Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

One role choice would lengthen the queue time. There are plenty players like myself that can do multiple roles on the same character.

Talk about dps waiting and waiting for queues. OPs idea would just make it longer and players eokld probably still queue as a tank or healer when they cannot (though healing kost dungeons really only takes one or two heals.

Again it only works it people actually try to help the problem by making tanks and healers to play on also yea if everyone just stays as dps then yes won't help but if they do more tanks and more healers makes groups faster

I just wish it would let you select all three pledges at once (especially from a dps point of view), que you for all three and put you in the first one that comes up while still keeping you in que for the second and third dungeon,

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I queue with 3 characters usually.

My Nightblade is a DPS/Healer (I queue as healer)
My sorc is a DPS healer (I queue as healer)
My Templar is a Healer/Tank (I usually queue as healer because I'm thinking of switching her tanking gear).

What do you suggest I queue as?

You may do those things adequately for solo questing, but I've yet to see a Nightblade healer worth jack squat in Vet dungeons.

1. DPS
2. DPS
3. Healer, but only if wearing LA healing set. HA tanking stamina healer really does none of the roles.

My nightblade has successfully healed vet dungeons as well as trials. She was actually my first character to finish vWGT and she was the healer.

1 and 2. I honestly thing they work better as healers than DPS, but that's just me.
3. She wears SPC and Worm for healing and Pariah and Armor Master for tanking. She's not a stam build. Reconsidering tanking sets, though I've not settled on anything yet.

You should probably let go of your preconceptions about what classes can do. Are there people who queue as tank/healer who don't know what they are doing? Yes. But there are plenty of people who can heal and/or tank on the class of their choice, and do it really well.

I'm not saying you don't know how to or can't que as those just only do 1 and make it what your best at don't be a dps with 1 resto staff skill so you que as healer to

So you are saying, a person should cripple him/herself when that person can legitimately fill in multiple roles? Name a class, I will brainstorm for you a tank setup, a DPS setup and a healer setup for vet dungeons that you can switch on the fly right here right now.

Lol you missing the point for this post please read all comments before posting. This thread is not telling ppl to not do different roles just only que up for 1 at a time what you are best at and geared for sure everyone can do a lil of everything but my toons still have a dedicated role witch is what I que for. When I wanna be tank instead I switch my gear and skills and que as tank I don't go in as dps set up que as tank to get group faster

You are missing the point. If a person can legitimately fill in multiple roles, asking that person to queue as one role is similar to asking the guy to cripple himself. Please understand that you can't force people to play the way you play, you have toons with dedicated roles but that's just how you personally play the game, there are people who have toons that can fill in multiple roles and they are willing to fill in whatever role that gets them in the dungeon. Why do they have to play the game the way you like? Example: Peter has a Magicka Templar that has a tank setup and a healer setup. He queues for vet pledge and he is willing to either tank or heal, whichever role that gets him into the dungeon. There's no reason why he has to pick one of the two roles while he can certainly perform effectively on both roles.

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I queue with 3 characters usually.

My Nightblade is a DPS/Healer (I queue as healer)
My sorc is a DPS healer (I queue as healer)
My Templar is a Healer/Tank (I usually queue as healer because I'm thinking of switching her tanking gear).

What do you suggest I queue as?

You may do those things adequately for solo questing, but I've yet to see a Nightblade healer worth jack squat in Vet dungeons.

1. DPS
2. DPS
3. Healer, but only if wearing LA healing set. HA tanking stamina healer really does none of the roles.

My nightblade has successfully healed vet dungeons as well as trials. She was actually my first character to finish vWGT and she was the healer.

1 and 2. I honestly thing they work better as healers than DPS, but that's just me.
3. She wears SPC and Worm for healing and Pariah and Armor Master for tanking. She's not a stam build. Reconsidering tanking sets, though I've not settled on anything yet.

You should probably let go of your preconceptions about what classes can do. Are there people who queue as tank/healer who don't know what they are doing? Yes. But there are plenty of people who can heal and/or tank on the class of their choice, and do it really well.

I'm not saying you don't know how to or can't que as those just only do 1 and make it what your best at don't be a dps with 1 resto staff skill so you que as healer to

So you are saying, a person should cripple him/herself when that person can legitimately fill in multiple roles? Name a class, I will brainstorm for you a tank setup, a DPS setup and a healer setup for vet dungeons that you can switch on the fly right here right now.

Lol you missing the point for this post please read all comments before posting. This thread is not telling ppl to not do different roles just only que up for 1 at a time what you are best at and geared for sure everyone can do a lil of everything but my toons still have a dedicated role witch is what I que for. When I wanna be tank instead I switch my gear and skills and que as tank I don't go in as dps set up que as tank to get group faster

You are missing the point. If a person can legitimately fill in multiple roles, asking that person to queue as one role is similar to asking the guy to cripple himself. Please understand that you can't force people to play the way you play, you have toons with dedicated roles but that's just how you personally play the game, there are people who have toons that can fill in multiple roles and they are willing to fill in whatever role that gets them in the dungeon. Why do they have to play the game the way you like? Example: Peter has a Magicka Templar that has a tank setup and a healer setup. He queues for vet pledge and he is willing to either tank or heal, whichever role that gets him into the dungeon. There's no reason why he has to pick one of the two roles while he can certainly perform effectively on both roles.

Again your missing the point this is not about those people this about dps who que as tank and healer to get group faster knowing very well they can not do either role only dps please stay on topic

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

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hmsdragonfly wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I queue with 3 characters usually.

My Nightblade is a DPS/Healer (I queue as healer)
My sorc is a DPS healer (I queue as healer)
My Templar is a Healer/Tank (I usually queue as healer because I'm thinking of switching her tanking gear).

What do you suggest I queue as?

You may do those things adequately for solo questing, but I've yet to see a Nightblade healer worth jack squat in Vet dungeons.

1. DPS
2. DPS
3. Healer, but only if wearing LA healing set. HA tanking stamina healer really does none of the roles.

My nightblade has successfully healed vet dungeons as well as trials. She was actually my first character to finish vWGT and she was the healer.

1 and 2. I honestly thing they work better as healers than DPS, but that's just me.
3. She wears SPC and Worm for healing and Pariah and Armor Master for tanking. She's not a stam build. Reconsidering tanking sets, though I've not settled on anything yet.

You should probably let go of your preconceptions about what classes can do. Are there people who queue as tank/healer who don't know what they are doing? Yes. But there are plenty of people who can heal and/or tank on the class of their choice, and do it really well.

I'm not saying you don't know how to or can't que as those just only do 1 and make it what your best at don't be a dps with 1 resto staff skill so you que as healer to

So you are saying, a person should cripple him/herself when that person can legitimately fill in multiple roles? Name a class, I will brainstorm for you a tank setup, a DPS setup and a healer setup for vet dungeons that you can switch on the fly right here right now.

Lol you missing the point for this post please read all comments before posting. This thread is not telling ppl to not do different roles just only que up for 1 at a time what you are best at and geared for sure everyone can do a lil of everything but my toons still have a dedicated role witch is what I que for. When I wanna be tank instead I switch my gear and skills and que as tank I don't go in as dps set up que as tank to get group faster

You are missing the point. If a person can legitimately fill in multiple roles, asking that person to queue as one role is similar to asking the guy to cripple himself. Please understand that you can't force people to play the way you play, you have toons with dedicated roles but that's just how you personally play the game, there are people who have toons that can fill in multiple roles and they are willing to fill in whatever role that gets them in the dungeon. Why do they have to play the game the way you like? Example: Peter has a Magicka Templar that has a tank setup and a healer setup. He queues for vet pledge and he is willing to either tank or heal, whichever role that gets him into the dungeon. There's no reason why he has to pick one of the two roles while he can certainly perform effectively on both roles.

Again your missing the point this is not about those people this about dps who que as tank and healer to get group faster knowing very well they can not do either role only dps please stay on topic

The thread is complaining about dps who queue outside their roles to unfairly get a quicker queue, but the proposed solution ungfairly punishes the folks you're responding to, so I think it's you who is missing the point.

When dps queue as tanks and healers for faster queues, it's incredibly rude, but I'm not sure there exists a good way to make sure people only queue for roles they're prepared to perform.

"Only allow people to queue for one role" isn't a good solution, because, as has been said, many people are ready to perform multiple roles. Additionally, it doesn't even solve the problem since those jackholes will just uncheck dps and queue solely as tank, which will even more often screw over the group.

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I queue with 3 characters usually.

My Nightblade is a DPS/Healer (I queue as healer)
My sorc is a DPS healer (I queue as healer)
My Templar is a Healer/Tank (I usually queue as healer because I'm thinking of switching her tanking gear).

What do you suggest I queue as?

You may do those things adequately for solo questing, but I've yet to see a Nightblade healer worth jack squat in Vet dungeons.

1. DPS
2. DPS
3. Healer, but only if wearing LA healing set. HA tanking stamina healer really does none of the roles.

Two things.
Firstly, Nightblade healer might not work in competitive vet trial runs but right now any class can pick up a restro and heal vet dungeons just fine, now that everyone can feed stamina to the group not just Templar.
Secondly, Magicka Templar tanks do exist (they are OP af in PvP but that's the story for a different day). If you want to do competitive vet trial runs you should go with meta, but it's a vet dungeon, you can easily have a tank setup and a healer setup for your Templar.

I'm sure it's possible, but un likely. I've been running pug Vets for two years now.

I have seen 1, yes 1 adequate hybrid healer. He was a Sorcerer.

I understand everyone on the forums is Yoloswag420MLG hybrid NB healers, speed running Vet WGT.

Unfortunately, for 99.98% of players, this is not reality.

I have never said anything about hybrid healer. What are you talking about?

Did you miss the topic of this thread?

Pug NB, Sorc, DK healers (hybrid or not, doesn't matter) are overwhelmingly bad and should feel bad.

Did you miss topic of this thread it's about peoplewho que as multiple roles to get troupe faster

Nope. You didn't account for the people that "think" they can do all three roles, so they select them all.

It's not always a DPS trying to get a group faster.

There are more people who select one role and are bad than people who select multiple roles and are bad. Bad people are bad, how many roles they select doesn't matter one bit.

Anecdotal, but then again it's a sign of the times.

Just to throw down a Joseph Stalin quote: “Be the change you wish to see in the world.”

central_scrutinizer wrote: »

I have several characters that can easily fill all three roles, I carry around gear sets and have profiles for swapping out to whatever role on the fly, and for each role I have multiple subsets of skill/gear setups for boss/trash phases and for trials too, which I just need a second out of combat to cycle through. Anybody can fulfill multiple roles, it just takes preparation and the will to do so.

Worry about the people who are not actually willing and able to fulfill their roles. They'd probably still queue as whatever they thought was fastest, even if we were locked into selecting just one role.

Totally agree and your post gave me something that looks just like a Telefunken u47.

NBs have the Best hots.
Dk has easy access to major mending
Sorc has The Best burst heal in the game
Templar have the Best Overall support
Wardens have a bit of everything.


With the change to orbs, there is no reason why any class cant heal vet dungeons or trials.
It even has been done before morrowind Patch.

My NBs can fullfill any role, so i queue as everything.
With refreshing Path, funnel and lightning blockade i probably will be doing more dps as healer than your average pug DD. And that while keeping my Team alive.
You just have to swap gear and skills between roles.

And if you tell me "only queue as what you do Best", i Tell you to shut the *** up.
I play my Nb cos i love it and can fill every role fine. If i wanted to "do the best" i should delete my Nb, cos in reality its not Best in anything but ok in everything

Please don't give the group finder another reason to fail. The poor thing is already dying a slow, buggy and painful death.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

There are a lot of people who legitimately can fill in multiple roles.

This solution will kill the game for many people, so it's not a good idea at all.

It doesn't matter if you can fill multiple roles.

Dungeon finder always finds 2x DPS, 1x tank, and 1x healer. If you queue as DPS/healer, dungeon finder sees you as a healer. That's what your team expects of you as well.

And what if you queue as tank/healer and you legitimately have a tank setup and a healer setup?

you only need a healer and tank for prison,mazz,cradle dungeons everything else is 4 dps. if you're whining about needing a tank or healer you probably suck which nullifies anything you got to say.