DarkWombat wrote: »

Mundus stones

notimetocare wrote: »

There are only a few housing item that are 4k each, and that is a few mounts (that get close) and assistants that are more. So why are you blatantly lying?

It is very easy to furnish a house without crowns

How can someone who asks a question be lying. Try reading next time...I quote myself below..

"Are all of those items available in game?"

It was a question..

"Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. "

The part of your post you conveniently left out in your reply.

Perhaps "misleading" is a better word choice than "lying".

Your original post seemed to point to a lot of 4k crown items in a large furnished home when, in fact, there are only a bakers dozen mundus stones (the items you mention in your response)

So unless you are describing somebody who bought multiple of the same type, you description of "many" in the context you presented it seems quite misleading when the point of only the bakers dozen stones existing.

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy must had spent thousands of dollars since housing came out."

It could have been the island furnished for like 18k crowns then the 13 stones for like 52k crowns which equates to something accurately described as

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. A small fraction of those things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy might had spent hundreds of dollars since housing came out."

So see, you did more than ask a question and so maybe you should try reading next time, if that is, you want use to believe the misleading post and diversionary reply were not by design.

You can get a house for a little more than the cost of a mount and furnish it with almost everything the huge places have.. so no I don't think it was designed for whales. Attuned crafting tables, target dummies, huge statues, etc require some pretty substantial work granted.. either through master crafting writs, quest achievements, or a whole lot of farming. I just bought my first house yesterday and spent most of the day today out hunting for furniture recipes and materials for my main crafter so I can start to get it looking good.

Ultimately I hope to turn it into a place where I can teleport in, and do all of my crafting & dyeing in one convenient spot.

Dymence wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think it was designed that way, but I do imagine at some point the marketing team saw it and got a little excited at how they could make more cash from it.

Also I hate the term whales, it's an insulting name from idiot people and it's sad to see us gamers labelling one another with it these days.

If the shoe fits.

I mean, I could probably find a term for a compulsive buyer with loads of disposable income, namely, 'bad with money', but if the shoe fits.

If someone has a lot of income to spend, and only one hobby, why is it a bad thing to spend on it?

I have no idea. Time is money. You can use a real job to create real money or a virtual job to create virtual money. I see no reason why the two should be mutually exclusive when the sole resource is "time." But, it would appear some people think their time is more important than someone else's or that their time should at least be valued differently. But you know, explaining that its the fundamentally the same thing to people on the internet is futile. I'll blame a significant part of this on maturity and age. I suspect some people haven't discovered you can't live with your parents forever.

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think it was designed that way, but I do imagine at some point the marketing team saw it and got a little excited at how they could make more cash from it.

Also I hate the term whales, it's an insulting name from idiot people and it's sad to see us gamers labelling one another with it these days.

If the shoe fits.

I mean, I could probably find a term for a compulsive buyer with loads of disposable income, namely, 'bad with money', but if the shoe fits.

If someone has a lot of income to spend, and only one hobby, why is it a bad thing to spend on it?

I have no idea. Time is money. You can use a real job to create real money or a virtual job to create virtual money. I see no reason why the two should be mutually exclusive when the sole resource is "time." But, it would appear some people think their time is more important than someone else's or that their time should at least be valued differently. But you know, explaining that its the fundamentally the same thing to people on the internet is futile. I'll blame a significant part of this on maturity and age. I suspect some people haven't discovered you can't live with your parents forever.

Pretty much. Some people have a lot of time to play and grind the gold for it ingame, whilst others don't have much time to play besides work and rather spend time doing what they enjoy.

I see no real harm in it as long as it stays with pay for convenience.

I really truly do not understand how anyone has an issue with how anyone else spends their money in any way that does not negatively affect another person. People are absolutely free, in my opinion, to debate over Marrowind and whether it's an expansion/chapter/dlc and whether they think ZoS's current public business model is good/bad/dlc and similar topics of ethics/practices. But any thread complaining about about people using their money, the thing that exists solely to be obtained to be used in this fashion, however little or how much really irks me.

Do you stand outside of your local grocery store and judge anyone who bought name brand products over very similar but generally cheaper store brand? Do you go to a high end restaurant and reprimand people waiting for a table because there's a fast food place probably 100 feet away? Do you shame cosplayers for spending thousands of dollars and countless hours just to stand around and get their picture taken with strangers? If not, why are you here complaining about a B2P, no required subscription game shop being used like, well, a shop?

What's even worse is that you start by saying people with such housing are "whales," the largest mammals and not ones typically used in a compliment. Should I remind you that by you simply having a means to post on these forums and play ESO you're likely far better off than millions of people who struggle to have safe drinking water? No, because that doesn't help anything.

In regards to your original basic complaint, though, your concerns are unnecessary. As others have already pointed out, in a more polite tone than anyone reading this post may think, almost all of the housing items are available without having to spend a single crown. Are there exclusives? Sure. Are things being a crown store exclusive and/or the pricing model debates I'm willing to not rant at the OP about for having started? Sure. But there are things you can't buy with crowns either like achievement-based furnishings and Undaunted trophies.

Edited because I forgot to buy a spell checker for 20k crowns.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think it was designed that way, but I do imagine at some point the marketing team saw it and got a little excited at how they could make more cash from it.

Also I hate the term whales, it's an insulting name from idiot people and it's sad to see us gamers labelling one another with it these days.

If the shoe fits.

I mean, I could probably find a term for a compulsive buyer with loads of disposable income, namely, 'bad with money', but if the shoe fits.

Are they really "bad with money" if they can afford it?
I mean if you've got money, you don't need said money to live, what's considered being good with it if not buying something which gives you joy?

Should we say all hobby gamers, collectors, arts enthusiasts and classic car collectors are also bad with money?

Please, this is the reason I dislike the word and since it came out everyone treats people who buy things they deem not a good price like scum, it's sad and hurts the gaming community as a whole.

Franieck wrote: »

nough said.

Off topic, but since you posted that disturbing gif...shows with whales (and many other wild creatures) are cruel and dangerous. Many venues have discontinued them. I'd much rather see people spend a fortune on a video game than whatever it costs for one day at one of those "parks" that treat living, breathing animals in such a way. Just sayin...

STEVIL wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Mundus stones

notimetocare wrote: »

There are only a few housing item that are 4k each, and that is a few mounts (that get close) and assistants that are more. So why are you blatantly lying?

It is very easy to furnish a house without crowns

How can someone who asks a question be lying. Try reading next time...I quote myself below..

"Are all of those items available in game?"

It was a question..

"Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. "

The part of your post you conveniently left out in your reply.

Perhaps "misleading" is a better word choice than "lying".

Your original post seemed to point to a lot of 4k crown items in a large furnished home when, in fact, there are only a bakers dozen mundus stones (the items you mention in your response)

So unless you are describing somebody who bought multiple of the same type, you description of "many" in the context you presented it seems quite misleading when the point of only the bakers dozen stones existing.

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy must had spent thousands of dollars since housing came out."

It could have been the island furnished for like 18k crowns then the 13 stones for like 52k crowns which equates to something accurately described as

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. A small fraction of those things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy might had spent hundreds of dollars since housing came out."

So see, you did more than ask a question and so maybe you should try reading next time, if that is, you want use to believe the misleading post and diversionary reply were not by design.

I used the word "I think" meaning I was not sure. Then I summarized by saying "Are all of those items available in game?"
Not even close, nice try though...

Euant wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Please, this is the reason I dislike the word and since it came out everyone treats people who buy things they deem not a good price like scum, it's sad and hurts the gaming community as a whole.

So this whole "whale" thing is actually a trend? I assumed it was a term the OP made up specifically for this thread until I saw it used in another one. Wowzie. It's crazy how people always find ways to try and separate members of their own (virtual, in this case) communities. Next guildmasters are going to ask how much money you've spent on crowns as part of their guild applications!

@Euant it originated in a marketing/profits talk or the like where someone doing the talk described different types of purchasers as different size fish, saying the big buyers were the "whales" and what companies wanted.

Since then it's been a term used by a lot of gamers in a derogatory way to describe anyone who buys the expensive items sold by companies, or those who throw money without regard at a game.

DarkWombat wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Mundus stones

notimetocare wrote: »

There are only a few housing item that are 4k each, and that is a few mounts (that get close) and assistants that are more. So why are you blatantly lying?

It is very easy to furnish a house without crowns

How can someone who asks a question be lying. Try reading next time...I quote myself below..

"Are all of those items available in game?"

It was a question..

"Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. "

The part of your post you conveniently left out in your reply.

Perhaps "misleading" is a better word choice than "lying".

Your original post seemed to point to a lot of 4k crown items in a large furnished home when, in fact, there are only a bakers dozen mundus stones (the items you mention in your response)

So unless you are describing somebody who bought multiple of the same type, you description of "many" in the context you presented it seems quite misleading when the point of only the bakers dozen stones existing.

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. Many things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy must had spent thousands of dollars since housing came out."

It could have been the island furnished for like 18k crowns then the 13 stones for like 52k crowns which equates to something accurately described as

"It was huge and was furnished with some pretty amazing things. Things that I think are not available in game. A small fraction of those things that cost 4000 crowns each. This guy might had spent hundreds of dollars since housing came out."

So see, you did more than ask a question and so maybe you should try reading next time, if that is, you want use to believe the misleading post and diversionary reply were not by design.

I used the word "I think" meaning I was not sure. Then I summarized by saying "Are all of those items available in game?"
Not even close, nice try though...

Again with selective diversion... your "i think" was about whether or not they were available in game... not about the 4k crowns and not about the "many" which was the point of my comments on the misleading parts of your post and i suspect the original claim of "lying" made as well.

the fact that at other places in you post and on other points in your post you expressed things as questions or as uncertainties does not somehow magically cover the explicit statements/claims you made which are misleading or possibly incorrect in context.

You know this, of course, so now seeing multiple troll-like-off-mark replies i will give you a props for average trolling-fu.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

95% of furnishings are available in-game. Most people (myself included) bought and furnished their houses with in-game gold, without spending a single crown.

ummmmmmmm, I might have spent a few crowns on stacks of books & rows of books...
otherwise, YES! Almost entirely furnished with in game-gold.

Life is designed for whales.

I will worry when:

Crafting stations bought in the cash shop make better gear than the stations in the real world
Mundus stones from the cash shop give increased bonuses
Cash exclusive houses give a benefit to in game play beyond more slots for more useless stuff you bought in the cash shop


Honestly, if we know something is aimed at "the whales" and "the whales" will buy it and keep the game running for us while we purchase our measely sub, or some not at all, then why are we complaining? They get to fill their britches with pointless pretty things and we have a fair game to play.

regardless of whats available outside of the crown store my main issue is that things like mundus absolutely are not available outside the crown store and yet they are behind a very large paywall.

seriously. mundus stones. 4000 crowns. and thats the only way you can get them. Thats price gouging. thats unethical.