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All this bitching about Crown Crates
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NukeAllTheThings✭✭✭✭✭All this bitching about people bitching about Crown Crates.
They are voicing their personal opinion and have no impact on you and your opinion. Don't like it, don't read it and go about your way. Odin."it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭I never understood this whine fest either...same thing happens in SWTOR all the time. If you don't like the crates, don't buy em, it's that simple.
Then again, you have people bitching non stop about a 15 dollar a month sub fee too, which makes no sense to me at all.Edited by Drachenfier on June 23, 2017 2:03PM -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
I think the main issue is that some people do very much like the "little pretendy-fun-time items" and are upset that due to them being in crown crates rather than in game or at least openly in crown store they have no realistic chance of ever getting them. -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
Or... It's about what this tells us about the way ZOS is willing to treat their players, and how much they're willing to let marketing design the game for them.
Bitching about bitching, what a bitchy ***.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Look at all these people who didn't read a single argument and have no idea of what people are complaining about
Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will. -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
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Like, for example, yours. You are not presenting a valid argument, since you didn't address any point raised by the community who are against this kind of scheme.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will. -
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✭You can complain about the decrease in value from the crates and quality of the items within while still wanting the extra little pretendy-fun-time items. They're not mutually exclusive. -
ChuckyPayne✭✭✭✭You are right. This is ok. It is not pay to win just a cash-grab styled game, nothing more in it, just cosmetics and comfort.
If you don't like and bother take action to make it less bother
- for example no thank you addon hide announcement
- disable keybind
I got used to it, I don't care and I don't even buy it. -
Absolut_Turkey✭✭✭Reading all these complaints about lockboxes makes me want to go out and buy more lockboxes.Omniel Morningstar - Khajiit - Nightblade
Veyron Galerion - Altmer - Sorcerer
Star-Caller - Argonian - Templar
Aradriel Nightwood - Bosmer - Warden
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've never liked the crates but also never given abuse to those buying them.
I think you will find the anger for these comes from the rather insulting changes ZOS pushed through to make more money from crates.
Formally even with the RNG of crates you could buy enough crates and not get an apex item to just then buy that item with the gems you got. This meant that no matter how bad luck you had, there was a limit on the real money needed to be spent to acquire something.
Now however ZOS has added an extra tier which this doesn't work for, they can't be purchased. This means if you actually want an item you could now in theory pay hundreds of real life currency for it.
It's a very unfair move and a lot of people are taking it as an insult.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." -
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✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit will explain briefly why the con crates they are objected to yes.
They encourage gambling. The chances of getting what you wish for without a significant amount of money exchanging paws is very slim. This was shown by all the testing on the PTS.
They take things that would be in the store and make you gamble to purchase them. They are an unfair transaction because you do not know what you buy before you buy it. If items were in the store directly then many of us would have no issue with a purchase - although this one she does object to exclusive motifs and dyes being in the store as these have previously only been in the game. Taking content available previously in one form and moving it to the more expensive one is a drip, drip process. First one thing, then another and soon all we love about Tamriel has a significant price tag on it.
They very largely contain consumables that not many people want anyway.
The crown gem exchange system is far too low. You will still need to buy many many crates and exchange many duplicates before getting the item you wish for.
They will probably dictate the future content of the store and the game itself - if they prove popular then all of the best items will be crate exclusive. This is the biggest concern for this one. When the Tamriel becomes nothing but a casino and great shiny shopping mall then many of us will cease to enjoy travelling there.
They took Pacrooti and made him into a crazed, crate junkie monster.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Clan Claws - now recruiting khajiit and like minded others for parties, fishing and other khajiit stuff. Contact this one for an invite.
The Santie Claws College of Pocket Engineering - Tange, tange, transfige!
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
https://www.imperialtradingcompany.eu/
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
Very ignorant comment on many levels
A) if you dont care why care about other peoples complaints?
its a part of the game and you pay money for it pf course you have the rigjht to complain and should do so to improve the service for all other customers - if no one ever complains nothing will ever improve
C) reading through all the nix hound topics it seems there might be an unintended bug with the drop rates - of course people should point out bugs so they can be corrected -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ChuckyPayne wrote: »You are right. This is ok. It is not pay to win just a cash-grab styled game, nothing more in it, just cosmetics and comfort.
If you don't like and bother take action to make it less bother
- for example no thank you addon hide announcement
- disable keybind
I got used to it, I don't care and I don't even buy it.
If you dont care than why do you care about peopme buying them and complain...if you dont care, dont care -
rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭rhapsodious wrote: »You can complain about the decrease in value from the crates and quality of the items within while still wanting the extra little pretendy-fun-time items. They're not mutually exclusive.
Try not to show your bias and maybe people will take you seriously.
Eh, what bias? People are mainly complaining about the decrease in value and the skewing of the tiers, along with the exclusive mounts. I'm just saying you can be upset about something that you wanted because it wasn't presented on agreeable terms for you without necessarily being a whiner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -
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✭NukeAllTheThings wrote: »All this bitching about people bitching about Crown Crates.
They are voicing their personal opinion and have no impact on you and your opinion. Don't like it, don't read it and go about your way. Odin.
Odin is right. Always lisiten to Odin."I appear at my lord's behest, or perhaps I was always here, and you merely lacked the ability to see me."
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✭Absolut_Turkey wrote: »Reading all these complaints about lockboxes makes me want to go out and buy more lockboxes.
Whale spotted.
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭They are extra little pretendy-fun-time items that have no impact on the game. Don't like them, don't buy them and go about your way. Jesus.
the problem is the offer mounts that cannot be acquired by playing the game, Mounts are probably more desired by players of the game because gear has very little impact on being able to do all the content in the game. Mounts and skins should be able to be acquired by the people who actually play the whole game. Or as a one time buy , this was just another shady business practice Western MMOs picked up from garbage Asian companies where gambling is a big part of their social culture. Even completely immoral companies like EA didnt take it that far , they at least put mounts in as drops from last bosses in their four man content. then again ZOS made their four man content easier then some of the overland content so i can see why they went this route. they didnt wanna give these things to the barbie doll churn community that dumps tons of cash into a system designed to rip them off. -
NukeAllTheThings✭✭✭✭✭NukeAllTheThings wrote: »All this bitching about people bitching about Crown Crates.
They are voicing their personal opinion and have no impact on you and your opinion. Don't like it, don't read it and go about your way. Odin.
Odin is right. Always lisiten to Odin.
"it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor -
AnviOfVai✭✭✭✭✭
✭NukeAllTheThings wrote: »NukeAllTheThings wrote: »All this bitching about people bitching about Crown Crates.
They are voicing their personal opinion and have no impact on you and your opinion. Don't like it, don't read it and go about your way. Odin.
Odin is right. Always lisiten to Odin.
Well played Sir.
"I appear at my lord's behest, or perhaps I was always here, and you merely lacked the ability to see me."
PS4 - EU
AD - Pet Sorcerer - Damage Dealer - 160
DC - Warden - Werewolf - in - progress - 160
DC - Templar - Tank - 160
DC - Sorcerer - Damage Dealer - in - progress
EP - Dragon Knight -Fire Tank - 160
EP - Nightblade - Damage Dealer - 160 -
Rokushakubo✭✭There is a valid reason for people to be upset: a single pet is heavily weighted and constitutes around 50% of people's drops. Aside from your own personal opinion about crates, there is a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed.
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Like, for example, yours. You are not presenting a valid argument, since you didn't address any point raised by the community who are against this kind of scheme.
I'm not arguing anything though, just stating a fact that an argument isn't the same as a valid argument. There is absolutely nothing to argue about that. -
BattleShipGray1Soul ShrivenSo you start the game and you decide to purchase 5500 Crowns for $40.00 bucks. You opt to buy a Crate package which is basically pot luck. You expect to use the items in the package immediately - but wait - you have to clear out some inventory slots before you can even access your new purchase for each new crate you open. If you are new to the game, you also have to figure out how to use some of the items you just purchased. I can see where some people might feel ripped-off.
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Like, for example, yours. You are not presenting a valid argument, since you didn't address any point raised by the community who are against this kind of scheme.
I'm not arguing anything though, just stating a fact that an argument isn't the same as a valid argument. There is absolutely nothing to argue about that.
Internet meet @Voxicity - he feels there is nothing to argue about in that fairly uncontroversial statement... Internet do your thing!
And I'll start - your statement itself was fine but because of where and how you posted it in the context of a reply to another post you could justly be assumed to be contending that the person to whom you were replying had no valid argument and thus opened the door to them, quite fairly, challenging not your statement but the context and positioning of it - after all if you had not meant to be challenging that poster then why quote them?GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭If the crates themselfs would be consistant with past seasons there would be so much. Most of the complaining is about how rigged its starting to look compared to the past. Just because its asthetic doesnt mean it doesnt impact the game at all. Bad buisness practice can really stain a games rep.
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