ESO+ Doesn't Feel Good to Own

Sigma957

Being a crafter I can't do without my crafting bag and i'm freed from using alts as mules and can play them how ever I want also saving a heap of gold from not upgrading their bag space.

NewBlacksmurf

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

15 dollars is worth 1500 crowns.

1500 crowns have no resale value. if that is what you were trying to say, please use the correct terminology before calling someone ignorant.

Crowns actually don't have a value.
They do cost money BUT they can be obtained by service issues too. The cosmetic items that can be exchanged for crowns have a perceived value.

The crown prices continue to go up but the items remain the same therefore inflation is taking place and the perceived value can diminish to a point of no value for some.

Monetarily crowns can be anywhere from $14.99 /month for 1500 or on sale at $25 for 5500 but on Xbox one we don't have multi month sub options and pay for subs and often don't get our crowns ....each year we get 7k to 20k depending upon how many months we had to open service tickets and an extra 500 crowns per month they had to credit the 1500 so.....they don't have value for some people literally. I had 16000 and spent 2k.....all 16k were gifted so for me....they have no actual monetary value.

Dixa

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

stay in school.

1500 crown pack $14.99

2500 crown pack $24.99

Therefore, Crowns have no set dollar value and it is factually inaccurate to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth.

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The confusion is on your end, and the only people scammed are folks like yourself who clamored for this industry to move to the predatory f2p systems.

Value is relative. 1000 crowns gets you 10 horse upgrades, which normally takes 200 hours to complete. Is your time worth more or less than 15 dollars?

I find great monetary value in crowns when used to not have to wait another 150 days for my new wardens mount to be fully upgraded, or just at a minimum 50 days assuming i log in every 20 hours on the dot and don't delay, buying that speed upgrade as soon as it's available. That time saved by spending 40 dolla dolla for crowns is substantially less than just an hour of my actual personal time. i'm sorry you value your personal time so low.

again if you are referring to resale value then no, because you can't sell anything you buy with crowns to other players they have no resale value. they are not like turbine points, cartel coins or PLEX in that regard. but y'know what? you can buy more turbine points for less per point. you can buy more cartel coins for less per point and you can buy plex in multiples for less than individually. doesn't mean they aren't still valued by the players at the equivalent single.

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Betsararie

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

15 dollars is worth 1500 crowns.

1500 crowns have no resale value. if that is what you were trying to say, please use the correct terminology before calling someone ignorant.

Crowns actually don't have a value.
They do cost money BUT they can be obtained by service issues too. The cosmetic items that can be exchanged for crowns have a perceived value.

The crown prices continue to go up but the items remain the same therefore inflation is taking place and the perceived value can diminish to a point of no value for some.

Monetarily crowns can be anywhere from $14.99 /month for 1500 or on sale at $25 for 5500 but on Xbox one we don't have multi month sub options and pay for subs and often don't get our crowns ....each year we get 7k to 20k depending upon how many months we had to open service tickets and an extra 500 crowns per month they had to credit the 1500 so.....they don't have value for some people literally. I had 16000 and spent 2k.....all 16k were gifted so for me....they have no actual monetary value.

This is more or less what I believe, Crowns have value of some kind but it cannot be determined the way they're distributed.

Which is why one cannot make the statement 'X amount of crowns is worth Y amount of dollars'.

Vapirko

disintegr8 wrote: »

My last 6 monthly sub ends in a few weeks and I have to decide on renewing. I think coming out with an 'expansion' instead of a DLC was a kick in the teeth for subscribers and the double bank space was still not enough to free up my storage mules so I can use the character slots.

Sure I love the craft bag and don't know how I would cope if I lost access to it, so in effect maybe I am paying a ransom to keep it. Having just paid 3 months sub costs for the 'expansion' leads me to want to do without the sub for 3 months as a way to 'recoup' my money, before subbing again.

Maybe that is the way for existing subbers to get their money back from buying Morrowind: stop subbing for 2-3 months, long enough to save whatever you paid for it, before resubbing again.

I canceled mine and am feeling that renewing won't happen. I'm at a point where I've got my builds locked in for the most part, I haven't got Morrowind because i don't care much about the pve content. I mostly just pvp at this point. The sub doesn't offer much to endgamers besides extra bag and bank space.

disintegr8

Dixa wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

FYI:
Crowns - for those of us that don't go in for shiney objects from the crown store are pretty much useless. I consider the crowns I get for subbing as a free gift from ESO that I do not spend.

really? that 1500 gets you 10 mount upgrades and quite a few xp scrolls per month as just one example. lol. or repair crates. or whatever.

Increased XP - fine while leveling but when you are way over CP cap and all maxed characters, is pretty useless.

there are very few players at that level even today

Sped up research times - not necessary once you have completed research.

but helpful until you do which takes a few months

Access to DLC's - fine if you like them, I have barely started TG or DB as they do not interest me.

lucky for you there are more than two dlc's then.

Costume dying - same response that applies to crowns - nice if you like it. I have dyed nothing since my first character reached about level 40.

you would prefer they also limit the number of abilities you can have on your bar, similiar to stwor's f2p model?

If I was not a crafter I would not be subbing, as before last week the only ongoing benefit I got was the craft bag. I think ESO+ has a lot of benefits if you are starting out but needs something added to keep up with player progression.

it doesn't need anymore. name me any other mmorpg with an f2p model where their optional sub gives you MORE than this.


honestly if you are at the point where you have done everything, gotten all you want and just log into craft this is more of a case for you to move onto another mmorpg than one of sub value.

I never said I had done everything and only log on to craft, merely that the only ongoing benefit I feel I am getting from my sub is the craft bag. When I started subbing I had already bought Orsinium and IC DLC's, was beyond CP cap and already had a 9 trait crafter.

This is the only MMO that I have ever played, so asking me to compare benefits of other subs is a waste of time. You disagree with what I and other people think, as is your right, but don't read between the lines and presume to know us.

ProfesseurFreder

Crimeney, I'm so sick of people complaining about this. It's not open for debate.

Go play World of Warcraft: they charge you for the base game, they change you $15 a month subscription (NOT optional, as it is with ESO), they charge you $40+ for EVERY SINGLE EXPANSION and they have their version of the crown store as well (that you DON'T get credit for with your subscription). You get NOTHING free from those people.

And it's NOT as good a game.

If you don't like the terms of service, you know what to do about it.

MarrazzMist

I've been two months without ESO+ and I must say I don't do very well without craft bag. I am more of a subscriper-type of player.

DaveMoeDee

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

Completely true. There is a sale price, but that is not a general value since many players don't consider crowns to have enough value to buy any. If I had 30000 crowns in my account, only 3000 would have value to me as I would use those to open the last 2 character slots. The rest would just sit there. Cosmetics have no value to me. Eventually I would spend them just to spend them on something I never would have spend money on. I wouldn't even spend $1 on a house, but if I had a pile of crowns that would just go to waste, maybe I would buy one. That means those crowns have a value of less than $1 to me.

RGFors

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

Jollygoodusername

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

You've been watching too many 'save the dying puppies' commercials. You can't pay $0.50 a day for the P2W crafting bag.

idk

Wo! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
So good, so good, I got ESO+

DaveMoeDee

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

TheeDopestDope

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

Except for the DLC it unlocks.

Elsterchen

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp (which may be quite worthless once maxxed), better research times (which may be quite worthless once maxxed), temporary access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumesthat only include crown store costumes, not the ones you find in game! And those you buy are can have parts you are not able to dye.(which every should be able to do *push*), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

I think it really depends on how much use one has for XP and research time buff and after all 180 bucks for a game that might be un-playable in parts when the next patch is launched, is quite a lot of money to some people. Sure ESO+ subs has a idealistic value, it is one way of supporting ESO directly and I guess alot of ESO+ members feel that alone justifies payment. The crafting bag and added bank space as well as the temporary access to all DLCs is just a goddie to many of us, I assume.

However I can acept different opinions, knowing for some people the monthly sub isn't calculated like: "Oh well, then I will just cancel one trip to the cinema per month", but something of higher value. I feel wether or not this justifies qqying shouldn't be up to debate or judged, tbh. While some may agree that the ESO+ goddies are showing appriciation from ESO+ you may as well argue that limiting bank and inventory space in the first place is creating a value to these goddies. In short, ESO is creating a demand for the goddies they hand out, which isn't such a appreciating move towards customers...

my 5 cent

NewBlacksmurf

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

Except for the DLC it unlocks.

What DLC unlocks. None for a year....kinda the point of the topic in context. Unless you didn't buy dlc with the accumulated crowns last year or so....why do you need dlc unlocked?

New Alts maybe....but that's of no value for many

Absolut_Turkey

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

stay in school.

1500 crown pack $14.99

2500 crown pack $24.99

Therefore, Crowns have no set dollar value and it is factually inaccurate to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth.

[snip]

That reminds me, I need to buy some crowns. Disposable income FTW.

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ArchMikem

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+

You need to think of this Chapter as just like those old boxed Expansions that were sold separately for PC games. This Morrowind Chapter is different from the Crown Store DLCs of Thieve's Guild and Dark Brotherhood, and I highly doubt they'll be the last DLCs ZOS makes. Since Morrowind is released now, expect the next bit of content to be a normal Crown Store DLC.

But yeah if the only reason you care about ESO+ is the crafting bag, either justify the $15 a month for the bag, or just don't Sub and learn to play without it. I made it work for nearly two years before I subbed for a month. It's not impossible.

Skjoldur

disintegr8 wrote: »

Value is relative. 1000 crowns gets you 10 horse upgrades, which normally takes 200 hours to complete. Is your time worth more or less than 15 dollars?

It does not take 200 hundred hours, you have to wait 200 hours, which is a ridiculous mechanic to begin with.

Those riding lessons are the worst item in that crown shop. I have no problem with a shop for costumes, mounts etc. but the riding lessons are almost mandatory to buy if you want to level an alt. Leveling takes about a weekend, maybe two. Without a fast mount getting skyshards or going to cyrodiil is just a nightmare.

ESO+ is renting expensive bag and bank space in a buggy freemium grinder from a greedy and arrogant company.

CherryCake

I like being subscribed, mainly for the bag and the crowns they give every month. 2000 would be nice seeing that everything is so freaking expensive in the crown store xD...

RoyalPink06

I just bought a 6 month sub last night for the first time and I'm pretty salty about it. Managed to play since release (PS4) without it, but the bank space rage finally broke my resolve. So if their plan was to annoy people into subbing, it worked on me. I must say though, the craft bag is super convenient, so I guess that slightly reduces the salt. I forgot about all the other perks, however minor, so I'm kinda looking forward to those. I agree though that there could be a little bit more in terms of sub perks, just not sure what.

DaveMoeDee

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

Except for the DLC it unlocks.

True.

And you pay for that same DLC over and over and over. 5 DLC over 9 quarters at this point. Even if you don't enter the DLC zones anymore.

ADarklore

I find it interesting when people say, "Well I don't use Crowns" well just because YOU don't use Crowns doesn't mean nobody else does. Further, if you're not using Crowns, then that also means you're probably not buying Crowns, which further means you're not actively contributing financially to support the game... and that $15/mo doesn't go that far into covering overhead expenses and paying investor profits to insure long-term viability of the game. Yet, you want to come to the forums and rant, rave and complain about the things you're not receiving... well, things cost MONEY whether it be for game improvements, new content, fixes, etc... so IMO if you're not actively contributing financially to the success of the game, then you shouldn't be complaining about anything.

NewBlacksmurf

ADarklore wrote: »

I find it interesting when people say, "Well I don't use Crowns" well just because YOU don't use Crowns doesn't mean nobody else does. Further, if you're not using Crowns, then that also means you're probably not buying Crowns, which further means you're not actively contributing financially to support the game... and that $15/mo doesn't go that far into covering overhead expenses and paying investor profits to insure long-term viability of the game. Yet, you want to come to the forums and rant, rave and complain about the things you're not receiving... well, things cost MONEY whether it be for game improvements, new content, fixes, etc... so IMO if you're not actively contributing financially to the success of the game, then you shouldn't be complaining about anything.

Please get it out of your head that your subscription is supporting the game and future development.

You don't have to be a subscriber. Just buy the game and play it. If you like the dlc buy some crowns and pay it.

Subscriber isn't going to make anything better or get anymore done. Buying crowns is the same as paying for a subscription....

For people who purchased the game and not DLC they too are supporting the game cause they paid for it.

Please stop adding stuff to suggest if ppl aren't buying crowns or subscribing that they aren't supporting the game.

People who aren't supporting the game didn't buy it.

There are those who buy crowns and sub who aren't supporting the game tho....don't get confused.

STEVIL

First i thinj my sub gives me its cost back in value.

Second i believe we need better invrntory functions not more slots. Better organization, mamagement and access would be drastically more significant than more slots.

Imagine if from any characters bank you could view and search all inventories and move to/from and characters inventory and bank.

Let the bank be a connection between all characters at all times.

Also let me create my own tabs or lockers within the bank -subviding my stuff

DocFrost72

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

RGFors wrote: »

Is $0.50 a day for your entertainment expensive? A single soft drink is more expensive and at least to me, isn't nearly as much fun. Just sayin'.

That is a misguided way to think about money. It is like you are searching for ways to justify wasting money.

At the best rate, it is 156/yr. That does not include the original purchase, or the now yearly chapters.

I could get a lot of games for that money instead of paying to repeat the same content over and over.

HBO costs the same per month these days. Showtime costs the same. Netflix and Amazon Prime cost less. Paying for those gets you access. Paying for ESO+ does not get you access. It gets you inventory management. ESO+ doesn't add fun. It just removes annoyance. You can do the fun part without it.

OG purchase- 60
Expac-40$/year
Sub/month- 15$

Cost goes down as time goes up. In other words, I've spent 60 cents a day the last three years rounded up. maybe it'll even reach 75 cents a day avg of I buy a yearly expac.

That is less than a soft drink at my local convenience store, and at most a third of the daily coffee some drink.

It's not a misguided way to look at it, it's realistic.

lagrue

zyk wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You realize that you are paying a ransom at that point and not for a product?

I believe it is an intended hassle.

Uh yeah... it's intended... it's part of the Elder Scrolls game's general mechanics, just something they brought over from the main series. The inventory space in ESO is actually alot better when consider they left out the item weight mechanic... if the items in this game had weight like Skyrim and previous games, then it would be a true nightmare.

What you have now is an incredibly generous system that lets you carry 200 *** swords if you wanted.

I don't know what you guys expect, to have your hand held through the game? A big part of Elder Scrolls has ALWAYS been inventory management.

Dixa

disintegr8 wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

FYI:
Crowns - for those of us that don't go in for shiney objects from the crown store are pretty much useless. I consider the crowns I get for subbing as a free gift from ESO that I do not spend.

really? that 1500 gets you 10 mount upgrades and quite a few xp scrolls per month as just one example. lol. or repair crates. or whatever.

Increased XP - fine while leveling but when you are way over CP cap and all maxed characters, is pretty useless.

there are very few players at that level even today

Sped up research times - not necessary once you have completed research.

but helpful until you do which takes a few months

Access to DLC's - fine if you like them, I have barely started TG or DB as they do not interest me.

lucky for you there are more than two dlc's then.

Costume dying - same response that applies to crowns - nice if you like it. I have dyed nothing since my first character reached about level 40.

you would prefer they also limit the number of abilities you can have on your bar, similiar to stwor's f2p model?

If I was not a crafter I would not be subbing, as before last week the only ongoing benefit I got was the craft bag. I think ESO+ has a lot of benefits if you are starting out but needs something added to keep up with player progression.

it doesn't need anymore. name me any other mmorpg with an f2p model where their optional sub gives you MORE than this.


honestly if you are at the point where you have done everything, gotten all you want and just log into craft this is more of a case for you to move onto another mmorpg than one of sub value.

I never said I had done everything and only log on to craft, merely that the only ongoing benefit I feel I am getting from my sub is the craft bag. When I started subbing I had already bought Orsinium and IC DLC's, was beyond CP cap and already had a 9 trait crafter.

This is the only MMO that I have ever played, so asking me to compare benefits of other subs is a waste of time. You disagree with what I and other people think, as is your right, but don't read between the lines and presume to know us.

If this is your only mmorpg you have ever played then you have no frame of reference.

You may be burned out on this game. that happens to everyone in every mmorpg at one point. You should consider playing another one for a while until the itch to play ESO returns.

If you feel like you are obligated, you HAVE to log in every day then the game is no longer a game.

Balamoor

Just going to leave this here.....

Trashkan

I find great value in my crafting bag it consumes all my time if I don't have +.