Add one cp campaign

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

Greetings

With the release of morrowind, one of the cp campaigns was converted to a non-cp campaign. Here is why this is bad for pvp:
-There are more players playing on cp than there are players playing on non-cp, that's just how it is and it wont just change all of a sudden.
-Before morrowind hit live servers, during peak hours some of the players from the main cp campaign would go to the second (less populated) cp campaign. They don't have that option anymore and so they go to the most populated non-cp campaign (since they can only chose between a (full) cp campaign and a populated and unpopulated non-cp campaign).
- The result is an overpopulated cp and non-cp campaign and an absolutely empty non-cp campaign, where before there was an overpopulated cp campaign, a cp campaign that was active during peak hours and an active non-cp campaign.

In my opinion these changes should be reverted, but perhaps I am wrong...anyone agree/disagree? ^^

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

Eeeehhhhhh. In terms of consistency and population, yeah they should add in another CP campaign. But I'm pretty sure they're trying to phase out CP from PvP.

ChunkyCat · June 2017

I thought this would be about requesting a CP Battlegrounds instead of non-CP being the only choice.

Is that a thing they plan on doing?

RDMyers65b14_ESO · June 2017

Only one problem with this. Last night, all three factions were poplocked in both the CP and the non CP 30 day level 50+ campaigns. The empty one was the 7 day campaign. Couldn't PVP there as one of the factions has killed it since Morrowind dropped. This was NA PC. With maxed characters, no way for me to check the 10-49 campaign.

But yes, another CP campaign would be wonderful.

Rickter · June 2017

That server was arguably dead prior to the noCP conversion.

And i think you're wrong about which version has more players. if the populations were capped on CP 30 day, noCP 30 day and the noCP 1-49 campaigns, that literally means there are more noCP players than CP.

thats two pop locked noCPs v 1 pop locked CP.

and we arent counting BGs. so thats 2 pop locked noCPs and noCP BGs v 1 pop locked CP

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Rickter

Rickter wrote: »

That server was arguably dead prior to the noCP conversion.

And i think you're wrong about which version has more players. if the populations were capped on CP 30 day, noCP 30 day and the noCP 1-49 campaigns, that literally means there are more noCP players than CP.

thats two pop locked noCPs v 1 pop locked CP.

and we arent counting BGs. so thats 2 pop locked noCPs and noCP BGs v 1 pop locked CP

Hmmm you do have a point but I'm not sure I agree with that. During the evenings there's always a 40-60 queue on the Vivec (3o day cp) campaign but Sotha Sil (30 day no-cp) you can enter without queueing

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The non-veteran campaign is another thing entirely. I for example play on the non veteran campaign AND the cp campaign (veteran). And its population wasn't affected by the Morrowind patch.

So in conclusion I would say that veteran players, the vast majority of the player base, prefer cp campaigns.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

Actually I would really like the introduction of a campaign that is moderately populated during the evenings and that allows for some decent pvp. Atm there is no such thing sadly, unless you bow to the power of the Zerg you will not enjoy the lag-fest that is the 30 day campaigns.

Franieck · June 2017

Oh boy, I read the title and immediately thought you meant a pvp campaign where you'd only have 1 CP point. Was gonna comment on the dumb idea... Guess the joke's on me :'D

Rickter · June 2017

regardless of the queue time, a majority of ESO players between BGs, 1-49, and 30day noCP are pvping with no CP. they are just more spread out and that explains the queue times for the CP 30 day.

face it bro. CP is going away. best learn to fight and sustain without Champion points.

Khenarthi · June 2017

I would like a second CP campaign for selfish reasons.

I'm dreadful at PVP. Yes I tried it but did not enjoy it enough to try to get any good at it. My time in game is limited so I would rather spend it elsewhere.

However, I enjoy Cyrodiil - the exploration and PVE questing that it offers, and the nostalgia from TES4. And I'm spoiled by the use of CP, mostly the "quick harvesting" passive but also the improved treasure chest chances.

By only leaving one CP campaign open, I'll either take up a slot that someone could be using for actual pvp (and I'll get dead as someone sneezes in my general direction), or I'll pick a quiet campaign but with some annoyances I'm no longer used to having.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Rickter

Lol I think you've missed my point entirely. I never complained about the fact that there are no-cp campaigns. I play on no-cp too. My problem is the fact that the one cp 30 day campaign that we have isn't enough for the players who prefer playing in cp campaigns

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Khenarthi

Hahahah yes, I kind of like the idea of a dead campaign for farming and questing too

NyassaV · June 2017

I just want Haderus back

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

regardless of the queue time, a majority of ESO players between BGs, 1-49, and 30day noCP are pvping with no CP. they are just more spread out and that explains the queue times for the CP 30 day.

face it bro. CP is going away. best learn to fight and sustain without Champion points.

Of course there are more no-CPer. Because they have to. 3 full no-cp modes vs 1 full cp mode doesn't mean anything if there is only one option to pvp with cp.

You can't simply say "People play BG, BG is no-cp, therefore people like no-cp even more" because there is no alternative. If you want to play Battlegrounds, you have to play without cp. People are already asking for CP-BG.

To a degree the same applies to under-50 campaigns. Of course you can drag your lvl 10 toon to Vivec, but would it be reasonable? Also mind that not everyone in u50 is on an alt with 600+ cp in the bag. Some of them are, you know, just under 50 on theyr main char.

Also mind that if I have the choice between 50+ Queue for Vivec or much faster access to no-cp, I tend to go the latter. Especially after I gap closed into a loading screen of doom just to find myself logged out after I waited half an hour to join vivec to begin with.

BigBragg · June 2017

I always though a half CP campaign could be fun, but then they would need to add in a was to save another CP set up for players who are over the cap.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Hollery

Same :P

Rickter · June 2017

Where were you guys when this thread was going around?

Haderus had a very staunch playerbase opinion that it needed to be straight up closed down. days leading up to the close, it was infamously well known as an emperor flipping campaign in addition to the fact that it was the server that the outpost flipping ap exploit was practiced on.

You had Haderus and only a very few amount of players truly appreciated and utilized it for what it was intending for.

In fact it wasnt until the announcement that it would be closed did anyone come to its defense. the majority force fed themselves into Trueflame and this is why Haderus was converted and will probably be closed very soon.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Rickter

Outpost flipping was a separate issue, an issue that has been addressed. And the fact that someone was exploiting campaign mechanics isn't an argument against the reintroduction of a cp campaign, since you can do the exact same stuff on no-cp...

Rickter · June 2017

ok, cool. you addressed one thing out of my whole post. there was an entire thread dedicated to the closure of Haderus.

my point being: no one cared until it was gone.

IcyDeadPeople · June 2017

Perhaps best solution would be to get rid of the 7-day campaigns and add a second 30-day CP campaign

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

@Rickter

So? Now that it is gone people realise that Haderus was cool and want it back, wheres your problem with that?
Besides why do you care anyway, it's not like getting haderus back will affect you negatively

Asardes · June 2017

I switched to no-CP and I came to enjoy it more. Less laggy and more bursty. A plus is I can just leave my CP set for PvE and not switch them.

alexkdd99 · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

That server was arguably dead prior to the noCP conversion.

And i think you're wrong about which version has more players. if the populations were capped on CP 30 day, noCP 30 day and the noCP 1-49 campaigns, that literally means there are more noCP players than CP.

thats two pop locked noCPs v 1 pop locked CP.

and we arent counting BGs. so thats 2 pop locked noCPs and noCP BGs v 1 pop locked CP

Before morrowind the cp campaigns always had more people. Now that there is only 1 cp campaign people don't have any choice but to go to no cp when the cp one is pop locked and they don't have the time to wait in queue.

ZOS forcing people into no cp is not the same as people choosing no cp. If we had equal numbers of cp as no cp we could have a better comparison. Also can't throw BG into the comparison since we don't have a cp BG to compare it to.

Imo if cp pvp had the same number of campaigns/ BG as no cp then cp would have more people. This opinion is based off cp campaigns always having more people prior to Morrowind. In fact the no cp on xbox na prior to Morrowind was mostly empty in comparison to the other campaigns. Yes I know xbox got 2x cp campaigns (thankfully), but everyone else was left out.

Had zos given the players the choice between cp or no cp I am almost 100% certain we would of had cp battlegrounds.

Rickter · June 2017

Thats the thing, there wasnt "more CP players" prior to Morrowind. Haderus was a dead server, just like Almalexia is now.

Azura's was pop locked, and 1-49 had noCP - thats still more if not equal to what Trueflame had.

and @Ectheliontnacil it doesnt matter to me one way or another. Im expressing my opinion and furthering your discussion. Why does there have to be a "problem" just because i disagree with you? Without me this thread would have been on the 3rd page by now.

Crowzer · June 2017

"Oh, I like the D3 Paragons systems, let's put it in ESO !"- ESO Director

Bonzodog01 · June 2017

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@Khenarthi

Hahahah yes, I kind of like the idea of a dead campaign for farming and questing too

XBox EU - This is a thing. In fact, the Xbox EU crowd are SO dependent on CP that both the 7 and 30 day non-CP campaigns are close to completely dead (as long you ignore the emp flipping crowd in the centre of the board - gotta have that title!!)

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Thats the thing, there wasnt "more CP players" prior to Morrowind. Haderus was a dead server, just like Almalexia is now.

Azura's was pop locked, and 1-49 had noCP - thats still more if not equal to what Trueflame had.

and @Ectheliontnacil it doesnt matter to me one way or another. Im expressing my opinion and furthering your discussion. Why does there have to be a "problem" just because i disagree with you? Without me this thread would have been on the 3rd page by now.

You can have your opinion but I don't see why you are opposed to the reintroduction of a cp campaign, as I already said it doesn't affect you. And if some people want it back then why deprive them of that happiness

And it isn't really true that Haderus was a dead server, it during the evenings and weekends there was actually some decent pvp going on there

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Thats the thing, there wasnt "more CP players" prior to Morrowind. Haderus was a dead server, just like Almalexia is now.

Azura's was pop locked, and 1-49 had noCP - thats still more if not equal to what Trueflame had.

I can only speak for PC EU. True Flame was pop locked everyday. Azura's also during prime time, although I had the feeling that TF was locked for longer than Azura. However, you may can compare these two but why do you throw the 1-49 in the mix? There isn't a 1-49 with cp (wouldn't make much sense) so we can't know how many people would have chosen CP over no-cp.

It's like making a buffet for 100 people, serving 5 steak and 100 bananas, and coming to the conclusion that people like bananas more bc they ate more of them in total numbers.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2017

Also I completely understand why people prefer cp atm. Non-cp is nearly unplayable at times, since there isn't a death recap without a proc set on it. Procs are sooooo op in non-cp and other builds are much less viable than in cp campaigns there. But procs are another issue entirely ^^

NewBlacksmurf · June 2017

Thought it would end up all no cp

What's funny is ...for me...ppl focus on a teamdeath match style but the zone should always be Keeps, Zone capture and Scrolls. There's no way to please a team deathmatch focus as the game isn't designed for it.

Battle grounds is but not Cyrodil and Imperial City

Joy_Division · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Thats the thing, there wasnt "more CP players" prior to Morrowind. Haderus was a dead server, just like Almalexia is now.

Azura's was pop locked, and 1-49 had noCP - thats still more if not equal to what Trueflame had.

and @Ectheliontnacil it doesnt matter to me one way or another. Im expressing my opinion and furthering your discussion. Why does there have to be a "problem" just because i disagree with you? Without me this thread would have been on the 3rd page by now.

Last night 110 Q for Vivic.

Yes I play BGs, but that does not mean I prefer no CP, so please don't count me as a "noCP player" just because I choose to do them.

Please "further" the discussion such that I don't have to sit in a 100 person q on the weekend. Thanks.