problem, the problem is stacking overperforming sets. I don't think Selene/Skoria/Tremoscale would be better balanced if you don't use them with another proc set.

Vaoh · June 2017

Proc set nerf? Balance? I will believe it when I see it.

ZOS has let this nonsense go on for so long I was unaware they actually cared tbh. We will see.

glavius · June 2017

50% nerf from battlespirit would make all procs not be used at all. Might as well remove them then.

Kneighbors · June 2017

I see a lot of people asking for a nerf, forgetting that when ZoS nerf something they nerf it to the ground. They don't know how to make small adjustments.

Trainee set - from mediocre set nerfed to garbage.

Infernal Guardian - was a really cool set with decent amount of damage. Nerf after nerf, what is the last time you saw this one being used?

Overwhelming set - was a cool set that could be viable in current game with light and heavy attacks, but well it was nerfed to become another garbage set.

And there are much more, at least 30% of the garbage sets today have a history of being used at some point.

So you want to extend this list of garbage sets with all the proc sets because there are bunch of players who learned how to use them well?

Instead of asking to improve other sets both for PvE and PvP community constantly asking for nerfs. Then when we get patch all we see is NERF NERF NERF and everybody starting crying. We get exactly what we deserve.

glavius · June 2017

I think changing them to dots would be a good change. That way they're not as bursty, but still provide more overall damage than a pure weapon damage/stamina set (which it should since it doesn't boost healing or max stat pool)

And if the dot has a reasonably short duration, templar purge wouldn't be a huge issue.

KingJ · June 2017

glavius wrote: »

50% nerf from battlespirit would make all procs not be used at all. Might as well remove them then.

That's a good thing.

Prospero_ESO · June 2017

RNG in PvP is in general a bad idea, hopefully they will drastically reduce that to increase more skillful play, but measured on how clueless ZOS is, i doubt it.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

KingJ wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

50% nerf from battlespirit would make all procs not be used at all. Might as well remove them then.

That's a good thing.

Killing sets is never a good thing, we have enough useless sets as it is.