ESO+ Doesn't Feel Good to Own

GrumpyDuckling · June 2017

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

starkerealm · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items?

Yeah, probably.

I'm not even sure doubling inventory space the way your bank size now doubles with ESO+ would be a good idea. Sooner or later, you need to decide, "just put some of that garbage down."

WalksonGraves · June 2017

You realize that you are paying a ransom at that point and not for a product?

disintegr8 · June 2017

My last 6 monthly sub ends in a few weeks and I have to decide on renewing. I think coming out with an 'expansion' instead of a DLC was a kick in the teeth for subscribers and the double bank space was still not enough to free up my storage mules so I can use the character slots.

Sure I love the craft bag and don't know how I would cope if I lost access to it, so in effect maybe I am paying a ransom to keep it. Having just paid 3 months sub costs for the 'expansion' leads me to want to do without the sub for 3 months as a way to 'recoup' my money, before subbing again.

Maybe that is the way for existing subbers to get their money back from buying Morrowind: stop subbing for 2-3 months, long enough to save whatever you paid for it, before resubbing again.

smokey13a · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do

), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

DocFrost72 · June 2017

I dunno, I don't mind paying 50 cents (US perspective) a day for unlimited craft inventory, double bank, dyeable costumes on demand, and all DLC access. I haven't even discussed the monthly crowns, which is a race and appearance change 3 times a year with spare crowns.

But hey, I could go get two gum balls a day, I s'pose.

itehache · June 2017

It is worth it for me.

If you don't feel it's worth it for you just unsub.

Edited to add about your suggestion: Sure, why not? The more the better

Although I have never seen an online game with infinite inventory.

DaveMoeDee · June 2017

I agree on crowns being useless, at least after character slots and assistants (and the banker is enough with x2 bank) and saving for DLC for post-sub.

The chapter approach doesn't necessarily decrease the sub value considering ZOS only delivered 5 DLC in 2 years. That is less than what they say we can expect under the new model. I suspect that (1) we can't count on them actually delivering 3 paid DLC a year since they weren't able to deliver that even without chapters and (2) no DLC will ever again be as big as Orsinium. I hope they prove me wrong on both counts.

Unlimited bag space won't happen. Have you ever set your carryweight to 50000 in Skyrim or Fallout? Performance gets really bad when you open inventory. It would also increase the size of the tables storing inventory drastically. That is not something I am willing to accept. It is one thing if guild banks or guild stores or slow to respond. Personal inventory needs to be immediate.

The best you can hope for is occasional bumps based on performance.

zyk · June 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You realize that you are paying a ransom at that point and not for a product?

We already are. This game is an inventory nightmare for a lot of players. I believe it is an intended hassle.

I would like to see something akin to the crafting bag for bound gear. I would like this to allow for multiple characters on the same account to have the same bound items equipped. The game is extremely alt-friendly now, but transferring gear among them is a big pain which can result in missing items/fragmented sets.

jircris11 · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

well think of it this way for that 15 a month you get-
1500 crowns (15 usd worth)
10% gold,xp boost
Crafting bag
all the current DLCs
Researcher time reduction.
Unlimited dye use
(edit) forgot the double bank space

IMO you get well worth the 15 a month.

alexkdd99 · June 2017

I don't know, with the additional of double bank space I don't really have any inventory issues anymore. I wouldn't even play this game without eso+ at this point.

Once you have been spoiled with the craft bag and now double bank space or makes it hard to go back. I don't know how I played so long before they added the craft bag.

That's not to say I don't think how they went about releasing morrowind wasn't shady, because it was imo. Also for anyone into housing double item spots make a huge difference. I think most overlook that plus "feature" although I struggle to call that a feature.

BossXV · June 2017

If they gave subs with say.. A year long active account or currently set for a year, 50% off chapters, that would be fair, or digital collector's edition for 40$

NewBlacksmurf · June 2017

Stop paying for it.
It's not suppose to be some special club

Drelkag · June 2017

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

DaveMoeDee · June 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

well think of it this way for that 15 a month you get-
1500 crowns (15 usd worth)
10% gold,xp boost
Crafting bag
all the current DLCs
Researcher time reduction.
Unlimited dye use
(edit) forgot the double bank space

IMO you get well worth the 15 a month.

He already said he has nothing to get with the crowns, so they are worth $0. If he wasn't subbing, he could like just get 5500 crowns at sales for $24 like me, so equating 1500 to $15 value only makes sense for the most impulsive individuals who really suck with their money. IC is the only DLC that predated crown sales.

Probably done with all research long ago if he has been playing a long time, so zero value.

If he doesn't care about cosmetics, likely like me and doesn't care about dye. Doesn't like cosmetics so likely doesn't have costumes to dye. So $0. What is "unlimited use"? Is there a limit on dyes? I thought the only change was dying costumes.

XP and gold boost really doesn't move the needle. Gold boost does not impact guild sales, the best revenue source by far.

You re-pay for the same 5 DLC over and over again. This is great if you want to finish them all in one month and then end the sub. It is a horrible value if have been on ESO+ for 2 years.

You left out increased housing items. Worth $0 to me since I am satisfied with completing quests for free houses. One day I will try to get some housing achievements just to get them, but not because I care about housing.

Crafting bag and inventory space are awesome. I can see why they are enough to compel some people to pay $15/month.

But this is all subjective and depends upon how we play the game individually.

DaveMoeDee · June 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

I don't know, with the additional of double bank space I don't really have any inventory issues anymore. I wouldn't even play this game without eso+ at this point.

Once you have been spoiled with the craft bag and now double bank space or makes it hard to go back. I don't know how I played so long before they added the craft bag.

That's not to say I don't think how they went about releasing morrowind wasn't shady, because it was imo. Also for anyone into housing double item spots make a huge difference. I think most overlook that plus "feature" although I struggle to call that a feature.

I have to agree with all points but one. That is why I sub sporadically and then take multiple months off.

I don't care about housing though. A limit of 10 items in a house would be more than enough for me. Those free rooms are mighty small.

disintegr8 · June 2017

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

FYI:
Crowns - for those of us that don't go in for shiney objects from the crown store are pretty much useless. I consider the crowns I get for subbing as a free gift from ESO that I do not spend.

Increased XP - fine while leveling but when you are way over CP cap and all maxed characters, is pretty useless.

Sped up research times - not necessary once you have completed research.

Access to DLC's - fine if you like them, I have barely started TG or DB as they do not interest me.

Costume dying - same response that applies to crowns - nice if you like it. I have dyed nothing since my first character reached about level 40.

If I was not a crafter I would not be subbing, as before last week the only ongoing benefit I got was the craft bag. I think ESO+ has a lot of benefits if you are starting out but needs something added to keep up with player progression.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

I think what was supposed to take the place of that one DLC that was replaced by Chapters was the Double Bank Space. The problem with that is that its a pretty big gap between Unlimited Access to DLC via ESO+ and Double Bank Space via ESO+. The Double Bank Space is nice and gives ESO+ utility. But it just doesnt make up for the loss of DLC. Whats more, when you realize that last year we got 1 Dungeon Pack, a Base Game Update (personally I think these should not be stand alone and should be attached to DLC if they are going to sell players on ESO+) and 2 minor DLC. I would argue that ESO+ players were ripped off. And then to follow one Base Game Update with another. We spent a year without any substantial content. And no I do not think 2 dungeons and its achievements, as well as its grindy motifs as content.

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

Things they should do with the crown store and ESO+:

Crown Store Bank Upgrades stack with in-game bank upgrades (increase the price). ESO+ doubles the sum of both.
Crown Store Bag Upgrades stack with in-game bag upgrades and applies to all characters (increase the price). ESO+ doubles the sum of both.
Introduce Housing Warehouse Upgrades that can be bought from the exclusive furnishing vendor for writs. These would increase the storage space for your primary residence by +10, and a maximum of [x] can be bought. Crown Store Warehouse Upgrades apply to all houses and ESO+ doubles the sum of them+basehouselimit.
Allow ESO+ members to buy time limited items under a separate tab in the crown store (Only available to ESO+ players)

KingYogi415 · June 2017

Good luck using your bank after you unsub

Skjoldur · June 2017

smokey13a wrote: »

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

Is that even possible?!

brandonv516 · June 2017

Best thing I did for myself was clear out old unused sets. Then I cancelled ESO+ and I am now free from their shackles.

Betsararie · June 2017

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

SanTii.92 · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

Uhm, how about for access to the other 6 DLCs are more to come?

Dixa · June 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

is this a joke?

10% xp
double bank space
crafting bag
1500 crowns a month

there is no other similiar b2p, freemium, f2p game with a sub that gives you that much just for the monthly sub.

many give you a stipend, but that stipend is generally less than the value of your sub. not here
none have that crafting bag
none double your bank space
a couple give bonus xp

if you can't afford 15 a month for a game you likely put in 40-80 hours a month into avg (5.3 cents per hour - tell me how much is a 2 hour movie to go see? or to rent on itunes?) then perhaps you need to re-evaluate your finances.

Dixa · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Dixa · June 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

smokey13a wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm not saying ESO+ is supposed to "feel good" to own, but for a total of $180 a year, I'd like to feel a little bit better about my $15 monthly subscription.

To me, the monthly crowns are pretty pointless (I don't care much for aesthetic crown store things), and the new chapter approach is independent of ESO+, which means I'm pretty much paying for bag space (translation: to be less annoyed while playing the game, because I'm still having to manage bag space all the time).

Would it be awful to give ESO+ subscribers unlimited bag space, like the crafting bag but with regular items? That would at least feel more worthy of a $15 monthly description.

seriously?' you get crowns, increased xp, better research times, access to all dlc's, the ability to dye costumes(which every should be able to do ), the craft bag, double bank space( which should of only been say 50 space upgrade)....ect and you still want more.

pahahahahahah, you're even greedier the ZOS

FYI:
Crowns - for those of us that don't go in for shiney objects from the crown store are pretty much useless. I consider the crowns I get for subbing as a free gift from ESO that I do not spend.

really? that 1500 gets you 10 mount upgrades and quite a few xp scrolls per month as just one example. lol. or repair crates. or whatever.

Increased XP - fine while leveling but when you are way over CP cap and all maxed characters, is pretty useless.

there are very few players at that level even today

Sped up research times - not necessary once you have completed research.

but helpful until you do which takes a few months

Access to DLC's - fine if you like them, I have barely started TG or DB as they do not interest me.

lucky for you there are more than two dlc's then.

Costume dying - same response that applies to crowns - nice if you like it. I have dyed nothing since my first character reached about level 40.

you would prefer they also limit the number of abilities you can have on your bar, similiar to stwor's f2p model?

If I was not a crafter I would not be subbing, as before last week the only ongoing benefit I got was the craft bag. I think ESO+ has a lot of benefits if you are starting out but needs something added to keep up with player progression.

it doesn't need anymore. name me any other mmorpg with an f2p model where their optional sub gives you MORE than this.

honestly if you are at the point where you have done everything, gotten all you want and just log into craft this is more of a case for you to move onto another mmorpg than one of sub value.

Silver_Strider · June 2017

All these people complaining ESO+ doesn't grant enough.

Wait til ZOS goes the GW2 route and limits the number of Dungeons/Trial runs you can do without a sub. See if you'll still complain then

Betsararie · June 2017

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

Dixa · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

15 dollars is worth 1500 crowns.

1500 crowns have no resale value. if that is what you were trying to say, please use the correct terminology before calling someone ignorant.

Betsararie · June 2017

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Drelkag wrote: »

The game gives you $15 in crowns. Any benefit beyond that is a bonus factually speaking.

No because Crowns aren't a real thing.

They're a 'digital' currency whose price is entirely controlled by ZOS.

There is no true dollar to Crown conversion. They're made out of thin air. One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.

wrong. crowns have a value. it is static. click on the big STORE on the banner to this very page.

Of course Crowns have value but the price decreases the more you buy.

I repeat THERE IS NO TRUE CROWN TO DOLLAR CONVERSION. The price is arbitrary / set by ZOS.

So to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth is entirely inaccurate and not correct at all.

crowns have a set price that never increases or decreases and you only buy them from one place.

IF crown store items were tradeable and sellable in guild stores then crown value would change.

stay in school.

1500 crown pack $14.99

2500 crown pack $24.99

Therefore, Crowns have no set dollar value and it is factually inaccurate to say 1500 Crowns is $15 worth.

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