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Aisle9✭✭✭✭✭
✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I use an addon that does this, but most the time people I run with post what they get in chat anyway, I dont care if you run it and see my loot, If I get something epic then I'd rather let them see my epic loot
And if I have no use for it and they need it I'll happily trade them
There's a difference between you sharing info about what you looted and people being able to snoop through my inventory without my consent.
If there was an AddOn that allowed you to share your inventory info with others, that would be no problem at all.
Or if the current API needed the consent of the player you're trying to inspect and by default all players would be blocked.
That way, people would have to opt-in into being inspected and could opt-out at any time.
All of these would be OK.
The current implementation is not ...
Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭I don't see the issue. For these addons to be a problem, one of two things must be true: either players are entitled to hide their drops from party members or allowing players to do so provides some significant benefit. I don't see how either of those things is legit.
Would hiding loot drops provide some value beyond "people won't whisper me asking for my loot"? I imagine the people who are annoying now would continue to pester people asking "what'd you get?" But if there's some actual benefit I haven't thought of, I'd love to know.2 -
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✭✭✭I fail to see the problem. When people ask you, you can say no. More information is better.
It is just loot info. Why should that be secret? There is a trade window. It is better if everyone knows what is available for trade. I have no idea what I am looking for until I see it.
Just say I need it for an alt if you want to keep it.1 -
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Completely untrue.Dungeon loot sharing was created for sharing loot with friends, not strangers in PUG.
It was created for trading loot with people you were with when you cleared the content. It has nothing to do with friendship.
Sure, some people don't give a crap about anyone who isn't their friend. But even among those people, they don't lose much by swapping a piece they are planning on deconning.
If people feel uncomfortable saying know, learn how to say no. It is important in life to know how to say no in a way that is respectful and gracious. Reciprocity guilt should not dictate your life.
Edited by DaveMoeDee on June 14, 2017 5:19PM4 -
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✭I use an add-on that happens to have this function integrated into it. Didn't know it was but I like it. I don't pug a lot so everyone always ends up posting what they got anyways so people can trade and gear up. Nothing wrong with the function. If someone won't stop bothering you that's a people problem not an add-on problem. Don't ruin it for the rest of us who use it responsibly.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!4 -
phbell✭✭✭✭OP must have a really good life if something this small is the source of such aggravation. I find that the word "NO" works just fine. Getting pestered in a video game for digital stuff is a luxury problem of the highest order.5 -
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✭✭✭One reason i like ps4 the economy is better no mods ramming prices into the ground via undercuts to sell faster, and no bag snoopers.1 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
Edited by SirAndy on June 14, 2017 5:40PM3 -
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✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I use an addon that does this, but most the time people I run with post what they get in chat anyway, I dont care if you run it and see my loot, If I get something epic then I'd rather let them see my epic loot
And if I have no use for it and they need it I'll happily trade them
There's a difference between you sharing info about what you looted and people being able to snoop through my inventory without my consent.
If there was an AddOn that allowed you to share your inventory info with others, that would be no problem at all.
Or if the current API needed the consent of the player you're trying to inspect and by default all players would be blocked.
That way, people would have to opt-in into being inspected and could opt-out at any time.
All of these would be OK.
The current implementation is not ...
Ah, the classic. Have no idea what he talks about. Comments anyway.0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on June 14, 2017 5:51PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, I don't care for that addon either. Every time I get a good drop someone will start begging for it, then get rude when I tell them I'm keeping it.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
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You act like the second I see you got a piece I want I can grab it. No I can't see your eighteen crusty dibella statues, so don't worry. All I can see is the loot you yanked from the corpse of a boss.
And had it not been for this add on, there'd be a lot of people still farming from runs I'm in. I gave away scathing divines last night because I didn't need it and someone did, and only did so because they asked when they saw me loot it.
Edited by DocFrost72 on June 14, 2017 6:27PM2 -
Grymmoire✭✭✭✭All this hoopla regarding the effect of this add-on could simply be avoided by posters in objection, by just claiming they are against; violated; annoyed; or any other negative adjective they prefer, rather than insisting the add-on 'snoops' or 'looks' into ones bag or inventory.
@SirAndy just a note. As you wrote in your reply to @Aisle9 "Failed attempt at semantics...", Simply no. It had nothing to do with any interpretation or meaning of the sentence you wrote. They way you originally described the add-on, it was simply inaccurate as to how you stated the add-on works, i.e. "There's a difference between you sharing info about what you looted and people being able to snoop through my inventory without my consent."
To add confusion, your closing remark "The current implementation is not ..." was left to interpretation. Was it meant to imply the add-on does snoop into bags or was it meant to imply it is not OK?
Regardless, your opinion on use of this add-on is nevertheless not denigrated.1 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont care if it is looking into my "bags" it is STILL in violation of my privacy, this is MY loot, not theirs, they have no right to even see what I got from the drop. Again, I am more than happy to give them whatever they are asking for, but is it so difficult for them to type a sentence or two into group chat and ask for it like a human being instead of acting like the NSA and surveiling your drops? Its an unethical(inethical?) way to acquire information. Its like someone flying a drone into your fenced in backyard to see that you have a car they are looking for, then using that information to ask if you want to sell that car, its the principal of the thing.1 -
Ruckly✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.0 -
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✭This topic again. Are you kidding me.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Failed attempt at semantics ...Except it's not what it does.
There's no such thing as an addon that let you "inspect other people's inventory".
LUI has a chat message that say "PlayerX looted ItemY[Divines]"
Also, in order to see it, you have to be grouped with that person, so...
I've run my fair share of group content and i know exactly what the AddOn does and doesn't.
My point (that you conveniently ignored) still stands:
Not only do players need the option to opt-out of providing that information, ZOS also needs to reverse the logic so that everyone is protected by default and players need to actively opt-in to share their loot info.
While I agree it is semantics, it is hardly failed. Because people keep posting I hate people bag snooping and going through my inventory. And the addon doesn't do that. That is out right false. It can not do that. They cry over and over they feel violated because someone is going through their inventory. But that doesn't happen.
If I was carrying my groceries home from the store and someone walked up and started digging through my bag, I'd feel uncomfortable and maybe violated depending on which store I came out of. That makes sense. Not what the addon does.
If that person was is in the store and saw me bag my items I don't feel violated at all. What the addon does.
I guess that is why I disagree with you semantics arguement. The feelings those two situation bring out are completely different. But people keep claiming it is the first situation they are in. But it isn't. It is the second.
If you don't like it fine. But Don't make up false reasons to not like it.
Not the best example. What if you're in the grocery store and you get the last box of golden grahams and someone offers to trade you a jar of peanut butter for it.
I put them on my ignore list, and drop the group?
Am I doing this right?Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on June 14, 2017 6:45PM1 -
Grymmoire✭✭✭✭Not speaking for @vyndral13preub18_ESO, but if it were me, I would find the customer with the container of chocolate syrup, get the three of us together on a lawn of dandelions and have a delicious feast!
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Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I dont care if it is looking into my "bags" it is STILL in violation of my privacy, this is MY loot, not theirs, they have no right to even see what I got from the drop. Again, I am more than happy to give them whatever they are asking for, but is it so difficult for them to type a sentence or two into group chat and ask for it like a human being instead of acting like the NSA and surveiling your drops? Its an unethical(inethical?) way to acquire information. Its like someone flying a drone into your fenced in backyard to see that you have a car they are looking for, then using that information to ask if you want to sell that car, its the principal of the thing.
Think of it this way - if you were indeed a group of adventurers killing a monster together, they'd most certainly see what you looted off its corpse...why so secretive?2 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Actually, no.Think of it this way - if you were indeed a group of adventurers killing a monster together, they'd most certainly see what you looted off its corpse...
I would simply cast a transmogrify spell on the invisible boss loot container and once opened make everything appear like worthless white trash items to my fellow adventurers.
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✭...should be banned!
i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!
i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.
and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!
I feel like banning it is a little bit overkill, but it's certainly annoying when I get some loot I want to keep for an alt and someone else in the group gets all butthurt because I won't hand it over.
I've got no problem trading loot I don't need, and if I ask for something that someone else got I'll even throw in some coin if I don't have a trade to offer. But if I say I want to keep something that I looted, folks need to respect that.Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 14, 2017 7:54PM"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭I use this add-on when I'm hunting for a own and I'm with my guild. Makes it easier due to not having to link the items. Who cares if someone sees what you loot. Most mmos announce loot in group chat. Swtor/wow/eq1 and 2Edited by jircris11 on June 14, 2017 7:12PMIGN: Ki'rah
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By the time your saliva hits your keyboard, that item you think you deserve more than i do IS already in my inventory.DargusMaximus wrote: »Ah, the classic. Have no idea what he talks about. Comments anyway.
So yes, semantics away ...
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✭Lots of times when someone asks me about an item I looted, I didn't really realize what I had just picked up (or that it would be important to them) and I hand it off (for free, another item, or some gold, depending on the situation
)nordmarian wrote: »I'm also against such addons. It is your loot after-all but if players see your loot table and ask for it will you be able to say no to them once you know they helped you big time in the past? Maybe not. So you get ripped of your precious stuff. If you tell them to go away they might get upset and drama might start in seconds. Either way people who use such addons are using them for their advantage more than others advantage.
In my opinion those addons need to be reworked. Instead of showing you what everyone else got, they should show everyone what everyone else got. Additionally there should be a toggle that allow a player to not take part into the loot sharing so if they want to keep their privacy they could. This share system should activate for everyone from that group regardless if they have the addon or not. Once you initiate the addon. Each of the players should be able to decide if they want to share or not to share the loot.
@nordmarian So what you're saying is, if EVERYONE used the addon you wouldn't have a problem with it?
Get on it ZOS, add loot-view to the vanilla UIEdited by KochDerDamonen on June 14, 2017 7:24PMIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].2 -
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Actually, no.Think of it this way - if you were indeed a group of adventurers killing a monster together, they'd most certainly see what you looted off its corpse...
I would simply cast a transmogrify spell on the invisible boss loot container and once opened make everything appear like worthless white trash items to my fellow adventurers.
Now you have done it!! You said Transmogrify!! Incoming 5 threads about wanting transmog!!!
HOW THE F-WORD DARE YOU!Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on June 14, 2017 7:15PM1 -
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✭I dont care if it is looking into my "bags" it is STILL in violation of my privacy, this is MY loot, not theirs, they have no right to even see what I got from the drop. Again, I am more than happy to give them whatever they are asking for, but is it so difficult for them to type a sentence or two into group chat and ask for it like a human being instead of acting like the NSA and surveiling your drops? Its an unethical(inethical?) way to acquire information. Its like someone flying a drone into your fenced in backyard to see that you have a car they are looking for, then using that information to ask if you want to sell that car, its the principal of the thing.
Think of it this way - if you were indeed a group of adventurers killing a monster together, they'd most certainly see what you looted off its corpse...why so secretive?
For the same reason only friends can view my facebook page(not that I have posted to it in 5 years or more). Its because its none of their business unless I choose to provide that information, which I do often. If I am actually in a farm group, at the end of every run I will link each and every piece of gear I got. If I am not in a farming group, the other group members should just ask at the beginning for what they are looking for...then when I find it, its theirs unless I need it. They should ask again at the end just as a reminder, this is the courteous way of doing it. With that particular ad-on I feel like they are hovering over my shoulder whenever I picks something up. As a matter of fact, if I know someone is running that add-on, I will often just stop picking up loot I am not looking for entirely and just let it rot on the ground. Like I said, its a matter or principal. Your convenience does not trump my privacy.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I dont care if it is looking into my "bags" it is STILL in violation of my privacy, this is MY loot, not theirs, they have no right to even see what I got from the drop. Again, I am more than happy to give them whatever they are asking for, but is it so difficult for them to type a sentence or two into group chat and ask for it like a human being instead of acting like the NSA and surveiling your drops? Its an unethical(inethical?) way to acquire information. Its like someone flying a drone into your fenced in backyard to see that you have a car they are looking for, then using that information to ask if you want to sell that car, its the principal of the thing.
Think of it this way - if you were indeed a group of adventurers killing a monster together, they'd most certainly see what you looted off its corpse...why so secretive?
For the same reason only friends can view my facebook page(not that I have posted to it in 5 years or more). Its because its none of their business unless I choose to provide that information, which I do often. If I am actually in a farm group, at the end of every run I will link each and every piece of gear I got. If I am not in a farming group, the other group members should just ask at the beginning for what they are looking for...then when I find it, its theirs unless I need it. They should ask again at the end just as a reminder, this is the courteous way of doing it. With that particular ad-on I feel like they are hovering over my shoulder whenever I picks something up. As a matter of fact, if I know someone is running that add-on, I will often just stop picking up loot I am not looking for entirely and just let it rot on the ground. Like I said, its a matter or principal. Your convenience does not trump my privacy.
Ok look at it this way. It isn't actually your gear. You don't own it. You know who does? Zos. Yup they can do anything they want with your stuff. In the ToS. You know who lets us look at your stuff? ZoS. They own it. It is their right.3 -
CTSCold✭✭✭These sound like the same people who need roll everything in WoW. 'It's mine! Hands off!'1 -
squinceybones✭✭✭@Jerkling I could not agree more. In fact, I'm currently in develepment of an add-on to "shield" users from these privacy violations. It will also create a tab where users can chat freely about their experiences, and maybe help eachother through it. It's called "SafeSpace" I'd love to get your input on some features and how development is going thus far.
Looking forward to hearing from you.Edited by squinceybones on June 14, 2017 7:48PM6
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