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✭I don't use the addon myself and I don't give a
if anyone else uses it. You want to peek at my loot? Do it. If I get some pieces I don't need I will link it anyways and give away for free. If I don't link it, then sorry but I want that thing for myself. 3 -
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.7 -
Absalon✭✭✭Massive_Stain wrote: »...should be banned!
i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!
i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.
and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!
Let's see. You came to forums to qq and said you are not interested into reasoning? Go back to reddit.
Addons that show other's ppl loot to someone work only if grouped with ppl. From what you wrote, you are- unable to find ppl that understand simple no
- one of these game breaking lag creating 24ppl dolmen zerglings.
Also, these addons are not cheating tools such is miat's or similar, it simply tells you that XX from your group got Y loot. It is ment to be simple solution, helping trading in group without ppl linking stuff after each boss fight or similar. As you stated, no one is forcing you to trade, so what is the big deal? Word of advice - L2Forums/L2Behave/L2Play.
Whatever. Its a crap add-on for snoopy little wannabe peeping toms.
How non-americans are supposed to understand this "snoopy little wannabe peeping toms" LolMassive_Stain wrote: »...should be banned!
i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!
i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.
and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!
Let's see. You came to forums to qq and said you are not interested into reasoning? Go back to reddit.
Addons that show other's ppl loot to someone work only if grouped with ppl. From what you wrote, you are- unable to find ppl that understand simple no
- one of these game breaking lag creating 24ppl dolmen zerglings.
Also, these addons are not cheating tools such is miat's or similar, it simply tells you that XX from your group got Y loot. It is ment to be simple solution, helping trading in group without ppl linking stuff after each boss fight or similar. As you stated, no one is forcing you to trade, so what is the big deal? Word of advice - L2Forums/L2Behave/L2Play.
Whatever. Its a crap add-on for snoopy little wannabe peeping toms.
How non-americans are supposed to understand this "snoopy little wannabe peeping toms"? LOL Mate, I think you're not meant to play MMOs, probably you'd be happier with single player stuff, also other players would be better without you here aswell...CP 810 (PC-NA)
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
Go ahead and save this comment, rest assured this thread is going to be posted again in a month or so.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
Go ahead and save this comment, rest assured this thread is going to be posted again in a month or so.
Cant really add to the old threads about this. Would have to use the search function and going snooping through all the old threads. And that my friend, is an invasion of privacy that will not be tolerated!Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on June 15, 2017 3:10PM3 -
Agalloch✭✭✭✭✭OP this is a MMO . Also many items have a trade cooldown timer. So its nice to see what dropped in a dungeon or trial. Its a feature of almost any MMO.1
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✭✭This may have been mentioned before, but I feel the best option IS to add a option If you won't want your loot broadcast in the API, then ZOS should allow you to turn it off/on in the game setup screen. That would solve the problem for those who seek privacy, and for the rest of us who don't care, we can continue to have our loot listed for our guildies. Problem solved 3 -
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ZOS have better things to focus on.This may have been mentioned before, but I feel the best option IS to add a option If you won't want your loot broadcast in the API, then ZOS should allow you to turn it off/on in the game setup screen. That would solve the problem for those who seek privacy, and for the rest of us who don't care, we can continue to have our loot listed for our guildies. Problem solved - PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
No, sorry, ZoS does not get to redefine an existing word. Words have meaning. I think this thread has solidified it for me though, if someone asks me for a piece of loot that I picked up and have not linked, they aren't getting it. If they are going to insist on invading my privacy with that add-on, they are forfeiting their rights for me to consider giving them that piece. Actions have consequences, and if ZoS wont enforce them, I will.1 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
No, sorry, ZoS does not get to redefine an existing word. Words have meaning. I think this thread has solidified it for me though, if someone asks me for a piece of loot that I picked up and have not linked, they aren't getting it. If they are going to insist on invading my privacy with that add-on, they are forfeiting their rights for me to consider giving them that piece. Actions have consequences, and if ZoS wont enforce them, I will.
You don't get moral high ground points for enforcing a standard that you just invented. If you get off on keeping stuff you won't need, at least have the courage to lie when asked.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
No, sorry, ZoS does not get to redefine an existing word. Words have meaning. I think this thread has solidified it for me though, if someone asks me for a piece of loot that I picked up and have not linked, they aren't getting it. If they are going to insist on invading my privacy with that add-on, they are forfeiting their rights for me to consider giving them that piece. Actions have consequences, and if ZoS wont enforce them, I will.
The existing word and the definition for it doesn't have any precedence over shared items in an online multiplayer game. That stuff is set to be able to be traded to other players in your group for a reason. ZOS wants people to trade this stuff when they don't need it to someone who does need it.
Traditionally MMOs have shared this information, ESO is no different, excepting that by default it does not show the information.
Feel free to go on being a s'wit about it though, that's your prerogative.
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The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.1 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
Bottom line is that there are more people, both those who need items and those happy to give them away, that are convenienced by this. Stop pretending that there's some moral question here.7 -
mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
You have yet to articulate any coherent reason as to why you have some fundamental right to withhold that information from the group to begin with, so I don't really know how you can expect anyone to take you seriously when you bring such melodramatic absurdities as "morally defensible" into it.7 -
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ZOS have better things to focus on.This may have been mentioned before, but I feel the best option IS to add a option If you won't want your loot broadcast in the API, then ZOS should allow you to turn it off/on in the game setup screen. That would solve the problem for those who seek privacy, and for the rest of us who don't care, we can continue to have our loot listed for our guildies. Problem solved
ZOS have better things to focus on.This may have been mentioned before, but I feel the best option IS to add a option If you won't want your loot broadcast in the API, then ZOS should allow you to turn it off/on in the game setup screen. That would solve the problem for those who seek privacy, and for the rest of us who don't care, we can continue to have our loot listed for our guildies. Problem solved
Having done a little programming myself, I don't think it would be that big of a deal for them to add a on/off button that would inhibit broadcasting of the loot information in the API. Sure, there are a lot of things that need fixing, but I consider this a "Quality Of Life" feature that need to be added once in awhile also.
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✭✭✭✭✭The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
It's not convenient to me at all really. I only run group content with people I know who we regularly go in together saying "I'm looking for X" and we trade with each other all the time.
I support this because it's a non issue, standard for this type of game and people are wetting their pants for no reason.
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Meld777✭✭✭✭✭To be honest, it's truly ridiculous what intrusion the API allows. What if I don't want people to see my buffs/debuffs, mundus stone, the amount of my champion points (the ones beyond 630), etc.?
The fact you can see what other people are looting is way over the top. I can recall 2 conflicts I had over loot that could've been avoided if they weren't able to see it. Yes, I need that Moondancer for an alt, and no, I don't care you've been farming it for months for your main. RNG sucks. Took me 600+ vMA runs to get my Inferno.
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Arkvoril✭✭✭The way I see it.....you are in a group of people and all loot the same body or chest. Everyone would know what was in said loot chest or dead body. I do understand your point though OP, but to me it seems fair for people to see all loot in a dungeon. I picture in my mind the group searching through the loot seeing it all, maybe straws are pulled or coins flipped. Its the way I justify it myself. I don't use it though. I just ask and hope.NA/PC
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RIGHTEOUS_REPORT✭✭✭Oh my days ZM.
All I get in dungeons now days is ''PASS ME THIS'', ''PASS ME THAT'' I kept replying with ''I dont have that item sorry'' and I'm slammed with comments like ''I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU HAVE PICKED UP'' So I was very worried by this point I thought these human gretchins were hackers but nooooo, You allow these hack addons which allow other players to know EXACTLY what you pick up in dungeons? WTF is this?
So you allow bloody hack addons but you refuse to allow players to deactivate the bloody block icon?
It breaks immersion and creates tension and rage.
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✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
You have yet to articulate any coherent reason as to why you have some fundamental right to withhold that information from the group to begin with, so I don't really know how you can expect anyone to take you seriously when you bring such melodramatic absurdities as "morally defensible" into it.
And you have yet to articulate why you have a fundamental right to see what I picked up. Because an add-on lets you do it? Because ZoS allows the API for it? Forgive me if I believe I have a right to not tell you what I had for dinner. Let me guess, you also support any and all information gathering on you. You think its ok that google reads your keystrokes and saves your internet searches to sell you products just because you used their search engine. You also think its ok that you have no inherent rights at all, only what other people(whether its businesses, government, religious institutions or some other form of authority) tell you you have. Would you feel its ok for say google to watch you anytime you left your house and until you returned just because you chose to use their service? You telling me I have no right to privacy just because I play this game doesn't make it true, It doesn't matter if ZoS explicitly states that by agreeing to play the game, I agree to this snooping via third party programs using this API, it STILL does not invalidate the argument that I have a right to privacy. Sure, I play the game, sure ZoS allows it, but...I still have free will here which means that in response to the violation of privacy, my reaction is nullify any advantage another player is trying to gain by refusing to trade an item discovered by this method. Actions and consequences. I still have a right to privacy, even if its being violated, even if I accept it being violated as a cost of playing the game, I can still choose to protest that act in this way.1 -
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✭✭✭The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
Personally I don't use it and I have actually felt just a tiny bit odd when other peope have used it on me but I think this thread has made it clear to me...given how....silly people freaking out over this sound, I shall install and use this next time I farm
I'm genuinely confused. Of course it's convenience. Since when has convenience become evil? It can actually be convenient for BOTH sides as there's no need to spam chat with everything you got(which people sometimes forget to do even if you ask them prior to the run). But that aside, I'm genuinely confused on how it's such an awfully big deal. You're acting as though the addon lets them see your RL name, address, email, phone number and all of your "closed" livejournal posts at once - at least that'd be the kind of thing that can justify such a level of "personal space infringement" outrage. But in reality all you get is a different pick from the same loot pool all of you share in the instance, and the only people who can see it are the very people who helped you complete this instance.
...are you guys getting some secret loot we peasants are unaware of? What is it that you want to hide so much?;)3 -
Ruckly✭✭✭✭I feel bad for the moderators. This thread must be getting painful.
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Like crossing an abyss of tears into purgatory.Edited by Ruckly on June 15, 2017 8:30PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The only reason you even support this is because its convenient to you. There is no morally defensible reason to support it. Again, I have absolutely nothing against sharing loot I don't need or want, I do have something against you snooping into what I received as loot. If you cant be bothered to ask nicely for what you are looking for prior to or after the dungeon is complete, I cant be bothered enough to reward your snooping.
You have yet to articulate any coherent reason as to why you have some fundamental right to withhold that information from the group to begin with, so I don't really know how you can expect anyone to take you seriously when you bring such melodramatic absurdities as "morally defensible" into it.
And you have yet to articulate why you have a fundamental right to see what I picked up. Because an add-on lets you do it? Because ZoS allows the API for it? Forgive me if I believe I have a right to not tell you what I had for dinner. Let me guess, you also support any and all information gathering on you. You think its ok that google reads your keystrokes and saves your internet searches to sell you products just because you used their search engine. You also think its ok that you have no inherent rights at all, only what other people(whether its businesses, government, religious institutions or some other form of authority) tell you you have. Would you feel its ok for say google to watch you anytime you left your house and until you returned just because you chose to use their service? You telling me I have no right to privacy just because I play this game doesn't make it true, It doesn't matter if ZoS explicitly states that by agreeing to play the game, I agree to this snooping via third party programs using this API, it STILL does not invalidate the argument that I have a right to privacy. Sure, I play the game, sure ZoS allows it, but...I still have free will here which means that in response to the violation of privacy, my reaction is nullify any advantage another player is trying to gain by refusing to trade an item discovered by this method. Actions and consequences. I still have a right to privacy, even if its being violated, even if I accept it being violated as a cost of playing the game, I can still choose to protest that act in this way.
Put your morals where your mouth is and stop playing if it's really a problem.
Bottom line is it's loot you picked up in a multiplayer environment with a specific trade mechanism that allows for potential trading of the item within the group that was with you when you picked it up. No one here cares what you had for dinner. No one here cares what you type into google. What people do care about is going into a team based encounter and maybe a little teamwork in terms of getting the loot they need.
The only other alternative we've seen in this genre is a single loot drop and the team /rolling for it. That sucks.
Sure, if you have a right to protest it, actions and consequences right? Others using that same right can object.Edited by Sigtric on June 15, 2017 7:49PM
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RIGHTEOUS_REPORT✭✭✭I bet this API hack is lagging my game out sometimes when the game is solid 60FPS someone will join us and completely lag out the game, could be the server, its only a theory at this moment but has anyone properly tested these API installs?0
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✭✭These add ons are so helpful to end game raids when it comes to loot distribution, you care bears already got group damage taken away, please leave this one alone!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RIGHTEOUS_REPORT wrote: »I bet this API hack is lagging my game out sometimes when the game is solid 60FPS someone will join us and completely lag out the game, could be the server, its only a theory at this moment but has anyone properly tested these API installs?
API Hack? You have no clue wtf you're talking about.
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Dracofyre✭✭✭✭dont call me lying, it has already happened, now 3 days ago, i was asked about item i looted solo, been wondering how he knew.
that all i had to say. enough!!!
again, if i dont need it after i scribed into my motif library, i will post a link in chat.Edited by Dracofyre on June 15, 2017 8:15PM0 -
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
You say 'no'. Really simple.
The idea that this is an invasion of privacy is absurd. ZOS defines what privacy is in ESO. Developers define what privacy is in online games. They have decided that your build is private, as is your inventory. What is not private is certain loot you pick up while grouped with other people.
So please stop throwing around the word "privacy" as if your complaint is self-evident. There is no reason why you should have any more privacy pickup up loot than you have privacy picking produce in the supermarket. Whether or not people decide to approach you is up to them.
The best way to avoid such problems is to have your groceries delivered or to not play multiplayer games.
No, sorry, ZoS does not get to redefine an existing word. Words have meaning. I think this thread has solidified it for me though, if someone asks me for a piece of loot that I picked up and have not linked, they aren't getting it. If they are going to insist on invading my privacy with that add-on, they are forfeiting their rights for me to consider giving them that piece. Actions have consequences, and if ZoS wont enforce them, I will.
You reap what you sow. If you want to be a s'wit to people, you will get the same treatment from people. You don't share loot, you aren't going to get loot from others.
Seeing what you pick up on the floor is "invading your privacy"? OK. I guess seeing your face is also "invading your privacy". You shouldn't go out then.Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 15, 2017 8:19PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!3
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