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Morrowind not worth the money
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Cêltic421✭✭✭✭SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »I agree. I hate how they've been selling it as a big "new chapter" for ESO when in reality its just a big, glorified DLC. Sure, the playable area is bigger than that of Orsinium. Sure, it holds nostalgia to it. Sure, if you don't have it you'll probably miss out on the new meta. But, honestly, $53 for a DLC? Its so much more worth just getting ESO plus for 3 months, as the upgrade does literally nothing but unlock access to the DLC. Maybe its because you don't buy it with crowns like the other DLCs. Maybe that's how they nab you for your money. "Pay another $79.99 or deal without getting your vanity pets and costumes if you dare!!!!"
So, in my opinion, it would've been way better if you could just buy it with crowns. Maybe 6000 crowns for the DLC would have changed my mind a little. Sure, I bought it. But when I think back to it, was it really worth it? I'm just getting into it now, and apparently it starts off slow but gets way better later. Right now, it just feels like I'm playing through Deshaan again, and its sort of disheartening. Maybe its the graphics or the MMO style, but it feels so different from the Morrowind I knew 15 years ago.
It's not the same as Morrowind from 15 years ago lol. Morrowind and ESO Morrowind are hundreds of years apart1 -
JWKe✭✭✭✭Zo$ has and always will be a cash grab company. Does it come as any surprise that they do this? Like a snake if we touch it, it bites. Such is with Zo$, we deal with them, they grab our cash. Nothing new. All the complaining won't change anything either. Only change you'll bring is if you stop playing their game and bring them to their knees again like at launch. Let's face it... orsinium would've been charged morrowind price too if ESO launch was actually good.4 -
Raeph✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.
@Raeph
That's because there's no difference and it's not an expansion. Literally nothing was expanded so no idea why ZeniMax chooses to describe a chapter as an expansion.
But maybe it's us saying expansion and then saying chapter and this resulted in...we want to charge real money because our crown model is nothing but an equivalent to any Great Depression or financial crash.
The value of a crown is constantly diminishing by each sale, customer support issue or on Xbox getting 10-15k due to eso Plus not working every year.
I've wrote many times. They need to remove the virtual currency entirely and all dlc should appear as an add-on to ESo like Morrowind so that they can align and have a realistic model.
Virtual currencies are dangerous paths https://www.stlouisfed.org/dialogue-with-the-fed/the-possibilities-and-the-pitfalls-of-virtual-currencies
Link 2 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bna.com/taxation-virtual-currency-n73014449855/?amp=true
That's the real world.
While the devaluing may be true for crowns bought separately, it is not true for ESO+ crowns. They hold a consistent value (perhaps discounted if you consider the other benefits to hold some monetary value), so it's the ESO+ customers that get hurt most by not allowing Morrowind to be bought with crowns. But yes, the virtual currency itself is problematic.
But as it is, I find ZOS's rationale to be dishonest as it doesn't hold up with past practice. If they just owned up to the fact that they are doing this just because they found the Orsinium model unsustainable or just because they want to make more money, I'd find it less insulting to my intelligence.2 -
Skjoldur✭✭✭aaron_campion wrote: »I was able to complete the main story of the dlc on my warden before he hit level 15. I was also doing side quests aswell. The morrowind is probably shorter then orisinum and eso+ player got that for free. Really not impressed with eso new "chapters". Its just a way that can get more money off all of us
I'm calling *** on this. My warden entered Vvardenfall at level 1. After completing the main story and the town stories (which you need to do to get the costumes, tattoos and whatnot) I was well over level 35.
There's a lot of people rubbishing worrowind cause they're pissed off over the nerfs. I was too at the start. But its well worth the money and that's coming from an ESO + subscriber. You'll easily get 30 hours entertainment before entering the public dungeons, trial or battlegrounds plus you get a whole new class.
I also don't see how he could only be level 15. After about 25% of the map I was already level 15.4 -
Skjoldur✭✭✭xBOOBOOxKITTYx wrote: »ChillsSilvertail wrote: »Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.
No, but having a new class at your disposal does. Are you deliberately ignoring that?
Unless you're like me and the Warden costs you more money... because... the character slot(s)
Yeah, that was actually a *** move from ZOS.Edited by Skjoldur on June 8, 2017 12:06AM1 -
Avalon✭✭✭✭✭Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"
Btw, I love seeing this sort of comment... And, not saying that Xylphan is this way, but many times the opposite is just as true.
Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
Cas-Player: "WOW!! You guys WAY undershot how much content there is!! I don't see how ANYONE can complete this in X hours!!! THERE IS SO MUCH TO DO!!!!" *goes and spends half an hour emoting on a cliff somewhere with a nice view, trying to line up the perfect screenshot; Then, spends an hour jumping from rocks to mushrooms, to more rocks, trying to get on top of the tallest mushroom they can find, only to discover that the developers never turned on collision for them because they never thought anyone would try to get up THAT high...*8 -
Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭Ya'll are sitting here arguing over whether or not Vvardenfell has enough content (which I don't think it does), and meanwhile, all the players that bought Morrowind for Battlegrounds are stuck sitting on their hands waiting for the patch notes that will likely never come implementing features that should have been in Battlegrounds from the start...
But don't mind us, we'll just be waiting.
PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
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JWKe✭✭✭✭Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »Ya'll are sitting here arguing over whether or not Vvardenfell has enough content (which I don't think it does), and meanwhile, all the players that bought Morrowind for Battlegrounds are stuck sitting on their hands waiting for the patch notes that will likely never come implementing features that should have been in Battlegrounds from the start...
But don't mind us, we'll just be waiting.
I laugh at folks who play MMO and think it is competitive. Blizzard can't do it I doubt a B borderline C tier company like Zo$ can do otherwise.
I wonder how they'll tweak bgs without messing up wpvp.
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Delta1038✭✭✭I suppose this is just one of those things that comes down to the individual. To me it was absolutely worth the moeny, I actually was so confident I bought the digital collectors edition to replace the physical copy I had of the original ESO. I have been playing since the release and I have barely touched the story and have been mostly just exploring and doing side quests. I think I am about about 15 hours and if my map is any indicator I am maybe 1/4 of the way through. So I am happy with the money spent ontop of my ESO+ subscription and the additional money I will spend on crowns for crates and random stuff in the store that looks cool, though mostly I am saving up for crates when it is the next crate cycle. I am sorry to hear though that not everyone is enjoying themselves as much as I am in this, maybe the next dlc will be more to your liking I hope.Xbox One NA2 -
Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »Ya'll are sitting here arguing over whether or not Vvardenfell has enough content (which I don't think it does), and meanwhile, all the players that bought Morrowind for Battlegrounds are stuck sitting on their hands waiting for the patch notes that will likely never come implementing features that should have been in Battlegrounds from the start...
But don't mind us, we'll just be waiting.
I laugh at folks who play MMO and think it is competitive. Blizzard can't do it I doubt a B borderline C tier company like Zo$ can do otherwise.
I wonder how they'll tweak bgs without messing up wpvp.
Your concept of competitive is subjective, as a lot of players would agree that MMOs are more than capable of providing competitive environments, for both PvP and PvE. WoW, GW1, GW2, AA, and TERA (just to name a few) all had extremely successful competitive PvP arenas. I played in CAL-I back in 1.6, was 184th in the world in Starcraft II Season 2 and went on to hold High Masters for 17 more seasons, hit Global Elite in CS:GO, and I would still consider MMOs to be competitive.
As for fixing Battlegrounds, that's what my signature thread is for.PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fun Fact for the OP:
Completing the Morrowind Main quest is not the same as completing all the Morrowind achievements.
Edited by Taleof2Cities on June 8, 2017 1:21AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Fun Fact for the OP:
Completing the Morrowind Main quest is not the same as completing all the Morrowind achievements.
Not just the op. Several other posters in this thread seem very confused by this.3 -
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✭The only thing close to this in value was wrothgar. This is the content ZOS should produce. Well worth the money for what you get, especially when you compare it to the value of the other offerings ZOS likes to release.0 -
grumlins✭✭✭I love how people rush things to fulfill their own prophecies.
Seems self-defeating.
Not to be rude, just pointing something out, but the opposite can be said as well:
"I love how people purposely go really slow to fulfill their own prophecies"
Have to average out the 'ZERG' players with the 'stop and smell the flowers' players. Also, I disagree that certain aspects should be included for speed of completion, such as fishing achievements and the like, as those are fairly artificial ways to increase play time. Anyone can create a game with a single quest that takes 5 minutes, and a mini-game that engages a really stingy RNG that on average will take weeks to beat, and has no real reward aside from a sense of self esteem (not sure why) and a title. But, does that mean the game has a play time of weeks? Or, is the REAL play time only minutes? Adding play time through making RNG insanely difficult is not actually increasing the worth.
Actually not quite. You see what happens is there isn't a balance between the Zerg and stop to smell the flowers players. Traditionally all mmorpg content has been made with zerg players in mind. It's these players that post about how they rush through things and then move on. If Zos has actually taken the time to put together a DLC for the players who actually stay longer because they enjoy themselves rather then trying to rush through something, that means they've broken the mold of how mmorpg games have been designed traditionally and should be commended.
This argument has come up in every MMORPG forum since World of Warcraft became mainstream and I can tell you, eventually at the 2 year mark of a game, the developers however new or old in a situation realize that they should stop making their game for people who Zerg through the game as fast as possible and make their game more enjoyable for the people who appreciate the game for what it is (which is NOT an achievement grind machine).4 -
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Group finder on my side works 100% perfectly
Awesome. Of course today Gina confirmed it is bugged and was even affecting some of the ZOS team when they were trying to use it. So I guess be glad the confirmed bugged group finder works for you.1 -
Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Group finder on my side works 100% perfectly
Solo queue works fine, it's when you're queuing as a premade that you get caught in the "you or someone in your group has declined the invite" loop.
As seen here.PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
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SchizoidMetal✭✭✭This is the way I see and its a good way to see it IMO cause its just pure dollar vs content provided. This game released in 2014, I got CE for I think 70$ it came with 12-15 zones some the same size as morrowind. it also came with a HUGE PVP zone and a TON of 4 man dungeons(trials came later) VS. 40$ for non CE to upgrade it came with one roughly the size of a DLC they added BG's for smaller pvp fighting(basically arena capture the flag style) and a 12 man trial. Now when i pay almost a new game price. I want to feel like its a whole new game. It isnt worth the money to upgrade. It just did not come with enough content to warrant that price and I am and will be telling anyone who asks. Wait for the price to drop..
I want to also say I like ESO, this "next chapter" is what brought me back to the game. I will continue to play it. Im just a older gamer who has over time watched companies take advantage of peoples want for nostalgic content, so they put a 40$ to 60$ price tag on on it and knew people would go for it. People didnt get what they expected and now everyone is up in arms when they voice their concerns about it. Well its my money and if I feel ripped. Im surely gonna say something.
They said this was not a DLC it was "the next chapter" but until more content is added(which I hope is soon) this was a DLC it came with all the other bells and whistles just about the other DLC's came with(1 zone-12man trial)(not another 4man-this really urked me) the only thing new was BG's(careless). I will bet my bottom dollar that anymore content will be called a DLC and have a new price tag on it or as per the usual require eso+ to play it.Edited by SchizoidMetal on June 8, 2017 2:55AM3 -
Cêltic421✭✭✭✭For the price tag I did expect alot more pve content. Morrowinday be the biggest zone but it has about the same amount aof content as Orsinium has. How much was Orsinium? 3000 crowns? That's about 30 dollars. With Morrowind you get a trial and battlegrounds in addition for just $10 more. I think that's a fair price considering the past pricing.
I think people are more upset that they had to actually pay cash for it instead of using crowns or ESO +. ZoS made more money for not letting it be bought with crowns. After some time when they see the sales has flat line they may add Morrowind to the crown store to drive more sales. For a limited time.1 -
SchizoidMetal✭✭✭Well they got the penny from me, its cool though. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice.. Shame on me. Its that simple. I will now wait until well after the launch of any future content to see what you get for the money. OOOh I also wanted to mention look at the horse trainer in Morrowind.. he is surrounded by guars as mounts.. but what does he sell? the same tired old horses that have been in this game since launch.. I mean COME ON FOR REALS! LOLEdited by SchizoidMetal on June 8, 2017 3:30AM0
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✭My only frustration is finding so many blocked off entrances to locations you could enter in ESIII. I wish they would have put at least a small indoor space in each of them. They wouldn't have had to be full delves, just a couple rooms with a few mobs and maybe a book to read.
Otherwise, I don't agree with all the negativity. I spend $40 easily on a nice dinner with the family. If you have the disposable income for that, the value you get for the content in Morrowind is waaaay beyond that.2 -
Whether purchased or not, Morrowind DLC was installed on it's release date, to your SSD/HDD. This means they can set parameters for unlocking later DLC related to Morrowind but if they CHOOSE to make the 'chapter' a prerequisite, will be a determining factor for my future patronage.0 -
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✭They specifically said in an ESO Live that future DLCs would not be tied to chapter purchases.1 -
Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭If you have the disposable income for that, the value you get for the content in Morrowind is waaaay beyond that.
Unless of course you bought Morrowind for Battlegrounds, in which case you're SOL!PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭Did you get all the achievements in the main land?
Did you complete the trial on vet hard mode and all the achievements?
Did you get all the BG achievements?
Do you have a max warden?
Huh.. so you didnt do all of Morrowind yet?Xbox NA - Oompa
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
The group finding tool i use is called friends or at worst guilds.
neither of them seems broken.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
The group finding tool i use is called friends or at worst guilds.
neither of them seems broken.
Clearly you haven't attempted to queue for Battlegrounds with your so called friends.PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
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