ESO+ Doesn't Feel Good to Own

Xylphan · June 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

Except for the DLC it unlocks.

True.

And you pay for that same DLC over and over and over. 5 DLC over 9 quarters at this point. Even if you don't enter the DLC zones anymore.

No, you don't pay for it over and over. ESO+ unlocks the content. It is up to YOU whether or not you want it accessible without ESO+. You can take your crowns and buy the DLCs ONCE and have permanent access to them. If you don't want to keep them permanently unlocked, that's your choice.

Eleusian · June 2017

OP If something doesn't feel good , don't do it. Know when to just say no.

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

See, I'm just the opposite. I just resubbed because I needed my unlimited crafting bag. I love not having all that stuff in my inventory especially when I do all of the crafting skills.

EnOeZ · June 2017

You only realize the worth of things when you do not have it anymore... trust me.
Unsub and you will see... how valuable it is for you.

Surak73 · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

which further means you're not actively contributing financially to support the game...

And why I should have to actively contribute financially to support the game, to begin with?...

ESO is not a charity organization, it's a market product. I don't actively contribute financially to support Adidas, Lacoste, Microsoft or Amazon: I buy their products/services if I like them, I give them my money and I get and use the products/services I have bought. It's not a love affair, it's a market decision.

And when I buy their products, I have already contribute financially to support their firm: it's up to them to use the money they are getting from sales for creating ever better products so to keep their business running, it's not up to me give them some other money in the form of a monthly tip for convincing them to do what they should do anyway.

The same it's true for ESO.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

I find it interesting when people say, "Well I don't use Crowns" well just because YOU don't use Crowns doesn't mean nobody else does. Further, if you're not using Crowns, then that also means you're probably not buying Crowns, which further means you're not actively contributing financially to support the game... and that $15/mo doesn't go that far into covering overhead expenses and paying investor profits to insure long-term viability of the game. Yet, you want to come to the forums and rant, rave and complain about the things you're not receiving... well, things cost MONEY whether it be for game improvements, new content, fixes, etc... so IMO if you're not actively contributing financially to the success of the game, then you shouldn't be complaining about anything.

Wait a minute...Maybe you worded that wrong, or maybe Im reading that wrong. But did you just handwave off subscriptions as not contributing financially to the games success?

I dont care if someone spends one dollar or five thousand. If youve paid for the game. You have a right to voice your opinion in these forums. So you might want to take your ever so righteous holier than thou attitude elsewhere. Just because you might have chosen to sink substantial amounts.....or not (you might be just as much a Freebie player as the people youre scolding) doesnt mean your voice is more important than theirs. More so, just because players arent buying crowns doesnt mean they arent supporting the game. Buying DLC once a quarter is still supporting the game financially.

You seem to jump thread to thread chastising anyone that might have a less than enthusiastic approach to feedback regarding ZOS and its product. Telling people they are complianing and whining. When in reality youre ALWAYS COMPLAINING about them. If anyone is guilty of wasting ZOS time. Its the guy or girl that spends their time on these forums chasing after any negative thread that appears.

DaveMoeDee · June 2017

Xylphan wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

Except for the DLC it unlocks.

True.

And you pay for that same DLC over and over and over. 5 DLC over 9 quarters at this point. Even if you don't enter the DLC zones anymore.

No, you don't pay for it over and over. ESO+ unlocks the content. It is up to YOU whether or not you want it accessible without ESO+. You can take your crowns and buy the DLCs ONCE and have permanent access to them. If you don't want to keep them permanently unlocked, that's your choice.

Yes, you do pay for it over and over again. Because it is one of the things you are paying for each month. This is obvious when you consider you no longer have access when you stop subbing. You are renting access. Similarly, you are paying for the crowns, the crafting bags, etc. each month.

If you want to just pay once, you can just load up on crowns at sale prices of 5500 for $24 and get all DLC for cheap.

ESO+ is like cable. You pay for a package, including a bunch of channels you never watch even once. You pay for the package because there are enough channels you do like. Saying you aren't paying for the DLC each month is like saying you don't pay for ESPN if it is included in your package. You clearly do as you have to pay for your package to get it.

nhisso · June 2017

Youre lucky to get any perk. Im so sick of people whining about subs in MMOs. Freebs want to play for free and have others pay for their existence. It is despicable.

nhisso · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

stay in school.

1500 crown pack $14.99

2500 crown pack $24.99

Therefore, Crowns have no set dollar value and it is factually inaccurate to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth.

[snip]

[Edit for baiting]

Lol you make no sense.

TheeDopestDope · June 2017

Perhaps some people here should consider picking up a second job to pay for the high costs of subbing.. I know 15 bucks goes a long way these days.

Basically if you play this game a lot, say 5 to 7 days a week for at least an hour, if you sub you will find it very worth while.

If you play less than that then it becomes more questionable, especially if you are playing other games and paying for content in those games.

central_scrutinizer · June 2017

nhisso wrote: »

Youre lucky to get any perk. Im so sick of people whining about subs in MMOs. Freebs want to play for free and have others pay for their existence. It is despicable.

Maybe some of us are sick of people whining about other people trying to have a discussion on what they do and do not perceive as a value.

Marketing firms often pay well to obtain the kind of feedback that OP is providing for free.

Oh and there's no such thing as a "freeb" here. This game is B2p.
And the $15 a month is extra, ZOS is selling perks, they are directly offering perks in exchange for money in addition to the Buy to Play fee that we've all already paid.

Some people don't feel that what they get is worth paying for, some do, and sometimes people want to talk about that. If that hurts your feelings, too bad, you're free to make your own ESO forums where people can only talk about whatever you can handle talking about.

Using forum posts as a thinly-veiled pretense to puff yourself up at the expense of strangers is the only despicable behavior in this thread, imo.

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

Perhaps some people here should consider picking up a second job to pay for the high costs of subbing.. I know 15 bucks goes a long way these days.

Really, 15.00 can't even buy me breakfast and lunch at the cafeteria at my company. 15.00 is nothing.

Banana · June 2017

Crafting bag alone is good enough for me. Everything else is a bonus

Personofsecrets · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items?

Sooner or later, you need to decide, "just put some of that garbage down."

Why?

Deadfinger6 · June 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

But hey, I could go get two gum balls a day, I s'pose.

Gum balls taste good in vanilla land

TheeDopestDope · June 2017

So all those who believe DLC is dead and chapters will be the only thing released in the future take a look at this article,

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017

So yes DLC will continue to be released. Your sub will unlock it. You can even purchase it in the crown store with the 'useless' crowns you attain each month.

*drops mic*

Betsararie · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

I find it interesting when people say, "Well I don't use Crowns" well just because YOU don't use Crowns doesn't mean nobody else does. Further, if you're not using Crowns, then that also means you're probably not buying Crowns, which further means you're not actively contributing financially to support the game... and that $15/mo doesn't go that far into covering overhead expenses and paying investor profits to insure long-term viability of the game. Yet, you want to come to the forums and rant, rave and complain about the things you're not receiving... well, things cost MONEY whether it be for game improvements, new content, fixes, etc... so IMO if you're not actively contributing financially to the success of the game, then you shouldn't be complaining about anything.

Such a ridiculous mindset... the consumer is under no obligation to support the game purely so it can continue existing...

It something offers value to me, I will be willing to spend money on it, but as soon as that value is no longer there, the incentive to spend disappears.

The consumer is not obligated to support anything for the sake of the people providing the product. I always find it intriguing that people put the best interests of corporations, businesses etc. before their own.

nhisso wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

stay in school.

1500 crown pack $14.99

2500 crown pack $24.99

Therefore, Crowns have no set dollar value and it is factually inaccurate to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth.

[snip]

[Edit for baiting]

Lol you make no sense.

If you can't understand the point behind the post, then I find it legitimately concerning, but that is neither here nor there.

GrumpyDuckling · June 2017

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

So all those who believe DLC is dead and chapters will be the only thing released in the future take a look at this article,

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017

So yes DLC will continue to be released. Your sub will unlock it. You can even purchase it in the crown store with the 'useless' crowns you attain each month.

*drops mic*

Were/are there people saying that DLC is dead and that chapters are "the only thing released in the future?"

Cêltic421 · June 2017

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

Half the perks is pointless for many subscribers. Craft bag and maybe double bank space are the only two decent perks. The rest is meaningless for many many subscribers.

GrumpyDuckling · June 2017

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

@smokey13a

Crowns - read the first post, I don't care much for the aesthetic options available in the crown store
Increased XP - doesn't help, I'm max CP
Research Times - doesn't help, I've researched everything
DLC - 4 total dungeons, 2 pathetic passive skill lines, VMA which is a boring grind but I admit I've spent a lot of time in for weapons, and new areas I don't have much incentive to go to
Costume Dyes - like I've already said, I don't place high value on having additional aesthetic things
Crafting Bag - I appreciate it
Double Bank Space - just one less character mule until the bank fills up
Etc - I don't know what you mean by "etc" - is there more available I don't know about?

I understand that there are people who place a lot of value on things like aesthetic crown store items or costume dyes, but I'm not one of those people. I would, however place a lot of value on having unlimited bag space.

smokey13a · June 2017

my point was that if you don't like what you get for subbing then don't, simple as that, sub has enough bonuses already

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

I think it really depends on how much you play. I play just about every day, the crafting bag itself is enough to make me hesitate every time I consider unsubscribing.

GrumpyDuckling · June 2017

smokey13a wrote: »

my point was that if you don't like what you get for subbing then don't, simple as that

If that was your point, then perhaps it would have been to your benefit to mention it in your first post. Additionally, if that is indeed your point, then I don't think you're understanding the purpose of my first post.

max_only · June 2017

Loyalty sub rewards would be nice (6 months, 12 months, etc). I'd feel less like a sucker. If I feel 65% confident in my choice to sub currently, loyalty rewards would bump that up to 90% confident.

Juju_beans · June 2017

I just came from wow. Wow is not buy and play free. $15/month and you get nothing but access to the servers.
You have to buy every expansion pack.

I did sign up for ESO+ because I like the craft bag, the DLC's and the monthly allowance of crowns that I can spend in their store. But I didn't have to in order to be able to log in and access the servers.

ESO+ is optional and with that you get some perks which is better than what wow offered.

malchior · June 2017

Gone are the days of just paying $15 to access an MMORPG for the sake of playing a game. So much entitlement in this thread? sheesh.

lagrue · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

@smokey13a

Crowns - read the first post, I don't care much for the aesthetic options available in the crown store
Increased XP - doesn't help, I'm max CP
Research Times - doesn't help, I've researched everything
DLC - 4 total dungeons, 2 pathetic passive skill lines, VMA which is a boring grind but I admit I've spent a lot of time in for weapons, and new areas I don't have much incentive to go to
Costume Dyes - like I've already said, I don't place high value on having additional aesthetic things
Crafting Bag - I appreciate it
Double Bank Space - just one less character mule until the bank fills up
Etc - I don't know what you mean by "etc" - is there more available I don't know about?

I understand that there are people who place a lot of value on things like aesthetic crown store items or costume dyes, but I'm not one of those people. I would, however place a lot of value on having unlimited bag space.

soooo then.... unsub?

I value all of those things. If you don't, fair enough - but quit moaning and just unsub already. The sub is a great value if you aren't looking for reasons to dislike it/ haven't outgrown its usefulness. It seems you have, let's move on.

(By the way calling Thieves Guild and DB skills lines pathetic is pathetic in itself... crime is extremely profitable... but I'm assuming you're going to tell us next that you're sitting on 10 million+ gold and wave you hands at that too - some of us get great use of, and have tonnes of fun with those skill lines - and hey, if you have the skillpoints kicking around, which any player worth their salt should - then it's no issue right?).

smokey13a · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

If that was your point, then perhaps it would have been to your benefit to mention it in your first post. Additionally, if that is indeed your point, then I don't think you're understanding the purpose of my first post.

hmmm, interesting. the sub gives bonuses, you don't feel its worth it, you ask for a feature everyone would like but only for subber's because you sub and feel you should get a specific bonus that's more useful to you then the current ones.

nope. I clearly don't understand at all, although now that you've brought it up maybe I should start asking for more bonuses then what subber's get (as I've paid more then I would have if I subbed from the day ESO was released) and I don't really "feel good" about that. the difference is I knew I was wasting my money, just because you don't "feel good" about wasting your money on subbing does not me ZOS should give you yet another bonus.

oh, and trying to make out I'm too stupid to understand your first post as some thinly veiled attempt to insult me......so mature, I'm out.

have a nice day

Bigevilpeter · June 2017

Hell No!! craft bags is almost p2w now and for players who played for a while and like to store sets for a rainy day, it is a must have now.

I think craftbags should be for everyone.

if you dont think its worth it for you dont sub, but we dont want the to go anymore p2w enough

1mirg · June 2017

malchior wrote: »

Gone are the days of just paying $15 to access an MMORPG for the sake of playing a game.

I play 15$ a month mmo's every now and again. I still play WoW and FFXIV currently. But here is the thing. I don't spend alot of money on those games. Heck, I barely buy anything outside of the sub fee from those games. But with other games that are not p2p? I spent alot more than that per month on them. Like in eso's case. I spent waaaay over 200$ on it, counting from the day I bought it till now. But even though I spent so much money on it. I don't regret anything I purchased, even those crown crates. As long as I still enjoy it, I will continue spending as much money on it as I please.

But why is this important? Well, the thing is. Is that Pay to Play games force you to add another bill ontop of your other bills to pay off. Phone, Electricity, Water, and etc. In a non P2P game, you are given the chance to pay whenever you wish too and not have to worry or think about "did I pay my X game fee this week/ month/ year?" when you have other, more important recurring bills to pay off instead.

That's why the p2p games days are gone. People just had enough of having to deal with a another bill to pay. Why do you think b2p/f2p games get huge audiences so easily? and why do you think p2p games have a tough time getting a huge audience? Times change mate.