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I bought the crowns. You have my money. Let me buy Morrowind.
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catsgomeow✭✭✭Yeah calling it a chapter and excluding it from the dlc contract with eso members and crown holders is just a guaranteed way of making more money, its a business move, the gaming industry became monetized a long time ago and these are the results we now have to deal with, as far as im concerned its not a new chapter, it is nothing more than an expansion, a dlc, and a rather small one at that, having said that though i have actually enjoyed it, i was however expecting so much more, being a new "chapter" and all...PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates !0 -
kunquatb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
@kunquatb16_ESO As I pointed out in a different thread. the revenue, the total sales, is what will speak loudest of how we feel about this as customers. The number of total sales in the first few months is what Zos will use to gauge our feedback. It is what any business uses to gauge their health.
If you assume they don't listen to ESO+ members saying "I'm opting out of ESO+ to offset chapter costs" then actually doing so, which Zos can verify. If they don't, it's shortsighted, poor business.
Enough do this, we can change the way they are acting.0 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....
This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.
The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.
And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.
They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.
Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.
Going to correct you on something. Only one content release a year won't be available for crowns or ESO+. There will be three DLC a year that can be bought through crowns or from ESO+ESO+Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
kunquatb16_ESO✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....
This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.
The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.
And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.
They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.
Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.
Going to correct you on something. Only one content release a year won't be available for crowns or ESO+. There will be three DLC a year that can be bought through crowns or from ESO+ESO+
What if the DLC is part of an unowned chapter, do ESO+ still get access?0 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....
This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.
The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.
And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.
They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.
Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.
Going to correct you on something. Only one content release a year won't be available for crowns or ESO+. There will be three DLC a year that can be bought through crowns or from ESO+ESO+
What if the DLC is part of an unowned chapter, do ESO+ still get access?
I believe ZOS have already said the DLC will be chapter-agnosticGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
kunquatb16_ESO✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....
This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.
The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.
And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.
They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.
Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.
Going to correct you on something. Only one content release a year won't be available for crowns or ESO+. There will be three DLC a year that can be bought through crowns or from ESO+ESO+
What if the DLC is part of an unowned chapter, do ESO+ still get access?
I believe ZOS have already said the DLC will be chapter-agnostic
Zos also said once that the crownstore would carry all future content.0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭The whole chapter thing is ridiculous can we boycott the term 'chapter'??
That is how they're pulling this all on us, it's a dlc and it's the size of a dlc.
If it's going to be a full expansion it has to deliver in terms of content but Morrowind didn't.
It's good for a dlc, not for an expansion. IMO.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »@turelus Zos have the right to do this.
But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.
Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....
This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.
The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.
And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.
They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.
Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.
Going to correct you on something. Only one content release a year won't be available for crowns or ESO+. There will be three DLC a year that can be bought through crowns or from ESO+ESO+
Yes that I know. Of course there will be more chapters. I meant dlc areas as we know them prior. I wonder if those are going to be smaller from now on.0 -
silky_soft✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just give it a bit. It'll be in the crownstoreThis recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.0
