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Proc set nerfs incoming ?
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »never going to happen.
the devs love the "diversity" they claimed, what was spoken here in that eso live was not planned and can be discarded.
im not joking. not trolling.
i mean what i am saying. proc sets will not be changing.
the result is that more and more people will be leaving eso.
that is my belief.
dont get me wrong, i hate proc sets and i hope they will delete all those sets, but i just dont see it happen.
just like they said allready they removed the "crit" of proc sets and they think it fixed everything by doing that.
They literally said they are looking into it on eso live and it will be addressed in the next patch.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Zeni probably heard from one guy that proc sets are underpowered, so they'll be getting a %200 buff next patch.Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭Don't think a nerf to proc sets is needed. I don't use them but I also don't get killed by them unless I'm being zerged, in which case I will eventually die anyway, if not to proc sets than jesus beam or sorc execute. Just one of those charming PvP things.GM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU5 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »Don't think a nerf to proc sets is needed. I don't use them but I also don't get killed by them unless I'm being zerged, in which case I will eventually die anyway, if not to proc sets than jesus beam or sorc execute. Just one of those charming PvP things.
Enter battlegrounds please.5 -
Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »Don't think a nerf to proc sets is needed. I don't use them but I also don't get killed by them unless I'm being zerged, in which case I will eventually die anyway, if not to proc sets than jesus beam or sorc execute. Just one of those charming PvP things.
Enter battlegrounds please.
I have. I've gone in on a stam sorc and not died to proc sets lol, died to Eye of Flame though! Still don't think either should be nerfed.GM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU6 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »Don't think a nerf to proc sets is needed. I don't use them but I also don't get killed by them unless I'm being zerged, in which case I will eventually die anyway, if not to proc sets than jesus beam or sorc execute. Just one of those charming PvP things.
Enter battlegrounds please.
I have. I've gone in on a stam sorc and not died to proc sets lol, died to Eye of Flame though! Still don't think either should be nerfed.
Go in more than once.
Because bgs is full of proc sets, if you deny it you must be playing a different bgs than everyone else.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭Not saying there aren't proc sets in battlegrounds, I'm saying you can't blame all your deaths on proc sets. If your build can't survive proc sets you need to make some changes
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »Not saying there aren't proc sets in battlegrounds, I'm saying you can't blame all your deaths on proc sets. If your build can't survive proc sets you need to make some changes
When the whole world roles Tank won't that be fun .4 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »Not saying there aren't proc sets in battlegrounds, I'm saying you can't blame all your deaths on proc sets. If your build can't survive proc sets you need to make some changes
You're one of those people who are like:
"You know, maybe *** wasn't all that bad"
Proc sets are the hemorrhoids of ESO.5 -
Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭Just seeing a whole lot of l2p issues here. Maybe we should just nerf everything so nothing does damage and we just spam healing springs at each other.GM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU8
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As long as it doesn't effect PvE, then I don't care. As much as I complain about proc sets (mainly it's stamina-based proc sets), I always speak ill of them from a Battleground/Cyrodiil perspective. Please do NOT go and nerf proc sets in that it effects PvE, because they are overperforming in PvP. You did this once in regards to making it so that proc sets can no longer crit, making sets like Briarheart and Nerien'eth become trash. Please do NOT repeat history. @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn5 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Ciri wrote: »Just seeing a whole lot of l2p issues here. Maybe we should just nerf everything so nothing does damage and we just spam healing springs at each other.
Well that Kodi player that recommended this seems to be a decent player at the game . You sure skill is the issue ?
Or should someone tag Kodi and tell him L2P ?4 -
makreth✭✭✭✭✭It's that time of the year that Zos twists items and properties and we players have to farm all over again. Nothing new. The never ending cycle of end game 0 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kneighbors wrote: »Although I can feel your buttheart about proc sets I would never understand those who ask to nerf everything that has a contrast, greying the game more and more. The game becoming more and more boring with every nerf.
I remember times I was playing my templar heal in PvE and using Radiant Destruction feeling "damn in this moment I make 25k dps better than our dd". There were bosses I was finishing as lone survival when boss under 10% health. I was feeling my heal is strong, can defend himself. It was a great feeling. I barely use this skill today. I barely play heal today.
I remember using Desert Rose set on my magtank getting good amount of magicka in action. Today magicka sustain = lich set and thats it, no alternatives.
Instead of asking devs to improve the sets, the game, the skills, the community cries for nerfs. Then it cries because of too many nerfs saying it's not fun anymore. So I think we deserve exactly what we get. The game is going on a steady heading to becoming dull mmo without any diversity.
Desert Rose is still a great mag sustain set, what are you talking about? It's the meta for permablock MagDKs.
You talk like proc dmg sets are making the game good and interesting, but they are not. They promote the scrubby type of gameplay that you just need to spam one button and your gear will do all the damage for you. Remember when people say "omg this guy is so good, he pulls out an awesome burst combo with 5 moves that leaves the opponent no chance to fight back"? Now it's all about "omg this guy ransacks a dude and the dude dies to tremor and viper".
Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!3 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I wonder if this will be a case where no sustain backtracking is implimented and PVE gets further screwed for the PVP minority.
Proc sets provide minute dps in pve anyway.
Depends on the set and the setup.
Will also likely depend on what sets are effected.
Kodi was on the show and had suggested a global cooldown so three proc sets can not proc at once . Gina said they are open for suggestions and feedback but do not blame her as she does not touch the game code and if she did it would be worse . Much worse .
Honestly cant be worse than the mismanagement that's allready going to occur. Of course, what his the PTS hits live.
So, I expect proc sets across the board will get nerfed, a limiter might get implimented later, but no nerfs will be rethought.
The issue isnt that 'whats on pts goes live' because even competitive games like Overwatch don't adjust much on the PTS because of limited testing (ESO testing is event less). The issue is that they don't adjust nearly as fast as they should once the data rolls in.0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PvE is beatable without procs. To suggest that removal/nerfing of proc sets would harm PvE suggests that you want to use as much less skill as you can in order to PvE.
Next thing you'll say that PvE eso is hard and without proc sets it cannot be completed.
To suggest that proc sets are healthy for PvP tells me that you are not skilled and you rely on proc sets to deal damage while you maximize your survivability.
You mean to say that damage output should be done PASSIVELY because of your ARMOR since you are not skilled as to ACTIVELY defeat an enemy?
Flows of tears in forum because of procs?
I can't wait for the flood of tears from players once they realize that without procs doing the damage for them, they themselves are useless.
Remove proc sets from this game.
Only procs available in the game should be from Skill treelines.
Proc builds should reflect Class/weapon strategy, not farming.4 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I wonder if this will be a case where no sustain backtracking is implimented and PVE gets further screwed for the PVP minority.
Game mechanics for pve are not relevant unless you are talking about the 5% of the pve content that takes some skill, practice, and gear.
I can guarantee you that more people participate in pvp daily than people who participate in that top tier end game pve.
So I feel like your assessment of who is the minority when it comes to game mechanics is off.Kiki Dickson ~~~ Dixmanian Devil ~~~ Cornelius Buckshank Jr.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »Although I can feel your buttheart about proc sets I would never understand those who ask to nerf everything that has a contrast, greying the game more and more. The game becoming more and more boring with every nerf.
I remember times I was playing my templar heal in PvE and using Radiant Destruction feeling "damn in this moment I make 25k dps better than our dd". There were bosses I was finishing as lone survival when boss under 10% health. I was feeling my heal is strong, can defend himself. It was a great feeling. I barely use this skill today. I barely play heal today.
I remember using Desert Rose set on my magtank getting good amount of magicka in action. Today magicka sustain = lich set and thats it, no alternatives.
Instead of asking devs to improve the sets, the game, the skills, the community cries for nerfs. Then it cries because of too many nerfs saying it's not fun anymore. So I think we deserve exactly what we get. The game is going on a steady heading to becoming dull mmo without any diversity.
I agree.
i used to blame ZoS for the nerf-fest that was every patch since IC, but it's this community that constantly pleads for them.
Proc sets don't need a blanket nerf. The abuse comes from 5 piece instant -invisible sets that cans tack with each otehr and a monster set. Change these sets so they cant do this and proc sets would be fine.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
FrostFallFox✭✭✭✭Please don't nerf my Iceheart and Winterborn! They've been through enough already.\(^-,,-^)/3 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I wonder if this will be a case where no sustain backtracking is implimented and PVE gets further screwed for the PVP minority.
Game mechanics for pve are not relevant unless you are talking about the 5% of the pve content that takes some skill, practice, and gear.
I can guarantee you that more people participate in pvp daily than people who participate in that top tier end game pve.
So I feel like your assessment of who is the minority when it comes to game mechanics is off.
So much agree. And if people that think that PROC is the answer to completing that %5 of PvE...man have I lost any respect for any of you..
Edited by GeorgeBlack on June 24, 2017 5:13AM1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why is everyone hating on stam builds for using procs lol? Talk about cancer, how about mag sorcs bombing you with freakin skoria on top of shield spam and ridiculously powerful ranged hits, or still tanking with shield spam and pirate skele. It's almost impossible to match the burst of a mag sorc without procs, and no stam build has the dots of a mag dk which procs skoria like crazy. Sure though, sNB really need a nerf, the poor squishy *** have a hard enough time surviving as is. Let them have their ganks once in a blue moon. And I say this as a stam sorc running zero proc sets in no CP. People won't be happy until stam builds have nothing left, we can't help it if we actually have to l2p stam builds and no amount of mag sorc cheese will help protect you. No disrespect to the legit mag builds out there.Edited by Vapirko on June 24, 2017 5:28AM9 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why is everyone hating on stam builds for using procs lol? Talk about cancer, how about mag sorcs bombing you with freakin skoria on top of shield spam and ridiculously powerful ranged hits, or still tanking with shield spam and pirate skele. It's almost impossible to match the burst of a mag sorc without procs, and no stam build has the dots of a mag dk which procs skoria like crazy. Sure though, sNB really need a nerf, the poor squishy *** have a hard enough time surviving as is. Let them have their ganks once in a blue moon. And I say this as a stam sorc running zero proc sets in no CP. People won't be happy until stam builds have nothing left, we can't help it if we actually have to l2p stam builds and no amount of mag sorc cheese will help protect you. No disrespect to the legit mag builds out there.
These are the people thst argue against anything thst would hinter their interests.
Procs are a problem not only because of stam users. They are bad because they deal passive damage.
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Wolfchild07✭✭✭✭✭We decided that there needed to be a cooldown between Maw of Infernal proc and Morkuldin proc to make gameplay more fair. Everything else will remain unchanged.3 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are they doing a blanket nerf to all proc sets again to trash sets like Winterborn even more, instead of addressing the few sets that have been reported to be overperforming for over a year now (Viper, Widowmaker, Selene, etc)?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
So you want Bloodspawn and the rest of all defensive proc-sets to be removed as well??? sigh....0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wolfchild07 wrote: »We decided that there needed to be a cooldown between Maw of Infernal proc and Morkuldin proc to make gameplay more fair. Everything else will remain unchanged.
The sad thing is that I wouldn't put it past ZOS to do a blanket nerf, and therefore making mediocre proc-based sets less viable. Ultimately hurting PvE once again due to things overperforming in PvP. And why is that? Because ZOS is so blinded by their vision of a seamless transition between PvE to PvP (and vice-versa), that they can't see that it is ultimately ruining their game. And pretty much has been for years now. But naturally, the team in charge of these types of things are too arrogant to pause and admit that they've been wrong this whole time. And begin working at the core of things, more so than symptoms which keep arising time after time again.3 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭So since you cannot taunt a player, remove tremorscale from pvp????
Let's hope...Signature3
