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The Solution to Proc Sets
GrumpyDuckling
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1) Return them to their original form that allowed for critical damage.
2) Slap Battle Spirit on them. Like shields, they are half as effective in PVP areas.
2) Slap Battle Spirit on them. Like shields, they are half as effective in PVP areas.
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »But ZOS has fallen in love with this style of game play. So RIP
I'd fall in love with it too. Procs sets look and feel really cool to use. I mean, a giant spectral bear mauling my opponent? Sign me up!
Keep the style of play, but experiment with ways to improve it. Give PTS the chance to test battle spirit procs and see how it works.5 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?4 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets.
This all day. This will make a very definite trade off for proc sets. I also think dropping proc set power but making them scale with weapon/spell damage only will also help as this takes away from resource stacking/regen and therefore makes another trade in automatic damage vs you ability to use class abilities. Today it is too easy to do both, making those whom choose procs to do good skill damage while also getting big damage bumps from procs. That was opposite of the whole intention of Morrowind.PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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Wrecking_Blow_Spam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Delete them all, including weapons and just have barefist fightsdwemer_paleologist wrote: »it's a good start.
what else you got?
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ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets.
This all day. This will make a very definite trade off for proc sets. I also think dropping proc set power but making them scale with weapon/spell damage only will also help as this takes away from resource stacking/regen and therefore makes another trade in automatic damage vs you ability to use class abilities. Today it is too easy to do both, making those whom choose procs to do good skill damage while also getting big damage bumps from procs. That was opposite of the whole intention of Morrowind.
To me it just seems like the most rational, least intrusive solution, which creates a sort of baked-in counter play. Rather than tweaking the math all day long and inevitably making everyone mad. Just make Proc sets less appealing for PvP play. Let the players decide if the trade off is worth it.
Wanna do big numbers? You gotta sacrifice some survivability."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?1 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭Let's ask to remove all gears and all stats, all lvl 1s, no characteristic points, no CPS etc... will then you all be happy? :S0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets.
Not a bad idea. However what's happens to gear already acquired. Turn everyone's Inpen gear to prosperous lmao.
Especially things like monster sets that are difficult to drop. Like Inpen medium grothdar from the chest. People might have spent 100 keys to get it. Or purchased gear from weekly vendor.Edited by Koolio on June 20, 2017 6:07PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zos removed the crit to balance them for PvE knowing full well it did very little for PvP since most avid players in Cyrodiil stack inpen anyhow.
They cannot be that ignorant of their game to think otherwise. Ok. Nvm0 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets.
Not a bad idea. However what's happens to gear already acquired. Turn everyone's Inpen gear to prosperous lmao.
I dunno, make it like Reinforced or something, that's the closest defensive equivalent, right?"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »Like I said in the other thread...
Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait. This makes them less appealing for PvP (since it makes you easier to kill) without affecting PvE content (since basically no one stacks Impen for PvE).
Yeah, folks will still occasionally get proc-nuked, but much less often since fewer people will run multiple proc sets.
This all day. This will make a very definite trade off for proc sets. I also think dropping proc set power but making them scale with weapon/spell damage only will also help as this takes away from resource stacking/regen and therefore makes another trade in automatic damage vs you ability to use class abilities. Today it is too easy to do both, making those whom choose procs to do good skill damage while also getting big damage bumps from procs. That was opposite of the whole intention of Morrowind.
To me it just seems like the most rational, least intrusive solution, which creates a sort of baked-in counter play. Rather than tweaking the math all day long and inevitably making everyone mad. Just make Proc sets less appealing for PvP play. Let the players decide if the trade off is worth it.
Wanna do big numbers? You gotta sacrifice some survivability.
The last sentence caught my attention. I've said it before that it's a poor design to be able to go for survival and yet still do solid damage with proc sets.1 -
Phica_Lovic✭✭✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Delete them all, including weapons and just have barefist fightsdwemer_paleologist wrote: »it's a good start.
what else you got?
Nice backwards quote.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Proc sets are ZOS's way of raising the floor.
All the babies who cry about AC, can put these on and have a better chance at getting a kill.0 -
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✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Delete them all, including weapons and just have barefist fightsdwemer_paleologist wrote: »it's a good start.
what else you got?
Barefist fights you say?
Here is a representation of endgame pvp....
https://youtu.be/E4PNQRlBh5k
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Faylis✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait.
This, so much this.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I had 4 vipers on my recap today
+ one ambush by a 35k hp nb for 800.
Proc sets letting bad players deal questionable damage since 2014.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Proc sets are ZOS's way of raising the floor.
All the babies who cry about AC, can put these on and have a better chance at getting a kill.
Yeah but people can use proc sets and still supplement that with AC... so what's your point?Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »Proc sets are ZOS's way of raising the floor.
All the babies who cry about AC, can put these on and have a better chance at getting a kill.
Yeah but people can use proc sets and still supplement that with AC... so what's your point?
His point is the people who cry about AC are usually bad and are the type of people to run around in a zerg and chase a player half way across the map.
Now those same players can pvp with their 35k hp build and deal decent dmg with procs to supplement their 2k snipes.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Azurethe✭✭✭I was thinking the same exact idea for them, let them critical and be cut in half by battlespirit, so they can be stacked, but negated hard by crit resist0
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✭But ... Procc sets ARE affected by battlespirit already (the exception being stat buffs and oblivion damage).
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✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Make it so proc sets cannot carry the Impenetrable trait.
Wouldn't that still leave 5 Impregnable, 5 Proc set, 1 monster proc set as a viable option?Pandora's Promise (rip) | LND | Pactriotic | IKnowWhatUDidLastWinter's | The Uninvited |
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most people in PvP dont use impen on EVERY available piece anyway. I generally run a maximum of 5 pieces impen, after that other traits become more desirable to me.1 -
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✭✭Make proc sets crit again and rebalance overperforming proc sets. There is no magic trick that'll balance all proc sets are once, you can't tell me with a straight face that they are overperforming while looking at Ashen Grip, Bogdan or Ice furnace.
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✭The solution is to make them scale appropriately, like everything else, with max resource and wpn/spell dmge. So tanks and in no cp they aren't as dominant.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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