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All this bitching about Crown Crates
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Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭It happens every time they are released. Just ignore the anti crate crowd. Its zealotry now.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree with the OP. The crown crates have terrible RNG, just like the rest of the game. You know what you signing up for when you gamble your crowns away. If you dont like to gamble dont buy the crates.1 -
Gedalya✭✭✭✭✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
Thank you; can't stand listening to people complain. While I'd like to see some price adjustments; at the end of the day, you don't have to buy from the Crown Store, it's optional.0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »
Like, for example, yours. You are not presenting a valid argument, since you didn't address any point raised by the community who are against this kind of scheme.
I'm not arguing anything though, just stating a fact that an argument isn't the same as a valid argument. There is absolutely nothing to argue about that.
Internet meet @Voxicity - he feels there is nothing to argue about in that fairly uncontroversial statement... Internet do your thing!
And I'll start - your statement itself was fine but because of where and how you posted it in the context of a reply to another post you could justly be assumed to be contending that the person to whom you were replying had no valid argument and thus opened the door to them, quite fairly, challenging not your statement but the context and positioning of it - after all if you had not meant to be challenging that poster then why quote them?
Why does everything have to be about an argument here? They made a comment about all these people not reading a single argument, so I said that maybe they did read the arguments but they may believe they are invalid. It is possible to read someone's argument and not agree with it, afterall0 -
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I haven't spent much on these crates but the few I did buy I have to agree with those who've spent a lot, lot more and get nothing.
Yeah it's just a mount or a costume and it doesn't mean you can't play the game, but for some of these people (and there are a few in the guilds im in) they enjoy the RP aspect and collecting items. So when they spend $100 I would be a little upset too to get 25 Nix hounds and 0 of the new mounts/costumes.
Your approach of "it's a gambling system - deal with it" is no better a solution than saying, "Just spend another $10,$20,$50,$100 until you get what you want." It doesn't solve any of the pretty substantial evidence that ZOS makes the RNG worse each crown season because they know these people will buy and buy because they feel like they have to.
It's not on you to judge them - it's their money - but I understand where they are coming from.
It's like telling smokers that smoking is bad, they already know it - they just enjoy it and it's none of your business so back off.
The arguments people have made about this paywall carry far more weight than anything you've said in this thread. [snip]
[edit to remove baiting]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on June 23, 2017 8:22PM3 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭People voicing concerns isn't necessarily butching. Crates were a slippery slope to start off with. While I defended them in the past, I can't now. The gem exchange rate is terrible, more bland rewards added to the mix, which further reduces the amount of gems, as you exchange for duplicates. Others now completely locked away behind a weighted system. No way rng produces that many nix hounds per pack. A 30 crown pet that gives less than half back in gems. A 200 gem motif that cashes in at 33 gems. All of these are valid concerns.
The ironic thing is you started a thread bitching about people bitching. Which serves no purpose what so ever.3 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
Thank you; can't stand listening to people complain. While I'd like to see some price adjustments; at the end of the day, you don't have to buy from the Crown Store, it's optional.
That's my thing - I don't buy them except with my monthly crown allotment. So I don't understand people that choose to spend money on them and then complain about it.0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »I never understood this whine fest either...same thing happens in SWTOR all the time. If you don't like the crates, don't buy em, it's that simple.
Then again, you have people bitching non stop about a 15 dollar a month sub fee too, which makes no sense to me at all.
The difference is SWTOR actually puts game content behind the sub wall. People complain there less than they do here. It's pretty impressive.0 -
me_ming✭✭✭✭✭I've never liked the crates but also never given abuse to those buying them.
I think you will find the anger for these comes from the rather insulting changes ZOS pushed through to make more money from crates.
Formally even with the RNG of crates you could buy enough crates and not get an apex item to just then buy that item with the gems you got. This meant that no matter how bad luck you had, there was a limit on the real money needed to be spent to acquire something.
Now however ZOS has added an extra tier which this doesn't work for, they can't be purchased. This means if you actually want an item you could now in theory pay hundreds of real life currency for it.
It's a very unfair move and a lot of people are taking it as an insult.SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit will explain briefly why the con crates they are objected to yes.
They encourage gambling. The chances of getting what you wish for without a significant amount of money exchanging paws is very slim. This was shown by all the testing on the PTS.
They take things that would be in the store and make you gamble to purchase them. They are an unfair transaction because you do not know what you buy before you buy it. If items were in the store directly then many of us would have no issue with a purchase - although this one she does object to exclusive motifs and dyes being in the store as these have previously only been in the game. Taking content available previously in one form and moving it to the more expensive one is a drip, drip process. First one thing, then another and soon all we love about Tamriel has a significant price tag on it.
They very largely contain consumables that not many people want anyway.
The crown gem exchange system is far too low. You will still need to buy many many crates and exchange many duplicates before getting the item you wish for.
They will probably dictate the future content of the store and the game itself - if they prove popular then all of the best items will be crate exclusive. This is the biggest concern for this one. When the Tamriel becomes nothing but a casino and great shiny shopping mall then many of us will cease to enjoy travelling there.
They took Pacrooti and made him into a crazed, crate junkie monster.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
These two points exactly.
If the crown crates contained items that were previously sold in the crown store, sure why not. Or if it was in game gold, again, why not. But if I'm spending REAL money, no way am I wasting it. I value my money and what it can do. I don't want to be forced to gamble it. And the worse part is there is nothing really interesting anymore to buy in the crown store. I mean, why not just remove it if you just focus on the crates. Just goes to show how greedy ZoS is. I mean, are they going bankrupt or something that they really need to push the crates?"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
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So you purchase 5500 Crowns from the Crown Store. You spend most of your purchase on the Crates. You have 100 Crowns left over after all your purchases. You decide to purchase a mean looking wolf with your remaining 100 Crowns. What? You can't use your remaining Crowns - you need Gem Crowns? What is this nonsense?0
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✭✭✭NukeAllTheThings wrote: »All this bitching about people bitching about Crown Crates.
They are voicing their personal opinion and have no impact on you and your opinion. Don't like it, don't read it and go about your way. Odin.
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »
I agree with what ZOS are doing though. Am I not allowed to agree with it, and does that make me a little brainwashed anti-activist automaton?
Is it bad that I simply just don't give a damn? I mean I've put thousands of hours into the game and I'm still enjoying it completely. In my eyes spending £40 for some crown crates doesn't even come close to spending how much I think my time spent in the game could be valued at.
Like I'd go to the cinema and spend £10 for an hour of entertainment there. So spending a little bit of money on crates considering the amount of entertainment I've got from ESO doesn't bother me at all.
[edit to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on June 23, 2017 8:26PM0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »I never understood this whine fest either...same thing happens in SWTOR all the time. If you don't like the crates, don't buy em, it's that simple.
Then again, you have people bitching non stop about a 15 dollar a month sub fee too, which makes no sense to me at all.
The difference is SWTOR actually puts game content behind the sub wall. People complain there less than they do here. It's pretty impressive.
I played that game from launch. Your right. I like many others didn't complain, I just quit. Why not do the same thing here? Only reason is I like elder scrolls very much. It has nothing to do with a sense of entitlement. I would expect to pay for such things. I don't have any problem with that. It's the way they sell them.3 -
ProfesseurFreder✭✭✭✭✭There's a good and thoughtful post over in the Crown Store category on the forum that deals with this season's imbalances intelligently, for those who aren't just here to troll the trollers."Nothing by which all human passion and hope and folly can be mirrored and then proved ever was just a game."
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »I never understood this whine fest either...same thing happens in SWTOR all the time. If you don't like the crates, don't buy em, it's that simple.
Then again, you have people bitching non stop about a 15 dollar a month sub fee too, which makes no sense to me at all.
well to be fair... swtor crates have been going down in quality, while going up in price with each new season if you will.
which seems to be happening with ESO crates as well. honestly, while I more or less got all I wanted out of the most recent crates (most of it bought with gems) even I'm kinda getting to the point where I'm not sure if I will participate in another season. between the drop rates and content and the new "cannot buy with gems, luck only" addition.. the crates are starting to get more unappealing. I have zero problem with crate existence, I kinda like them actualy, but... don't think that just because some people complain over their mere existence means all the complaints about the crates have no legitimacy to them.
(as for bitching about $15 a month fee, how should I put it. ESO is very playable without subscription. its much MUCH better with one, but its perfectly playable at any point - without. SWTOR is just about unplayable without one and the bonuses you get with it are about a third of what you get with ESO)dirty worthless casual.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
Actually, there's a genuine fear supported by some tooltip descriptions of late that there actually could be pay to win items coming or implimented, in addition to mounts locked behind crown crates more than there allready are.
And if that does not make sense to you, word of advice: Let people be wrong. You'll get much more from life if you learn to acccept people have a right to be wrong, and go on your merry way. Sure, you should try to change things, but attempting to call people out for them, is near useless.2 -
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I know, right? That's the single stupidest thing a person here can say. I've bought crates, and have never gambled in my life. The crates are literally the closest thing to gambling I've ever gotten, and they aren't really gambling in my opinion. With gambling, there is a big chance you will get nothing for your money. With crates, you will always get something, even if it's something you don't like.Drachenfier wrote: »Really? They encourage gambling?
Come on...
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✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
I know, right? That's the single stupidest thing a person here can say. I've bought crates, and have never gambled in my life. The crates are literally the closest thing to gambling I've ever gotten, and they aren't really gambling in my opinion. With gambling, there is a big chance you will get nothing for your money. With crates, you will always get something, even if it's something you don't like.Drachenfier wrote: »Really? They encourage gambling?
Come on...
..Well, you are still paying for a random chance at a item you may not even get. Aaaaand the second definition of gambling is, and I quote
"2. take risky action in the hope of a desired result."
I'd say that qualifies.
As an additional note, I'd love to buy like half the costumes in the little gem store they have this cycle, but I refuse to buy crown crates ad infinitum just to get one of them.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on June 23, 2017 5:09PM4 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
I know, right? That's the single stupidest thing a person here can say. I've bought crates, and have never gambled in my life. The crates are literally the closest thing to gambling I've ever gotten, and they aren't really gambling in my opinion. With gambling, there is a big chance you will get nothing for your money. With crates, you will always get something, even if it's something you don't like.Drachenfier wrote: »Really? They encourage gambling?
Come on...
By definition, gambling is wagering something on a desired outcome. Unless every outcome is desired (we all know it's not) then it is gambling. This comes from someone who does on rare occasions play cards at casinos.1 -
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✭I agree.
Too many people complain about them. I get it, you want what's in the crates you just don't want risk the money and not getting anything you want. Which is fine. Don't buy them. If I buy 15 crates and I end up with one mount and a couple costumes and stuff, I'm happy. I've "played the game" and got something back.
I bought 15 crates once and got nothing pretty much, it happens. I didn't throw my dummy out the pram and hate on the system. You win some you lose some right. Like at a casino.
All the people are probably the same ones who cry about Morrowind costing money and not being including in Eso+. Smh.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree.
Too many people complain about them. I get it, you want what's in the crates you just don't want risk the money and not getting anything you want. Which is fine. Don't buy them. If I buy 15 crates and I end up with one mount and a couple costumes and stuff, I'm happy. I've "played the game" and got something back.
I bought 15 crates once and got nothing pretty much, it happens. I didn't throw my dummy out the pram and hate on the system. You win some you lose some right. Like at a casino.
All the people are probably the same ones who cry about Morrowind costing money and not being including in Eso+. Smh.
Not enough people complain about them.
ZOS is the only company I have ever seen which refuses to do a mutual transaction on one or more goods and instead insists that people gamble. It makes no sense.1 -
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JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree.
Too many people complain about them. I get it, you want what's in the crates you just don't want risk the money and not getting anything you want. Which is fine. Don't buy them. If I buy 15 crates and I end up with one mount and a couple costumes and stuff, I'm happy. I've "played the game" and got something back.
I bought 15 crates once and got nothing pretty much, it happens. I didn't throw my dummy out the pram and hate on the system. You win some you lose some right. Like at a casino.
All the people are probably the same ones who cry about Morrowind costing money and not being including in Eso+. Smh.
Even people who liked crown crates are also complaining because they are reinventing the system as they go along. This season is actually infuriating to people on both sides of the debate. The people against these crates are against rng purchases not content purchases altogether.2 -
Jamascus✭✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit will explain briefly why the con crates they are objected to yes.
They encourage gambling. The chances of getting what you wish for without a significant amount of money exchanging paws is very slim. This was shown by all the testing on the PTS.
They take things that would be in the store and make you gamble to purchase them. They are an unfair transaction because you do not know what you buy before you buy it. If items were in the store directly then many of us would have no issue with a purchase - although this one she does object to exclusive motifs and dyes being in the store as these have previously only been in the game. Taking content available previously in one form and moving it to the more expensive one is a drip, drip process. First one thing, then another and soon all we love about Tamriel has a significant price tag on it.
They very largely contain consumables that not many people want anyway.
The crown gem exchange system is far too low. You will still need to buy many many crates and exchange many duplicates before getting the item you wish for.
They will probably dictate the future content of the store and the game itself - if they prove popular then all of the best items will be crate exclusive. This is the biggest concern for this one. When the Tamriel becomes nothing but a casino and great shiny shopping mall then many of us will cease to enjoy travelling there.
They took Pacrooti and made him into a crazed, crate junkie monster.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Also, ZOS should be spending that money on bug fixes and game play development.0 -
Idylliqe✭✭✭I agree.
Too many people complain about them. I get it, you want what's in the crates you just don't want risk the money and not getting anything you want. Which is fine. Don't buy them. If I buy 15 crates and I end up with one mount and a couple costumes and stuff, I'm happy. I've "played the game" and got something back.
I bought 15 crates once and got nothing pretty much, it happens. I didn't throw my dummy out the pram and hate on the system. You win some you lose some right. Like at a casino.
All the people are probably the same ones who cry about Morrowind costing money and not being including in Eso+. Smh.
Listen,
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✭✭White knighting for ZOS isn't going to help move this game in a positive direction, those cosmetic rewards are a big part of MMO's and there is very little of it we can obtain by playing the game, we haven't had a new mount added to the game since launch 3 years ago. So people are in the right to be pissed off about predatory gambling crates.2 -
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✭As a roleplayer this issue affects me greatly, after all cosmetics can be a big part of my playstyle. I loathe having to go through layers and layers of RNG to get what I want. It was good to just have the items up for a limited time and buy then straight from the store.
That said, it is just cosmetics or a few irrelevant items like potions or XP scroll. This is very good considering the pay to win that goes on in other games with those RNG boxes. ESO has it very lightly in my opinion. It is pretty clear they will push the crates no matter what, that ship already sailed, any kind of discussion in the subject is moot.
The best one can do is NOT buy any crate if they want to protest the system. That usually fails since the majority it seems liked the crates and will keep buying but at least you can rest easy knowing you did your part. Sometimes we get what we want, sometimes we don't, that is life.1 -
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✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »
My understanding is that this current generation seem to think that one should never ever complain or protest or even disagree with anything a big company does.
They also seem to hold the conflicting views that it is foolish to expect a company to play fair but that it is also foolish to in any way try to band together as consumers and try to change that.
It's like they have become the perfect little brainwashed anti-activist automatons. Perfect consumers.
I agree with what ZOS are doing though. Am I not allowed to agree with it, and does that make me a little brainwashed anti-activist automaton?
Is it bad that I simply just don't give a damn? I mean I've put thousands of hours into the game and I'm still enjoying it completely. In my eyes spending £40 for some crown crates doesn't even come close to spending how much I think my time spent in the game could be valued at.
Like I'd go to the cinema and spend £10 for an hour of entertainment there. So spending a little bit of money on crates considering the amount of entertainment I've got from ESO doesn't bother me at all.
Hell no you are welcome to agree with them - I don't mind differing views, I mind people telling me I am not allowed to have views.
Personally I have dropped over £2k since launch and while I am not a huge fan of the crate idea was willing to spend enough to get either the drops or the gems to get the 6 apex mounts for each 'season' - happy to spend money on something I spend time playing. At the same time I didn't go dissing the people who felt crates were a rip off because I sort of see their point too...
My issue with the current ones is that the drop rates have gone right down from what I see but if they'd dropped in Apex+ at 1,000 gems then at least there is a goal to shoot for - with what they have done this time is put something with no finish line... to me that crosses the line and I will say so, if it doesn't for you then you are welcome to think that.0 -
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