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Battlegrounds... Poisons, Viper, and Tremorscale...
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭yeah those set's real fun
took me hours to get them but worth every second
So now i use proc set's allso , i'm not part of the problem , as long as it's legit and zos dont care... i keep murder in non-cp and BGJames-Wayne wrote: »I main a magplar but stopped playing on him due to proc sets... I now use proc sets on a alt stamplar in battlegrounds and enjoying it alot more.
If we get some more magicka proc sets I may go back to magplar.
Sooooo pretty much the only way you've found fun in the new Battlegrounds content is by cheesing, all because that's what other people are doing? Wow. That says an awful about you as a player. Granted there's somewhat no avoiding usage of a proc set (Engine Guardian for example), but damn. In other to keep up, you feel as though you have to cheese to win.
I hope this is an eye-opener to you all at ZOS HQ, at how your content has evolved in such a short timespan. And how players view things in order for them to find "fun" and success. @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn @Wrobel
Heh. So I guess if we don't play the game the way YOU play then we're all "cheesing"
Makes perfect sense.3 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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No blaming proc sets for being broken as hell isn't wrong.If a set allowed you to instant kill 40 people by light attacking one person its broken.Just because they are part of the game doesn't mean its not broken as all hell.Their no good player who will tell you proc sets are broken as hell in PvP.Proc sets and resource poisons are not ruining the game, they are a part of the game. Just like you are. I for one would like to know what sets and/or skills you are using @Ch4mpTW so I or anyone else for that matter could offer you some advice how to counter some of the difficulties you are experiencing in defeating your opponents.
Simply blaming a proc set because it is an effective set is just plain wrong.
My Selene hits harder than my surprise attack and my incap before the 20% damage buff.Those abilities cost resources,proc set cost you nothing.It can turn my 4k surprise attack into 13k worth of damage for free. There no set that gives you more damage than viper on a stambuild. You could have 100% uptime on fury and viper would still be a better set.
The only way to counter proc sets are to either instant nuke that person before his proc go off or build to be a tank.
Stop defending a broken mess because its the only way you can get kills.9 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yoohoo4411 wrote: »yeah those set's real fun
took me hours to get them but worth every second
So now i use proc set's allso , i'm not part of the problem , as long as it's legit and zos dont care... i keep murder in non-cp and BGJames-Wayne wrote: »I main a magplar but stopped playing on him due to proc sets... I now use proc sets on a alt stamplar in battlegrounds and enjoying it alot more.
If we get some more magicka proc sets I may go back to magplar.
Sooooo pretty much the only way you've found fun in the new Battlegrounds content is by cheesing, all because that's what other people are doing? Wow. That says an awful about you as a player. Granted there's somewhat no avoiding usage of a proc set (Engine Guardian for example), but damn. In other to keep up, you feel as though you have to cheese to win.
I hope this is an eye-opener to you all at ZOS HQ, at how your content has evolved in such a short timespan. And how players view things in order for them to find "fun" and success. @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn @Wrobel
Heh. So I guess if we don't play the game the way YOU play then we're all "cheesing"
Makes perfect sense.
It IS cheesing. That's the thing. Call it like it is, and for what it is. People's skills are not killing other people. No. It's the sets that are, and poisons. And if it is a skill that's is killing people, it's residual and passive damage doing so. Do you know how many times I've died from a Hurricane killing me, and or Implosion activating? Do you know how many times I've died only to see my recap filled with Viper and Red Mountain, as well as Hurricane and or Velidreth? It's ridiculous. A cheese build is a cheese build.6 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Guys, proc sets are cheese. I use them, and I use poisons as well. I never said I was a white knight fighting a noble duel. BGs are made for quick, gory 4v4v4 non CP battles, and that is why proc sets excel there. It would be great if we had other types of BGs, like CP300 and max CP ones, so different setups would be better in these, making everyone happy. Much bigger issue is that we still have 4v4v2 scenarios and that is what must be fixed asap.4 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok. Let's make a list.
Get rid of proc sets.
Get rid of hurricane.
Get rid of implosion.
What else?
Get rid of healers? Those are pretty pesky, too.1 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Selene's is also such a pain in BGs... Doesn't take much skill to stack procs."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power2 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ooh! Ooh! Just thought it a few to add to the list.
Jesus beam and Soul Assualt.
Add those to the list to get rid of, too. I've died a few times to those, so they need to go.
What else?3 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Just run 2x resist poison glyphs and 1x resist fire...
If you do that, you sacrifice spell/weapon damage. And or recovery enchantments as well. Not to mention, is that really going to do anything against the full assault of all that damage coming at you?0 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tremorscale is the worst set in this game and I really wish it was tone downed or only accessible to PvE.
Tremorscale simply SHOULDN'T WORK on players, since they can't be taunted. So many of these over performing sets needed tuning rather than the blanket proc-nerf that rendered weaker sets all but useless.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yoohoo4411 wrote: »Ooh! Ooh! Just thought it a few to add to the list.
Jesus beam and Soul Assualt.
Add those to the list to get rid of, too. I've died a few times to those, so they need to go.
What else?
We get it. You need proc sets to be successful, and thus have an issue with me and others complaining about how cheesy they are. That's fine. But at least have the decency in you to call the builds for what they are. Talentless mockeries of PvP, which has gone and ruined Battlegrounds.
You are free to like something as much as you wish, and I'm absolutely okay with that. But, at least call things for what they are, and be honest about it.12 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Tremorscale is the worst set in this game and I really wish it was tone downed or only accessible to PvE.
Tremorscale simply SHOULDN'T WORK on players, since they can't be taunted. So many of these over performing sets needed tuning rather than the blanket proc-nerf that rendered weaker sets all but useless.
@Peekachu99 Agreed. Take Ice Heart or Nerien'eth for an example. Completely garbage just about due to the blanket nerf that was done. When things like: Viper, Red Moubtain, Selene, Grothdarr, Tremorscale, Llambris, etc. are still pretty damn strong. Look at Bogdan, and tell me how in the hell that set has a purpose outside of being useless. Lol. It's function is literally nonexistent. And with the nerf, that trash set became even more terrible.2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Have you tried playing a Magblade in Battlegrounds ? I hear they are in a good place .
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Yoven✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Just run 2x resist poison glyphs and 1x resist fire...
If you do that, you sacrifice spell/weapon damage. And or recovery enchantments as well. Not to mention, is that really going to do anything against the full assault of all that damage coming at you?
I don't know have you tried it? Have you tried to build against proc sets? You know, in the end this is not about proc sets. This is about the way we like to play the game and that is different for all of us. You can win a game by having even teams, focussing on the objective and working as a group, and that has nothing to do with proc sets. Currently the state of BG is not what is should be, ZOS stated that they are working hard on fixing the problems. What remains is how you as a player deal with the situation that presents itself. We can nerf everything into the ground until we can only deal light attacks to eachother and even then one persons light attack will be stronger then another persons light attack. Is that what you want @Ch4mpTW ?
I don't think it is fair to blame the current state of BG to proc sets and that is my opinion.4 -
Didaco✭✭✭✭yeah those set's real fun
took me hours to get them but worth every second
So now i use proc set's allso , i'm not part of the problem , as long as it's legit and zos dont care... i keep murder in non-cp and BGJames-Wayne wrote: »I main a magplar but stopped playing on him due to proc sets... I now use proc sets on a alt stamplar in battlegrounds and enjoying it alot more.
If we get some more magicka proc sets I may go back to magplar.
Sooooo pretty much the only way you've found fun in the new Battlegrounds content is by cheesing...
sooooo... what you sagest? do tel us you solution if there is
Scrap out those damn proc sets from pvp.
They have Battle Spirit, which is this game's solution for pve/pvp balance, yet they don't use it.
Add a new effects in it, like:
You take 50%less damage from Velidreth's, Shadow of the Mountain, Selene's, Viper and Skoria's sets proc effect.
Done.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The set that when you taunt a player he deals 100% more damage to you should be a basic mechanic. That would definitely drive people away from Tremorscale.
"Oh you Tremorscale me? Here take a 20k Incap and a 25k Spectral Bow proc"@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here's another one to add to the ban list!
Sharpened Weapons!!
I mean, I wear heavy armor for a reason!! Amirite?! Some cheezy n00b shouldn't be able to passively ignore all my heavy armor! Where is the skill in that?!?
Nerf sharpened weapons!8 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭Procs are just insane when used against other Stamina classes, but still not as annoying as mag sorcerers.
Or does it require skill to : shield - wrath - shield - fury - frags - 2nd tick of fury -> kill
It's a way for Stamina classes to counter shield stacking ranged dps machinesEdited by Slack on June 21, 2017 11:42AMPC EU
Betty Breeze - Magwarden
Hunts S'hitblades - Stamplar
Aschavi - Magplar2 -
Buffler✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont like the proc set meta in bg's but thought sod it and now run selenes, viper and eternal hunt with oblivion damage glyphs on weapons. I refuse to run poisons though. If you cant beat them.......1 -
Avnr✭✭✭yeah those set's real fun
took me hours to get them but worth every second
So now i use proc set's allso , i'm not part of the problem , as long as it's legit and zos dont care... i keep murder in non-cp and BGJames-Wayne wrote: »I main a magplar but stopped playing on him due to proc sets... I now use proc sets on a alt stamplar in battlegrounds and enjoying it alot more.
If we get some more magicka proc sets I may go back to magplar.
Sooooo pretty much the only way you've found fun in the new Battlegrounds content is by cheesing...
sooooo... what you sagest? do tel us you solution if there is
Scrap out those damn proc sets from pvp.
They have Battle Spirit, which is this game's solution for pve/pvp balance, yet they don't use it.
Add a new effects in it, like:
You take 50%less damage from Velidreth's, Shadow of the Mountain, Selene's, Viper and Skoria's sets proc effect.
Done.
OK
untill then run proc and have fum like the rest0 -
SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭If you need convincing that proc sets are currently in an unhealthy state, then take a look at a certain magicka sorc wearing a set of medium armor solely to take advantage of consistent 9k proc damage. A magicka sorc in medium armor haha!
I wear Viper on every one of my stam DDs. Its simply too effective not to wear it. I don't like proc sets and would prefer them to be removed or toned down or the mechanic changed in some way. Until then, I'm not going to handicap myself in BGs and Open World, nor am I going to ask someone else to change their builds. I don't have a good answer for how they need to be changed. And I don't want them to lose their effectiveness in PVP. Maybe Battlespirit should reduce their damage by 50% or so.
My stamplar DD has 29k health wearing all impen. I can get melted pretty easily by a single hit from a stam nb in stealth who gets his enchant, selenes, viper, and red mountain to hit all at once. There's no ready defense against it. I don't even get mad when I get melted, because I'm just kind of resigned to the fact that fate decided they should all go off at once and kill me.
I don't know why every conversation has to be so polarized with so much hate and nastiness. It is indisputable that proc sets are over preforming in PvP. Don't get mad at the folks who wear them, because they'd be stupid not to. If you wear procs, don't get mad when people mention they are over performing, because the reason you care so much is that they are so clearly effective. People get mad at certain players for running full proc sets and use it as a way to dismiss even clearly talented players, but they would actually be stupid not to wear it. If you choose not to, then cool, but don't hate on others who do. Just calmly voice your opinion that they are over preforming a bit to the development team and hope they make a sensible change.Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
"We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome." - The Balance Lord Wrobel
- And now it sure does, better learn how to bash folks!
I get by with a little help from logic.6 -
Fiskerton✭✭✭Would PvP be better if it was gw2 style? (in gw2 everything is base in PvP. Your armor is purely cosmetic and the only thing your weapons determine is your abilities)Edited by Fiskerton on June 21, 2017 12:58PM3 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's hard to pass judgment on BG's as of now since you can't play in a group and the matchmaking is purely random nonsense. In group settings poisons and CC's can be purged much easier. Co-ordination, communication and support will be far more powerful than solo built proc builds also.
So let's all relax and remember that without proper matchmaking and a ranking system, we may as well be banging our heads against ZOS headquarters.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Another day, another death recap filled with Viper, Viper, poison, poison, ability.
It's gotten to the point where I've challenged myself to see if I can manage to get a death recap that is ALL proc damage. Wish me luck.
@Tonturri I've come pretty close just a few moments ago. But, almost there. Lol.
Lol you let oSyn kill you . Honestly the only things I don't like about BG's are the que times and the unfilled matches. Proctards usually die too fast for me to notice them. 0 -
hamburgerler76✭✭✭✭Yea if I had people to play with I might not run my viper veli and black rose build but I'm solo and whenever I go in its me with 1 or 2 randoms against a pre made or 2 it's only way I can get kills in there untill they make a match making system to que solo with solo and group with group0 -
Bakkagami✭✭✭Best thing to do is simply to have the proc sets on a shared cool down. That would mitigate the 13k+ of instant damage that goes off instantly and encourage build diversity. For the most part the sets themselves aren't vastly imbalanced. (Barring viper as there should never be a 100% chance for a proc to occur without some other prerequisite. I honestly don't know why/how an outlier set like that made it through testing as one look at it would tell you it is in a league of its own in terms of cost/reward) However, the issue really lies in combining them. Though the changes to sustain were meant to find a balance between recourse management and damage combining those sets allow for players to completely bypass those balance changes as they can light attack and pull out burst that is on par, if not greater than the strongest ultimate or skill rotations. That just result in the same issue as before: max damage w/o sustain requirement.Edited by Bakkagami on June 21, 2017 2:19PM3 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Poisons were introduced to mitigate CP advantages that combined with gear in an older sustain meta. New meta, same poisons.
Without CP, Poisons are just out of balance. I use them because they get used on me, but I'd like to see them gone from all no CP PvP. BGs just magnify this problem.
Proc Set Damage could either scale with your damage stats or take a battle spirit nerf.
I liked the idea of no CP battlegrounds and it was great at first. Now, I want my CP back to help me survive all the damage thrown at me with little to no cost to the attacker... but do I? Maybe I just want there to be better balance in no CP.
The resource attrition fight balance is upset by proc sets.
I wish I could remember who, but someone had a great idea that proc sets should no longer have impen trait, which would greatly decrease the desire for PvPers without messing with PvE. Maybe only the sets that do damage as opposed to mitigation/resource buff sets. I'm curious to see if a single action like that is the best solution.Fear is the Mindkiller1
