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Nasty taste in my mouth

Welewa
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I just need to express my very real and recent disgust with how things are being handled within the game. Yes there have always been things that aren't perfect and I don't care for but when one's upset continues to grow, there's a problem. A lot of it related to housing but that's only the symptom and not the root cause. I believe the root cause is Zenimax's greed. The latest straw is the Vivec furniture pack for 4k crowns and 4 days to purchase. The high pressure sales tactics are a sign of that greed. I was waiting for it to come out but when I saw that it was 4k and 4 days, I decided I won't be purchasing it both due to the cost (not enough value in my eyes for that price) and I refuse to give in to high pressure sales tactics. I don't do it in my real life either and I wont do it in my fantasy life.

To broaden the spectrum though, I see this greed in many things related to housing. The unbalanced mat cost for furniture - it takes more upgrade mats to make a green wood item than it does to make a green piece of armor. Why? So that in the end, you'll just spend the crowns to buy the furniture rather than get what you need to craft it. When you harvest nodes, you have the chance to get a related housing material. If you have the champ points for harvesting, you might get extra but typically you get 1 piece of said housing mat. For a green item, it'll take 4-6 pieces for the recipe. When you decon or refine, you *might* get one upgrade item, even if you have full points in getting extra but to craft one green housing item? In addition to the housing material, it takes 9 upgrade items. The amount of mats needed to make one single common quality housing item is far more than to craft anything else of common quality in the game.

Then there's the issue of the lies that were told to us, the players, when housing was first talked about and told it was coming. We were told that there would only be a FEW crown only items, that almost everything was going to be for in game gold. Surprise! Lets look at one simple section of a category - flowers. Now, this was before the Vvardenfell expac but when I last looked and counted, there were 12 flowers. Of those twelve, 5 were crown only and 5 were gold only and 2 were achievement items for gold. Those two achievement items were related to DLC, which is only available if you have spent real life cash on crowns to buy or to sub. So, its behind a pay wall. Of course, achievement items are bound, so can't buy them for anyone else. So those two might as well be for 'crowns only' because they are behind a cash paywall. So 7 of the 12 cost you cash in some shape or fashion. Of the other 5 for in game gold? 3 of them are the same damn flower! They just come in different sizes. And this is just one section of a category but its repeated over and over throughout the whole of it. So, really? Just a FEW crown only items?

In the end, when my disgust grows too much, I'll simply have to make the choice to leave because the how little I've grown to enjoy it. I really don't expect anything to come of what I said here but I felt I needed to express my upset and thoughts about what I'm feeling regarding what I'm seeing.
  • aisriyth_ESO
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    I totally get the need to vent about it, but the bottom line is ZoS is a business and so far it would seem crown items are selling well enough to warrant the continued addition of them. First step to change it is to vote with your wallet, you can enjoy the game free of charge.

    I myself will buy it and the house though.
  • theamazingx
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    Overpriced cosmetic frivolities exist to allow the handful of "whales" who will actually pay it to finance the actual game for everyone else. And I think you're just heavily underestimating the amount of housing items available in-game. Crown-store exclusives really are a small fraction of what's available, and not the best fraction either.

    Lost me at the upgrade item complaint, anyway. Everything besides gold upgrade materials cost pennies each.
  • STEVIL
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    What is "high pressure" about giving you four days to decide to buy or not buy on an item when you apparently reached a successful "no buy" decision within hours of release - maybe within minutes?

    Are you still swesting that choice now? Crowns burning hole in your pockets? Pacing your floor, unable to sleep or eat due to anxiety over whether you should change your mind still?

    If so, seems like the sooner that anxiety is removed, the better.

    If not, if you made your decision and not sweating it since... what high pressure were you subjected to or victimized by?

    Where and how did this high pressure touch you?

    It tok me maybe 13.72 nano-jiffies to reach my buy or no buy decision and the only pressure involved was that presdure my finger used to click to close the box so i could continue to do what i wanted to do - have fun playing the game.




    "The latest straw is the Vivec furniture pack for 4k crowns and 4 days to purchase. The high pressure sales tactics are a sign of that greed. I was waiting for it to come out but when I saw that it was 4k and 4 days, I decided I won't be purchasing it both due to the cost (not enough value in my eyes for that price) and I refuse to give in to high pressure sales tactics."
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  • Asardes
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    In almost 2 years I ve bought exactly 0 cosmetic items from crown store. Regardless of how greedy ZoS is I'll always be stingier :)
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  • Welewa
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    I'm 100% positive that folks will buy it and the house. *shrug* I only speak for myself here. I did make my 'vote' known, however, by posting here and choosing NOT to buy it, thereby using my wallet. When I grow too dissatisfied, the next vote will be to stop supporting them monthly. If I cannot enjoy the game while paying for it, when my upset isn't over the cost of paying for it, its highly unlikely that I will 'enjoy the game free of charge' as you put it, though I'm quite aware that's an option.
  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    They make a mint for that...

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  • Waffennacht
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    They make a mint for that...

    Took me a sec... Lmao
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  • ShedsHisTail
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    My only beef with the housing system is that now all this furniture I'm not using is taking up a big chunk of my double bank space.
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  • Betheny
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    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


  • ShedsHisTail
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


    I don't know if that's a brilliant or terrible idea...

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  • Betheny
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


    I don't know if that's a brilliant or terrible idea...

    The sensation would be appropriate, so look at it from that perspective.
  • Vapirko
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


    I don't know if that's a brilliant or terrible idea...

    If you have to ask...
  • Tandor
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    I really don't get why some people get so uptight about these things. If it's clear within an initial preview that something isn't worth what's being asked for it then (a) don't buy it and (b) don't get upset about how long it's available for because you don't want it anyway. Just be glad others will buy it and help keep the game going by spending money on such cosmetic items rather than forcing the developers down the "Free to Play"/"Pay to Win" road.

    The best approach in my view, especially for those who mourn the fact that the game isn't subscription-only, is to take a long-term subscription which is incredibly cheap and use the free crowns that come with it to buy the odd cosmetic thing that might be wanted. That's my approach anyway, and the way I play the game as well as the enjoyment I get from it haven't changed since subscriptions became optional. Some players seem to want to avoid paying a subscription but also balk at the prices being asked in the Crown Store and say neither option is worth it, yet they're perfectly happy to put the hours into the game that would mean they were getting good value for money whichever way they decided to support it financially.
  • jeremybrittain22b14_ESO
    You know most sales are for a limited duration in games in store in life, thats what a sale is ...
  • Avalon
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


    I don't know if that's a brilliant or terrible idea...

    The answer is "Brilliantly terrible, and Terribly brilliant!"
  • NordSwordnBoard
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    High pressure sales tactics usually involve an actual salesman putting pressure on you:

    https://youtu.be/mF_uG0vyLr0

    Ever haggle with a real hustler in-game? Negotiate for a rare thingy in a dungeon or trial? That's stressful until the item is in your inventory; if this is Billy Mays limited time offer garbage, just change the channel for instant relief.
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  • CastaLyron
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    Most people just need a reality check. If you get tempted in the crown store name 10 real world items at the same cost, I'm pretty sure you will find something of greater value to you.

    No one is at fault here, you decide yourself if you want to buy or not. Zos has obviously found a market for this since some people buy it, companies exist to make money you know.
  • Megabear
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    When an Argonian lifts his/her tail, be reminded that they are of difference species. That being said I do agree with you. I'm not entirely happy with the shameless display of greed by ZOS.
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  • Smmokkee
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    What cracks me up about housing is you guys had the balls to say zos would add more features to it.. just like people say about BGs now.
  • aisriyth_ESO
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    Smmokkee wrote: »
    What cracks me up about housing is you guys had the balls to say zos would add more features to it.. just like people say about BGs now.

    Housing is fairly new, that isn't to say nothing will happen or not it is just too early to know.
  • STEVIL
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    Smmokkee wrote: »
    What cracks me up about housing is you guys had the balls to say zos would add more features to it.. just like people say about BGs now.

    yeah yeah yeah like say mundus stones for housing or new houses in morrow or the upcoming already announced new battleground spot (and was it a new game too?) in the dlcs later this year.

    altfacts or altgloats?
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  • Zardayne
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They make a mint for that...

    Yeah, Vics Vapo Rub, ideal as you could also use it as a lube.

    5jbr49216ahcwxc.jpg


    I don't know if that's a brilliant or terrible idea...

    I'm going to second that...
  • aisriyth_ESO
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    STEVIL wrote: »
    Smmokkee wrote: »
    What cracks me up about housing is you guys had the balls to say zos would add more features to it.. just like people say about BGs now.

    yeah yeah yeah like say mundus stones for housing or new houses in morrow or the upcoming already announced new battleground spot (and was it a new game too?) in the dlcs later this year.

    altfacts or altgloats?

    New bg is Chaos ball right? if its like hutt ball that could be cool as hell.
  • Aurie
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    My only beef with the housing system is that now all this furniture I'm not using is taking up a big chunk of my double bank space.

    ESO needs to introduce a furniture bag separate from the rest of one's inventory. Similar to crafting bag, but not necessarily infinite.

    Edited by Aurie on June 15, 2017 6:58PM
  • ShedsHisTail
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    Aurelle1 wrote: »
    My only beef with the housing system is that now all this furniture I'm not using is taking up a big chunk of my double bank space.

    ESO needs to introduce a furniture bag separate from the rest of one's inventory. Similar to crafting bag, but not necessarily infinite.

    A storage closet.
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  • I_killed_Vivec
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    Flowers?

    I'm a warrior, my "house" is a castle on the side of a volcano... the flowers I collect go into potions and poisons!

    Housing was always going to be a major feature of the crown store - it was "free" and luxury items for your house can't be considered P2W, so ZoS feel safe charging for them.
  • Magdalina
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    I feel you OP. I try to buy as little as possible but what bugs me most isn't the prices nor the sales tactic(though these are all symptoms of the same issue), what leaves the sour taste in my mouth is how everyone says they gotta earn money somehow to make the game better...but I don't feel they use this money to make the game better. I feel they use this money to make more cosmetic "limited time" overpriced stuff while neglecting most everything else.

    And yes I'm aware that costume/houses designers are not the same people that are supposed to be fixing bugs, however all of them are getting paid from the same budget. Maybe it's the time to lay off crown store some, fire/send in vacations the costume artists and pay extra/hire more coders who'd actually be able to fix the game. But why'd they do that, essentially free work, when they can sell a reskin of npc mushroom tower for what...twice as much as Morrowind "chapter" costs essentially? Why'd they pay the QA testing team to make next dlc or "bugfixing" patch as unbuggy as possible when instead they can pay the artists and dish out 5 costumes, 2 new houses and a mount, each of which will cost more than the dlc(not to mention free "bugfixing" patches) and people will still buy them?

    ...I see what they're doing and I see that it's working, but it makes me oh so sad.
  • Amadis001
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    We do this to ourselves, collectively. $100 for a DLC would be considered an outrage. But $100 for a house in a DLC? Lots of people will go for that. As long as we keep throwing money at it, that's what we're going to get. I'm sure that if people only spent money on new trials, we'd get a new trial every month. So what we're really complaining about is that those of us with money to spend don't want to spend it on the same things that those of us without money to spend wish we could spend the money we don't have on. While it sucks, it's not going to change.
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  • Dracofyre
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    why they put paintings as loots, i have no room or big enough to fit any paintings.
    seem they are pushing folks to buy bigger homes just for lousy paintings.
    it should have been crafting recipe for paintings.
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