I bought the crowns. You have my money. Let me buy Morrowind.

Huggalump

I bought crowns ages ago when I planned on buying Thieves guild. Looking through what the expansion had, I realized none of it interested me, so I held off.

Morrowind was announced, and I knew I would finally have a use for my crowns. On release day, after not playing ESO for nearly a year, I decide to come back so I can hop around my old stomping grounds in Morrowind for a few months until I try pvp and remember what a travesty that's become.

I log in... and I can't use my crowns to buy morrowind. I can't use my money that I put into the ESO marketplace to buy an ESO product. W. T. F.

I get that it would get tricky with ESO+ members getting constant crowns, they'd never need to purchase an expansion, but that's your problem, not mine. You have my money, let me purchase your product.

Turelus

This was all announced, discussed and debated long ago.

If you're interested you can check old threads for the debates but nothing is going to change. ZOS changed their business model (again), you can't get expansion for Crowns, there will now be one expansion a year which is stand alone payment and not DLC/ESO+ free.

Beardimus

As above, sadly its old news OP. As a fan of the game I'm ok with spending £30 to support it, the last £30 was two years ago on purchase so I'm ok with that

kunquatb16_ESO

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Darlon

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

Turelus

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Already happened, there have been many rage quit threads, protests, smack against ZOS etc.

However the number of people who have done as such seems to be in the minority. As with all things like this, there are many who hate it, but when push comes to shove most people will just buy it even if it's a bad deal because they want to play it.

Put it this way, you want to stand against it go right ahead, but you're not going to be playing any new chapters, most people will cave under that and buy them because they want the content.

kunquatb16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Already happened, there have been many rage quit threads, protests, smack against ZOS etc.

However the number of people who have done as such seems to be in the minority. As with all things like this, there are many who hate it, but when push comes to shove most people will just buy it even if it's a bad deal because they want to play it.

Put it this way, you want to stand against it go right ahead, but you're not going to be playing any new chapters, most people will cave under that and buy them because they want the content.

I'll put gaps in my sub to offset the costs, I should get them as part of ESO+, and will.

I'm encouraging others to do so, and post as to why, instead of quitting. I don't feel that telling people it's pointless is productive.

russelmmendoza

You bought crowns a year ago and now you cant use them to buy dlc.
Isnt it the way you buy dlc. Buy crowns to buy in the crown store.
Or am I reading this wrong.

MarbleQuiche

Darlon wrote: »

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

What platform/server are you on? I'm PC/EU and it looks dead to me. I'm in five full guilds and maybe 3 or 4 people in each are in Vvardefell at any one time. Waiting an hour at a world boss, except during absolute primetime (for an hourish).

I don't doubt they sold plenty. Lots of people I know bought it, but they aren't playing it. General impression I hear is "meh."

kunquatb16_ESO

russelmmendoza wrote: »

You bought crowns a year ago and now you cant use them to buy dlc.
Isnt it the way you buy dlc. Buy crowns to buy in the crown store.
Or am I reading this wrong.

You can buy all DLC on the crownstore except Morrowind, as they decided to not use the term DLC for it.

Betsararie

You can't buy Morrowind with Crowns because that's not the way it's set up.

Companies like ZOS will pull this type of thing with pricing/payment all the time.

You have to buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way so it's not like you have much of a choice. lol

It isn't perfect but it has its moments.

kunquatb16_ESO

Blanco wrote: »

You can't buy Morrowind with Crowns because that's not the way it's set up.

Companies like ZOS will pull this type of thing with pricing/payment all the time.

You have to buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way so it's not like you have much of a choice. lol

It isn't perfect but it has its moments.

You don't have to buy Morrowind, it's optional.

Betsararie

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

You can't buy Morrowind with Crowns because that's not the way it's set up.

Companies like ZOS will pull this type of thing with pricing/payment all the time.

You have to buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way so it's not like you have much of a choice. lol

It isn't perfect but it has its moments.

You don't have to buy Morrowind, it's optional.

I SAID you have to go buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way which is an opinion. And yes, that is my opinion, you don't have to buy it if you want to play the crap version of ESO.

If you don't agree, then I hope you have a good time.

kunquatb16_ESO

Blanco wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

You can't buy Morrowind with Crowns because that's not the way it's set up.

Companies like ZOS will pull this type of thing with pricing/payment all the time.

You have to buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way so it's not like you have much of a choice. lol

It isn't perfect but it has its moments.

You don't have to buy Morrowind, it's optional.

I SAID you have to go buy Morrowind to continue playing the game in any meaningful way which is an opinion. And yes, that is my opinion, you don't have to buy it if you want to play the crap version of ESO.

If you don't agree, then I hope you have a good time.

I was playing the good version of ESO before Morrowind hit, now it all lag spikes, crashes, bugs, loading screens of death, and login errors. Buying it is like paying to beta test. At this point, I'd almost be willing to pay to NOT have Morrowind.

And it should be on the crownstore, regardless of whether Zos have the right to withhold it.

Betsararie

That's fine you're entitled to your opinion of course.

I'm just of the thinking that you have to buy expansions and dlc in games to continue enjoying them, at least to the fullest

I've already been playing Morrowind for weeks (months if you count PTS), but I can tell you that I have absolutely no regrets in buying it.

As a side note, I wasn't a particular fan of the changes to resource management etc from the patch, but my gameplay experience has been enhanced by buying the actual DLC. (idc, I'm not going to use the stupid term 'chapter').

kunquatb16_ESO

Blanco wrote: »

That's fine you're entitled to your opinion of course.

I'm just of the thinking that you have to buy expansions and dlc in games to continue enjoying them, at least to the fullest

I've already been playing Morrowind for weeks (months if you count PTS), but I can tell you that I have absolutely no regrets in buying it.

As a side note, I wasn't a particular fan of the changes to resource management etc from the patch, but my gameplay experience has been enhanced by buying the actual DLC. (idc, I'm not going to use the stupid term 'chapter').

Yep, by all accounts, the story line is good, and it looks nice like the rest of the game, added more content. Unfortunately, the way it's been clawed back from Crown and ESO+ purchasers has added more discontent.

Couple that with huge lag, crashes every 20 mins, having to log out and back in just to make something that should be interactable actually interactable, random load screen, queuing, phasing... the list goes on, it's like playing the beta test 3+ years ago all over again. I'm sure it'll be worth buying when they finish it properly.

I also like full access, which is why I subscribed to ESO+, for now, I'm opting out of ESO+ to offset the price of Morrowind.

Betsararie

Yeah by all means the fact that it is not available to ESO+ members is shameful, but predictable , and performance is nothing short of *** .

Holding out to buy it until performance issues are fixed, I suppose is one way of dealing with it.

I've been playing the game for close to a year now and it's been nothing but faulty performance and glitches the entire time, but I like the game.

ADarklore

There are always performance hits and issues after a new major update is launched, always has been, always will be. Usually a lot of it is because more people return after a major update/content release and the servers get overloaded, I don't expect this to be any different. For some who say, "Game seems dead", I bought Morrowind and like MANY others, are not starting out in Morrowind because of the fear of the zones being overloaded. I know in the regular game, I've seen TONS of people running around... so NO, it's not dead... and if Morrowind is lacking population, it's probably because people are waiting for the hype to die down to go there.

Insandros

ADarklore wrote: »

There are always performance hits and issues after a new major update is launched, always has been, always will be. Usually a lot of it is because more people return after a major update/content release and the servers get overloaded, I don't expect this to be any different. For some who say, "Game seems dead", I bought Morrowind and like MANY others, are not starting out in Morrowind because of the fear of the zones being overloaded. I know in the regular game, I've seen TONS of people running around... so NO, it's not dead... and if Morrowind is lacking population, it's probably because people are waiting for the hype to die down to go there.

@ADarklore

Totaly agree, that's what me and my RL friend told ourselves before it comes out, we'll lvl our warden in normal zone, by the time the new zone get a bit less overloaded, didn't wanted to wait in queue for a boss to kill for a quest or such.. we both got early-acess and started last week-end to start questing Vvardenfell, and once inside a dungeon for a quest, we told ourselves « well, seems it still busy a lot » happened also in a few dwelved, we tried to go in casual and have some fun mostly RP it, and deal low damage to make it less easier, but couldn't much with trains of people blowing al the place apart and killing mobs.

Agobi

What a fascinating and completely new topic...wonder why noone else have thought to bring this up before? o.O

Talon_Draconis

I agree with the OP I am very peeved about the way zmax screwed us eso+ members

Huggalump

Agobi wrote: »

What a fascinating and completely new topic...wonder why noone else have thought to bring this up before? o.O

Like I said, I've been off this game for over a year. But even if I wasn't, the quantity of threads that exist speaks volumes

DaveMoeDee

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

Cêltic421

They may add it to the crown stores some time later. Or maybe not.

Cêltic421

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

Have they really spent a lot on advertising? Besides couple emails and couple videos idk what else they did for advertising.

DaveMoeDee

Cêltic421 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

Have they really spent a lot on advertising? Besides couple emails and couple videos idk what else they did for advertising.

I've come across ads in many unexpected places.

kunquatb16_ESO

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.

They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.

JimT722

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.

They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.

Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.

Publius_Scipio

You haven't lost your money. The crowns will stick with you until you use them. Punch in your damn credit card # and purchase Morrowind already. Vivec isn't going to save himself you know.

kunquatb16_ESO

JimT722 wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

Seeing how extremely crowded vvardenfell is right now, they must have had huge sales... they won't be changing anything back....

This is always a horrible argument. It is a single new zone and the numbers you see are way below what would pay for the dev work. They also spent a lot on advertising.

The number of people also tells us nothing about the impact on ESO+. 3 months of ESO+ ($42 directly to ZOS) is already more revenue than Morrowind, even without considering added overhead for increased advertising and the cut of resellers. Considering I bought it from GMG for $31 and we can assume GMG sees some of that, a Morrowind purchase is like 2 months of subbing.

And then you add in the loss of goodwill, personal recommendation are far better than adverts. Before Morrowind, I would have recommended ESO, now, I'd warn them about Zos business practices, and describe the beauty of the game, most wouldn't take that to be a recommendation.

They're losing potential customers, they're losing ESO+ members, they're losing Crown purchasers. As they release DLCs locked behind the Morrowind paywall, the more they will lose.

Like all other content dlc's, future dlc will be standalone. Many people have stockpiled crowns. Releasing Morrowind like this grants them entirely new income because it has to be bought with real currency. Right or wrong, that is a matter for debate.

Exactly, they already have their money, so now they'll exclude them. For me, there's no debate as to whether or not that's wrong, it most certainly is. it's short term gain for long term loss.

idk

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

@turelus Zos have the right to do this.

But if enough point out it's bad business long term, with posts and opting out of ESO+ and crown purchases, the more likely they'll change it back.

@kunquatb16_ESO As I pointed out in a different thread. the revenue, the total sales, is what will speak loudest of how we feel about this as customers. The number of total sales in the first few months is what Zos will use to gauge our feedback. It is what any business uses to gauge their health.