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what is the point making NB as a dps class in PVE
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I see you aren't playing a NB and have no idea what you are talking about. I'd assume you're a sorc who knows they can do everything NBs wanted to do, but better, and wants it to stay that way. Well, it's unfair to us. Some of us started in beta tests and pre-release, we saw that NB wasn't just about stealth and we knew we could be a good DPS. And we were until 1.6 or so. You can't just turn around and say "Nah you can't dps anymore" when we are 3 years in with most achievements completed.
Double checking to see if you yourself have any idea what you are talking about...
12 characters... all way over cap...
5 are nb 3m 2s
3 are temp 2m 1s
3 are sorc 2m 1s
1 is dk m
2 orevious deletions were vet level dks
2 next will be wardens one mag one stam.
So looks like your conclusion here lives very much "up" to the quality of your others.
Look, i get it... you want nb to have top end leaderboard dps, plus its stealth for the non-dps benefits.,, i mean who wouldnt wsnt the options that gives in pvp or heists and also the top end slugger capability for the closet that is lesderboard group trisl dps?
But i really dont think your 45s cooldown potion leg is holding up the weight of your impassioned drive to get all that on one character.
inb4 stealth damage nerf with Morrowind. NB is gonna be useless in PVP too.0 -
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I see you aren't playing a NB and have no idea what you are talking about. I'd assume you're a sorc who knows they can do everything NBs wanted to do, but better, and wants it to stay that way. Well, it's unfair to us. Some of us started in beta tests and pre-release, we saw that NB wasn't just about stealth and we knew we could be a good DPS. And we were until 1.6 or so. You can't just turn around and say "Nah you can't dps anymore" when we are 3 years in with most achievements completed.
Double checking to see if you yourself have any idea what you are talking about...
12 characters... all way over cap...
5 are nb 3m 2s
3 are temp 2m 1s
3 are sorc 2m 1s
1 is dk m
2 orevious deletions were vet level dks
2 next will be wardens one mag one stam.
So looks like your conclusion here lives very much "up" to the quality of your others.
Look, i get it... you want nb to have top end leaderboard dps, plus its stealth for the non-dps benefits.,, i mean who wouldnt wsnt the options that gives in pvp or heists and also the top end slugger capability for the closet that is lesderboard group trisl dps?
But i really dont think your 45s cooldown potion leg is holding up the weight of your impassioned drive to get all that on one character.
inb4 stealth damage nerf with Morrowind. NB is gonna be useless in PVP too.
Cuz well yeah combat is just about damage, right?
Not like stealth can be used in other ways.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Eweroun✭✭✭✭pantshunter wrote: »
warden, P2W
seriously???
You have to be kidding?
warden is good in nothing in PVE
tank, nah (like 2 - 3 warden skills kan be used)
healer, nah (all HoT and no burst)
dd,.... uhmmm;. no thank you
but I agree NB should be shown some love to increase their damage and make them viable again..
(and not only for those few elite that can pull 35K - 40K on it)
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br0steen✭✭✭✭Nb is dead rip nb are completely useless this patch might as well make a sorc or p2w warden poor nbs only good for crafting things now.
Please keep these posts coming, I can't wait to see the overcorrection that will make nbs super op
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MaselClass RepresentativeMagblade can do 36-37k dps on a dummy on the PTS while buffing two other dds with major slayer with 50% uptime with drain and orbs while using swallow soul or funnel health. So stop saying they're useless. But in trials they might be forced to be melee now as soul harvest is a melee ultimate. Or at least do one or the other. If they bring sorcs on par with the others it might become interesting.
And 34-35k on a ranged setup.
This number alone means absolutely nothing. If other classes do much more dps - then NBs are useless. With their lack of needed utility, they should have even higher DPS than others to make up for it.
Anyway, why use strife? Won't damage be higher with force pulse? Or does the difference in cost justify it? As in, using more strifes, while sorcs have to regen earlier with their force pulse?@Artis said:
"So what? So go take a hike. Are you saying that all the time I invested in my NB, all the practice, all the achievement - even the character name I love - are wasted and I just should be okay that I will never be able to play top-endgame?"
Hmmm... well... assuming you are talking like HM top-end not just normal or vet T/G PVE, if you had spent tons of times working up a stamsorc healer with all those achievements... should stamsorc class be buffed up as healer enough that they wound't be tossing you on your ear when they go for the top-score leaderboards hm too? Or even a mag sorc healer?
"EVEN if you had a point, that would mean they should be a pure pvp class. But then they should be much stronger than others to make up for their uselessness in pve. But then who would play any other class in pvp?"
Again, so binary... what they bring to pvp and pve is their additional stealth capability. That allows them greater control over situations in many cases. they can more easily pick their battles and escape from sudden changes. Add to that they are pretty effective at the general type of combat that goes on there.
key point is, combat is about more than "strength" and more about DPS, unless you are talking about fighting in a very small closet - like say PVE end game sustain stand-and-slug DPS.
Instead of trying to make nightblade into another flavorless slugger, why not work to getting more diverse top-end-game leaderboard stuff thats not about highest dps slugfest?
As for invisibility potions trumping the nb cloak... thats just silly. Cooldown is a killer.
That makes precisely 0.0000 sense. I'm not talking about stam sorc healer. I'm not talking about heavy armor DPS. I'm talking about taking a class and using everything available to maximize its efficiency.
No they aren't effective in general combat. Not at all. There's a reason you don't see them other than ganker, bombers, newbs or players who are stuck and have to grind that grand overlord. And guess what - no one said they won't be able to do anything but stealth.
No it's not a killer. Not in TG and DB quests. And what potion even with a cooldown can I drink to be able to DPS as others? You still haven't answered that question.
And sure thing. I don't mind if they change the content over buffing the class and make it so that a group needs a nightblade. But then you'll need to change everything - all trials and dungeons even world bosses to make sure no NB is feeling carried and can pull his weight. As it stands now, it's not realistically possible. What's possible is to simply bring their DPS on par with others.
I see you aren't playing a NB and have no idea what you are talking about. I'd assume you're a sorc who knows they can do everything NBs wanted to do, but better, and wants it to stay that way. Well, it's unfair to us. Some of us started in beta tests and pre-release, we saw that NB wasn't just about stealth and we knew we could be a good DPS. And we were until 1.6 or so. You can't just turn around and say "Nah you can't dps anymore" when we are 3 years in with most achievements completed.
Strife's tooltip is basically the same as force pulse and it costs 650 less mag on the PTS. I can sustain a normal dummy only with drain on, 7 light armor and no change in setup whatsoever.
Force pulse has cleave in it, but strife gives far superior ultimate gen. With funnel health you actually give a very strong healing to allies, as it's you're spammable you'll basically off-heal while doing dps AND buff two others with major slayer with a ~50% uptime.
In raids you can use force pulse, as long as you keep siphoning strikes up and pop orbs/shards. I spent hours testing on the dummy with guildies and that's as far as it gets, at least as far as we got it.
DKs might favor flame lash now, as a free spammable is very handy. And if they finally tune down sorcs (just easier than buffing the rest) all classes might be in a good and similar spot in terms of damage.
Templar sustain is already good with channeled focus.
Drain magicka poisons will be necessary in PvE. They restore a good amount of mag/stamina.
A thing that will most likely cause an outrage is that the new meta will require you to double bar vma sharpened staffs. So you keep the poison and the 189 spell damage. Or at least sharpened master staff on one bar.
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AlcastClass RepresentativeIt will prolly take about 1 full patch to discover the Best setups again. DPS tests do never represent a raid environmentbut they are here to kind of show off the rotation and see what kind of "average" DPS you get. Obviously you would get different results with 6 mio target skeletons or 50mio target skeletons.
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Eweroun✭✭✭✭It will prolly take about 1 full patch to discover the Best setups again. DPS tests do never represent a raid environmentbut they are here to kind of show off the rotation and see what kind of "average" DPS you get. Obviously you would get different results with 6 mio target skeletons or 50mio target skeletons.
Also, every PTS Patch version is different, so if a test was done on 3.0.0 and you would do it again on 3.0.4 for example you might get different results because they are adjusting classes.
...and not to forget about pingrate on PTS that kinda *** up a rotation with lots of skills and light weaves...
oh well, that was before the incoming HA meta
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Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭What kind of crack is this guy on? magikaDK is some of the best dps in pve atm. I know at least 5-6 mageblades who can put out 40k dps. You really need to learn to play man. Ill give you stamblades are suffering in the DPS area at the moment but magblades are fine.Dude Where's My Guar?1 -
Fiskerton✭✭✭They never buff nb because an nb pve buff is an nb pvp buff, simple as that. If they're lowering stealth utility, maybe they'll buff them now.0 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeIt will prolly take about 1 full patch to discover the Best setups again. DPS tests do never represent a raid environmentbut they are here to kind of show off the rotation and see what kind of "average" DPS you get. Obviously you would get different results with 6 mio target skeletons or 50mio target skeletons.
Also, every PTS Patch version is different, so if a test was done on 3.0.0 and you would do it again on 3.0.4 for example you might get different results because they are adjusting classes.
...and not to forget about pingrate on PTS that kinda *** up a rotation with lots of skills and light weaves...
oh well, that was before the incoming HA meta
Oh ye the ping haha. And also a lot of stuff is broken on PTS that should not work like this...no clue how they manage to break certain things without even touching it >.>
I will try to update my builds with a focus on light attack weaving. I found the dps difference is very small. The only Heavy Attack builds that are a lot stronger are on a StamDK and MagSorc, but on other classes I did not find a huge difference. It is obvioulsy also hard to tell with the new trial as its more survival based than a dps race currently because we need to l2p.
People that have bad sustain in Homestead, will prolly have better sustain in Morrowind, because of the fact that they actively think about resource management now and change things around instead of just whining like little kiddos.Edited by Alcast on May 11, 2017 12:48PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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✭Your question;
Why make a Nightblade PVE DPS?
To play a Nightblade PvE DPS
Unless you are max gear, max rank, in a end game raiding guild (I would say easily under 10% of the ESO community) playing a NB is no different DPS wise then playing the almighty, forum consuming, most hated class of the quarter Sorc.
If you are in a end game raiding guild and can't get you favorite most beloved first toon into content you have a very legitimate complaint.
Otherwise a mag blade or stam blade can clear everything in the game and if gaming is about playing wahtvyou enjoy do what you like.0 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭Going magicka on mine was always supposed to be a temporary thing. At this point, I think stamina nightblades are just too damaged from the constant crap that's been handed down. Now that ZOS has apparently given up on them (really, twisting path is your fix?), I wish they'd turn their attention to smoothing out some skills to make rotation flow better. Specifically, focus. Why not just make it a proc like sorcerer frags are? We'd get okay damage from the skill and every so often a nice burst from it. For now its clunky especially since I have heavy attack on the mind so much. I haven't bothered with any respecs since I figure Morrowind is going to cause a few so haven't got to try it out. Our shades seem a PvP only skill. Nothing there worth the slot. Still can't help wondering when stamina is going to find its way out of the hole.0 -
Hexyl✭✭✭NB have stealth ?
Anyone can use stealth pots. And anyone can use detect pots.
Their is no stealth gameplay in this game. And it's become more true while they remove the bonus damage from stealth in morrowind.
(when this exist in all other elder scrol..since the beginning.. clap clap)
NB are fast ?
Anyone can unlock speed from medium armor skil line. With same effects that NB skill have.
You better remove the class ZoS. You will earn time.Edited by Hexyl on May 11, 2017 4:02PM0 -
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✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »So with magic NB I have flawless on it currently working on my 600k VMA run I have done every trial and I don't see any problems with NB I have been playing one for 3 years now currently I'm sitting around 200 days on my magic NB and I enjoy it over all my other toons maybe just maybe you need to L2P magic NB even with the last video alcast put out with his he is sitting at 35k DPS and he even said he is not an expert at playing one so just L2P NB and enjoy
Not sure you understand that some people here learned to play NB long time ago. Every class can complete trials and/or get flawless. That itself doesn't mean anything. If their DPS is lower than the DPS of others, then what's the point of taking a NB if you can take another class?.
I see you aren't playing a NB and have no idea what you are talking about. I'd assume you're a sorc who knows they can do everything NBs wanted to do, but better, and wants it to stay that way. Well, it's unfair to us. Some of us started in beta tests and pre-release, we saw that NB wasn't just about stealth and we knew we could be a good DPS. And we were until 1.6 or so. You can't just turn around and say "Nah you can't dps anymore" when we are 3 years in with most achievements completed.
Double checking to see if you yourself have any idea what you are talking about...
12 characters... all way over cap...
5 are nb 3m 2s
3 are temp 2m 1s
3 are sorc 2m 1s
1 is dk m
2 orevious deletions were vet level dks
2 next will be wardens one mag one stam.
So looks like your conclusion here lives very much "up" to the quality of your others.
Look, i get it... you want nb to have top end leaderboard dps, plus its stealth for the non-dps benefits.,, i mean who wouldnt wsnt the options that gives in pvp or heists and also the top end slugger capability for the closet that is lesderboard group trisl dps?
But i really dont think your 45s cooldown potion leg is holding up the weight of your impassioned drive to get all that on one character.
Who cares how many characters you have if you don't know how to play and/or don't understand mechanics and meta? Are those characters Dro-m'Athra destroyers or something? How does their DPS compare to each other?
Again - who cares about stealth? There is no stealth in PVE and there is no reason for a class to not be on leader boards. Especially since in 2014 it was there, so we saw it's an ok class and kept playing and invested time. At this point it's too late say "oh no, NB will never be viable in PvE, it's a class for heists and crafting". GTFO, don't you see what you're saying?
Yeah, the potion is holding up. You don't need to fight or leave invis all that often. If your whole point is that NB has to be at the bottom in PvE just because he has the cloak, then it's just laughable and you're embarrassing yourself with suggestions like that. As I said, go take a hike, maybe it will clear up your head a little.
Cuz well yeah combat is just about damage, right?
Not like stealth can be used in other ways.
PvP is irrelevant to this thread and yes combat is all about damage in PVE. Stealth can't be use in any other way and using it doesn't give damage. Maybe they'll redo NB to include stealth in rotation. In the end it all comes down to damage and no one will take a class if it's a significant DPS loss.Strife's tooltip is basically the same as force pulse and it costs 650 less mag on the PTS. I can sustain a normal dummy only with drain on, 7 light armor and no change in setup whatsoever.
Force pulse has cleave in it, but strife gives far superior ultimate gen. With funnel health you actually give a very strong healing to allies, as it's you're spammable you'll basically off-heal while doing dps AND buff two others with major slayer with a ~50% uptime.
In raids you can use force pulse, as long as you keep siphoning strikes up and pop orbs/shards. I spent hours testing on the dummy with guildies and that's as far as it gets, at least as far as we got it.
DKs might favor flame lash now, as a free spammable is very handy. And if they finally tune down sorcs (just easier than buffing the rest) all classes might be in a good and similar spot in terms of damage.
Templar sustain is already good with channeled focus.
Drain magicka poisons will be necessary in PvE. They restore a good amount of mag/stamina.
A thing that will most likely cause an outrage is that the new meta will require you to double bar vma sharpened staffs. So you keep the poison and the 189 spell damage. Or at least sharpened master staff on one bar.
I was thinking it's thanks to that Maiden set or something. Yeah my argument is that FP = more spell penetration+benefits from DK's debuff+ procs everything 3 times as much as strife, moreover - healing from FH is irrelevant, unless they redesigned everything so that 2 healers aren't enough to heal and you NEED that NB offheal. Guess, we'll see how it all plays out in a couple of weeks on live.
Thanks for your reply.Your question;
Why make a Nightblade PVE DPS?
To play a Nightblade PvE DPS
Unless you are max gear, max rank, in a end game raiding guild (I would say easily under 10% of the ESO community) playing a NB is no different DPS wise then playing the almighty, forum consuming, most hated class of the quarter Sorc.
If you are in a end game raiding guild and can't get you favorite most beloved first toon into content you have a very legitimate complaint.
Otherwise a mag blade or stam blade can clear everything in the game and if gaming is about playing wahtvyou enjoy do what you like.
No one will let you play a PvE DPS in endgame unless you have that end game raiding guild AND they don't mind giving you a chance. Even completing everything is arguable. Not too many NBs completed vmol or vmol hm compared to other classes. And what if a player and enjoys and likes his NB and raiding or even competitive raiding?
See, your and a person's above approach is wrong. You're assuming that we have options, can pick any character like in league of legends or something. But it's TES and MMO. We like our characters, we have "main" character that we want to complete everything on. Some of us created them at release and had no idea how things will be in 3 years and some time ago our characters were fine. These days it's a NB. But then later it might be DK or sorc that get in trouble. Then what will you tell them? "oh you want to be tanky/bursty AND have benefits of DPS?" Well duh right now they are. Why can't NB be on par with them?
I'm too invested in my character that I had since release. Rerolling is not an option, I like how he looks and his name and won't grind 23.5k achievement points again. I want my character to be ok and don't want to be punished for choosing the wrong class. How would I know they'll remove caps and then "oh nb isn't meant to be on leaderboards or have good dps"? You know what? I'll even agree with that if they let me choose the class again saving everything else I worked on achieving.
I didn't do anything wrong or bad to be punished.
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
No. He was close. You are assuming that everyone is a flawless DPS and conditions are totally ideal in your trial settings (practically 100% uptime on every buff/debuff and no obstacles in performing a perfect rotation). I am more than positive that I can pull 50K DPS in totally ideal conditions using a Bow-only Stamblade..... this does not make it fine. In those same conditions a Magicka Sorc can pull 65K-70K DPS.
The accurate numbers on Morrowind PTS when completing a solo DPS test on a 3M health target skeleton goes as follows:
• Magicka Sorcerer is too strong - 38-40K DPS
• Magicka DK manages well - 32K-34K DPS range
• Magicka Templar manages well - 32K-34K DPS range
• Magicka NB is on the weaker side - 28K-30K DPS range
• Magicka Warden is unbelievably weak - 23K-26K DPS, with 26K-27K being doable if using the bear which you won't in trials
After learning these numbers, we can take raid buffs into account:- Increased Max Magicka and occasional Critical Damage buff from Aggressive Warhorn
- Increased Spell Damage from Powerful Assault if your group utilizes it
- Increased Spell Damage from Spell Power Cure which is often up
- Increased damage done from Minor Berserk thanks to Combat Prayer
- Increased damage done from mobs having debuffed resistances
- Increased sustain from Necrotic Orb/Spear Shards
- Other Passive buffs (Minor Sorcery/Prophecy/Brutality/Savagery)
- Anything else I may have missed
Magicka Sorcerers are overperforming. The reason mainly relates to a blatantly overpowered Volatile Familiar.
Magicka DKs and Magicka Templars are seemingly fine.
Magicka NBs need a few buffs. The simplest and best would be to allow Grim Focus to automatically recast on proc usage, so it doesn't need to be casted two times in a row just to use it.
Magicka Warden is a mess and can only be brought up through a wide range of buffs since it needs a good 8K damage boost or so. I went into detail about this on a thread I created which unfortunately did not attract much attention since Morrowind hasn't released yet. People aren't throwing temper tantrums until they see just how atrociously weak Magicka Warden is and cry on the Forums when it's too late.
Anyway.... Don't down talk the dude saying their numbers were made up when they were in fact quite accurate especially when the info you provided tells us nothing that couldn't be assumed by any decent endgame PvEer. t'll be comments like these that make ppl who are unsure think everything is fine until the patch hits live servers and changes are no longer as easy.
I know Sorcs are OP when it comes to their splash damage. The point I was making is that in a trial setting, there is not as much of a gap in single target numbers as these tests or posts suggest. I have seen every class break 50k single target. I have never seen a class pull 65-70k single target. We all know about Batters ridiculous Sorc parse on the first boss, but I have yet to see it repeated. Even on that parse it was 55k single, and there are NBs pulling in the low 50s.
You will get no argument from me that NBs needs some love. I play every class; I get it. I just dont believe that the power gap is quite what its made to be on the forums. Even with a magic sorc, only a very very small percent of players are breaking 50k on boss fights with AOE, and even fewer are doing it single target.
Now since we are likely moving in one form or another to a heavy attack meta, certainly Sorcs and DKs will have the advantage next patch.0 -
pantshunter wrote: »Templar, untouchable
DK, untouchable
Sorc , hahahahahahahahaha
warden, P2W
so, as you can see, NB is a DPS class, but the healing class and tank class ability can do more damage( more useful as dps ) then a DPS class? where is the logic??
maybe i was wrong to see DK and templar as a tank and healer class, but if you play eso, you know the best tank will be DK, the best healer will be templar ( atm ) and sorc is best AOE damage.
NB? nothing is good for it, you would think they will have the best single target damage as a dps, but not, best single target is DK. so what is left for NB for PVE? you do around 15-20K less damage to a sorc, not as useful as MDK in vet trail ( expressly VMOL)
oh, the one thing that nb is good for and its second best for is VMA! the solo content it beat Templar and DK ^_^ so happy, that just show, if you want to play NB, its only good for solo content, if you want to play group contend, you better get a sorc, because it never get Nerf.
So, its NB dead for group PVE ? to me, yes. but the bright side, its good for doing quest, ''I am sure that is what people do when they lvl it to 50, all skill 50, mage guild 10, fighter guild 10 undaunted 9 just to do the quest'',
Yes they have nerfed my stam NB over and over starting with the bow two and a half years ago. Now Morrowind has turned my NB in to a crafter only since I know to many motifs a just need a few more for 9 trait. I also have done all the quests except Morrowind quests but I did all the delves and got all the skyshards in Morrowind. Way did zenamax turn the back on what was a great killer in PvP and so fun so fast in pve. Zenamax to the fun out of the game for me. I guess in stead of roll doge and face to face fighting and useing viger I will have to stand over there and just push buttons on a sorc. Man srocs are just not me I just love to get close and personal.0 -
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✭Umm i do 36kdps with magblade.
5 scathing
2 skoria
3 infallible aether
Vma inferno staff and random flame staff
5-1-1 all divines thief mundus.
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✭✭✭PLEXUSpaid4it wrote: »pantshunter wrote: »Templar, untouchable
DK, untouchable
Sorc , hahahahahahahahaha
warden, P2W
so, as you can see, NB is a DPS class, but the healing class and tank class ability can do more damage( more useful as dps ) then a DPS class? where is the logic??
maybe i was wrong to see DK and templar as a tank and healer class, but if you play eso, you know the best tank will be DK, the best healer will be templar ( atm ) and sorc is best AOE damage.
NB? nothing is good for it, you would think they will have the best single target damage as a dps, but not, best single target is DK. so what is left for NB for PVE? you do around 15-20K less damage to a sorc, not as useful as MDK in vet trail ( expressly VMOL)
oh, the one thing that nb is good for and its second best for is VMA! the solo content it beat Templar and DK ^_^ so happy, that just show, if you want to play NB, its only good for solo content, if you want to play group contend, you better get a sorc, because it never get Nerf.
So, its NB dead for group PVE ? to me, yes. but the bright side, its good for doing quest, ''I am sure that is what people do when they lvl it to 50, all skill 50, mage guild 10, fighter guild 10 undaunted 9 just to do the quest'',
Yes they have nerfed my stam NB over and over starting with the bow two and a half years ago. Now Morrowind has turned my NB in to a crafter only since I know to many motifs a just need a few more for 9 trait. I also have done all the quests except Morrowind quests but I did all the delves and got all the skyshards in Morrowind. Way did zenamax turn the back on what was a great killer in PvP and so fun so fast in pve. Zenamax to the fun out of the game for me. I guess in stead of roll doge and face to face fighting and useing viger I will have to stand over there and just push buttons on a sorc. Man srocs are just not me I just love to get close and personal.
Top single-target DPS in the game right now is a stamblade. People are hitting ~47k DPS solo, self-buffed on the target skeleton.
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭NB's main area of play are a fun overland class, great at stealing stuff and assassinating NPC's.
They are also very good in Cyrodiil PvP still, though gankblades have had to rethink their set-up a little.
They might just about do something in dungeons, possibly even vet ones, but are no good in Trials. NB's are NOT a trial class.
That does not make them worthless. Lots and lots of players don't do trials and have great fun with their gankblades in overland PvE, questing and the like.
I think people need to obviously re-think their playstyle with NB's.
NB's need to run from stealth. Doing delves is amazing, as they can ambush+killers blade small groups of mobs, and those mobs die in seconds. Get to the delve boss, stealth on approach, ambush, killers blade, 2 or 3 sudden attacks, and boss dies.
Edited by Bonzodog01 on June 13, 2017 12:25AMXbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 20150 -
StormWylf✭✭✭✭Just a couple of thoughtspantshunter wrote: »warden, P2W
This
andThe moment you seriously say Warden is P2W, it becomes difficult to not consider your thread a troll post. Warden is not P2W. Far from it.disturbed99x wrote: »
Nightblade's are fine.
P2W does not exist in this game. If you think it does then you don't really understand what pay to win means.
On the "what is the point making NB as a dps class in PVE" issue one poster said
anotherLord_Dexter wrote: »RIP Nightblades!
which seems to be a wee bit of overreaction but appears to sum up the feeling of many players who have posted in the various NBs are dead threads.Deleted my stam blade this morning,(thx Zeni).
R.I.P
To which I pose the pose the following question, when in the history of MMOs has a game been so perfectly balanced that no-one cried out for a nerf to the another class? Or claimed their chosen class was too weak? Appears Synfaer has some insight as wellNot so long ago, everyone was putting the dust covers on their magika sorc and firing up their stamblades...then the wheel turns and whats old is new again.
Just sayin, of course I could be wrong, it is simply my opinion.
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Umm i do 36kdps with magblade.
5 scathing
2 skoria
3 infallible aether
Vma inferno staff and random flame staff
5-1-1 all divines thief mundus.
Magblade is all bout rotation
That's the problem. Other classes do 40+.
p.s. well magblades are a bit better this update. Try changing your random flame staff for a random lightning staff and using Illambis. Hahah and - funny - I will try your setup myself soon XD but just because I have a sharpened moondancer flame staff.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I realized this is a necro'ed thread, but there is some miss information going on. NBs both magic and Stam are in an amazing spot right now. Stam certainly is tougher to play, but it is perfectly viable with the new DK meta giving everyone huge shields and the buff to Deadly Cloke. Lets also not forget that stam sustains better than magic now.
Now what I will say, which has been true for a long time, is that nightblades have one of the more difficult rotations for both magic and stam. If you cant pull good numbers with it, this is where the problem is.0
