I believe they are EST.

Time itself may be of Padomay, but the attempt to define it into orderly little bits - Anuic.








* I could be wrong though.

You see my initial assumption was that

time=change=padomaic, and clocks=mechanical=very orderly and structured=anuic
This created a conflict in that we were measuring change with order

However i have since learned that time was separated from change by trinimac, and time is in fact an anuic force full stop. Mechanical things, however, have their origin entierly from purely padomaic entities, and so could be considered padomaic forces, doubly so that magic is in general considered to be anuic and mechanical things are somewhat of an ideological oposite of magical things, at least on the surface, but thats just my assumption.

This does me no good however because now we are measuing an anuic force through padomaic means. Does this make the clock padomaic?

p.s., i did confirm that clocks actually exist. I assumed they did because clockwork things exist, but i was not certain they existed

Hm. Isn't time actually just an illusion and the only thing that exists as a time measure is matter's movement in space?

But idk, everything is relative....except that particular statement. For if that statement is also relative, then at times everyting is not relative. Then again if it's always true that everyting is relative, then that statemet is absolute, and hence not everything is relative.

42 maybe?

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I believe they are EST.

Elder scrolls time right?

and why would a clock be either one?

If it can be either one then I would say it depend on its creator

Honesty is the best policy, as far as I know.

First time I have heard these terms, I think? Either way this is a way deeper conversation than I am used to.

I don't even understand the question, i'm not even going to hazard a guess at the answer

Clocks as a "thing" aren't either padomaic nor anuic. As a measuring tool, they measure something that doesn't exist for Anuic and that Padomaic have no control over.

LukosCreyden wrote: »

product,

So would you then say that daedric artifacts are not padomaic and just nothing as well?

Bringer wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

product,

So would you then say that daedric artifacts are not padomaic and just nothing as well?

Daedric artifacts are created by padomaic beings. Take the Wabbajak, for example. It causes changes in things, unpredictable and chaotic changes. It's effects are padomaic. But, what of the staff, as an object? It is a staff. Unless influenced by outside means, it will remain a staff. Is that anuic? If it doesn't get used, does it have a purpose? Does anything change? My characters in Skyrim was given the Wabbajak, I put it in a display stand and left it there. It sat there doing nothing, in stasis, as it were.

Keep in mind, though, the concepts of anu and padomay are very complex, it may be impossible to label something as one or the other, as in many ways, they could encompass both concepts.

I'll answer this question with a question: Is Auriel (Akatosh) Anuic or Padomaic.

With regards to time they could even be considered contradictory terms as the Anuic 'fitting' of linear time (which, incidentally only came into existence via a Padomaic reaction by Anuic beings to Lorkhan's formation of matter...or whatever) creates an order or stability to regulate and comprehend a previously eternal and unknowable concept of non-linear time. Basically making 'order' and 'stability' for a chaotic and unbound term. Order vs Chaos, Stasis vs Change.

The difficulty is that the inception of linear time actually forms a quantifiable and knowable understanding of 'progression' i.e 'change' that is both constant and unstoppable/inevitable (to a degree). So the Anuic conception of time is both stasis/order and constant change/flux. In practice. this creates no end of loops and time prisms that contradict each other as various entities in the TES setting can alter time, even retroactively with very noticeable effects (depending on what types of trees are in Cyrodiil today...).

Padomaic concepts suggest chaos but the Padomaic Void (and Sithis etc.) is also an eternal, unknowable stasis or nothingness, suggesting order. Because this non-linear time/nothingness is cyclic (sort of; everything and anything can and is happening at once/not at all) rather than linear, it forms it's own sort of stasis/order where there is no 'progression' of time/events because everything that can/will happen, already has (and is currently, and will happen again right now, and again next Fredas; except it won't because Fredas is a means of linear structure to time which doesn't exist except when it does/did/will...)

Is Static Chaos substantively different to Chaotic Stasis?

Anuic/Padomaic are just lenses mortals use to try and conceptualise the same thing in TES. They overlap and contradict.

But clocks are (presumably) made on Nirn so they're, in the most basic sense, a Padomaic means of measuring Anuic linear time, so let's just say they're both/neither so nobody is right/wrong and everyone can interpret it their own merry way (welcome to TES Lore....)

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