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Morrowind not worth the money
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I was able to complete the main story of the dlc on my warden before he hit level 15. I was also doing side quests aswell. The morrowind is probably shorter then orisinum and eso+ player got that for free. Really not impressed with eso new "chapters". Its just a way that can get more money off all of us
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Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭But have you completed all of Morrowind yet? The main quest I did in no time at all but there is still a lot to do.14 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It only had about 35 quests not including dailies, a afternoon of content if you slot rapids on a fast mount. I say it's a more of 25 dollar game16 -
Rawreak Rovyre✭✭✭I love how people rush things to fulfill their own prophecies.
Seems self-defeating.43 -
Xylphan✭✭✭✭Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭I love how people rush things to fulfill their own prophecies.
Seems self-defeating.
Not to be rude, just pointing something out, but the opposite can be said as well:
"I love how people purposely go really slow to fulfill their own prophecies"
Have to average out the 'ZERG' players with the 'stop and smell the flowers' players. Also, I disagree that certain aspects should be included for speed of completion, such as fishing achievements and the like, as those are fairly artificial ways to increase play time. Anyone can create a game with a single quest that takes 5 minutes, and a mini-game that engages a really stingy RNG that on average will take weeks to beat, and has no real reward aside from a sense of self esteem (not sure why) and a title. But, does that mean the game has a play time of weeks? Or, is the REAL play time only minutes? Adding play time through making RNG insanely difficult is not actually increasing the worth.24 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.Edited by Aliyavana on June 7, 2017 7:29PM15 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭Well i am not going to disagree with MW having far less content that a expansion should have it was extremely disappointing
BUT no way did you do all the questing in mw and only hit 15 there was what 10 quests for the main story so hitting 15 from that is not bad in it self you should hit at lest 30 by the time you are fully done with mw quests and that's from developers them self
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ChillsSilvertail✭✭✭Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.
No, but having a new class at your disposal does. Are you deliberately ignoring that?10 -
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✭✭✭Gota laugh at those who defend ZOs to the grave lolPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything19 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a small dlc named a chapter
Maybe going forward we may see a larger dlc but the way chapters were introduced, it sounded like content development was going to take longer
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They still need content to justify eso plus or crowns ....
So notice housing and cosmetics costs more in any real money conversion than any dlc or chapter-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ChillsSilvertail wrote: »Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.
No, but having a new class at your disposal does. Are you deliberately ignoring that?
5 hrs of grinding in skyreach and playing through the same content I did in my stam sorc counts as morrowind content?4 -
Raeph✭✭✭I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.4
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.
This is the problem. The only thing I can see as a possibility is that they have stuff planned to be built off of Morrowind somehow, and this will be the gateway to getting those extra pieces. But, that would then mean further movement away from the ESO+ gets all DLC's free thing, since those DLC's would say ESO+ & Morrowind 'chapter'. I don't see a good, reasonable path from here without completely seeming like cash grabs.9 -
ChillsSilvertail✭✭✭ChillsSilvertail wrote: »Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.
No, but having a new class at your disposal does. Are you deliberately ignoring that?
5 hrs of grinding in skyreach and playing through the same content I did in my stam sorc counts as morrowind content?
Well, that clears it up completely. You and I have a very different view of content and how to play and enjoy the game. Nothing I say would be interpreted the way I mean it and vice versa.6 -
Not worth the money, eh? I'm actually quite enjoying it, so if you believe I should be refunded a partial amount of the game then by all means, I'll take some cash from you. My wallet could do for a surprise money drop, thank you kindly!4 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
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Since i cant cuss at you heres a lore friendly insult, swit... but sorry I can't see the correlation. A additional class will not add 30 more hrs of gameplay to morrowind's content as you go through the same things you go through on other classes. If I did I can say each of the original game classes and specs add 30 more hrs and leveling one character of every race adds 30 more hrs... a class does not add more quests simply adds a while to master it and you don't even have to touch morrowind to level or master a warden
[edit to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on June 8, 2017 2:04AM3 -
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✭✭✭I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.
This is the problem. The only thing I can see as a possibility is that they have stuff planned to be built off of Morrowind somehow, and this will be the gateway to getting those extra pieces. But, that would then mean further movement away from the ESO+ gets all DLC's free thing, since those DLC's would say ESO+ & Morrowind 'chapter'. I don't see a good, reasonable path from here without completely seeming like cash grabs.
There really isn't 1.
If they do plan on expanding Morrowind with the 3 DLC plans ESO+ members would get as part of their subs, then all the subscribers that don't buy Morrowind (and possibly future chapters) are locked out of it and that's just a huge can of worms in itself.
If Morrowind stays as is, with nothing extra added ever again, then Chapters are a cash grab. They might add a handful of new things (Trial, class, etc.) but as tempting as that might seem, it just seems like a bad practice to charge exponentially higher prices for what amounts to a DLC in regards to the actual content provided.
The only way to appease everyone would be to release new content for both Vanilla ESO and chapters but this is an unrealistic expectation to have as ZOS has a hard enough time making 1 bit of content in a timely fashion, let alone create content for both chapters and base game.
I'm 100% expecting that ZOS will take the 1st plan and expand Morrowind with subsequent DLC, more or less forcing people to buy Morrowind as that's what any smart business would do, to place further value on their product, but I'm honestly not sure if ZOS could survive the backlash of that model. Both sub and non-sub Vanilla ESO players that want nothing to do with Chapters would be up in arms as they are being denied new content just because they didn't want to shell over the initial cost of Morrowind but are willing to buy/sub for subsequent content, with claims of P2W being thrown around more than ever, and how ESO+ is worthless since DLC are Chapter locked (despite all the extra storage space it gets you; people love excluding that)
Regardless of ZOS's actions, someone is going to be upset by it. Either you accept it and fork over the money or you don't and enjoy Vanilla ESO for however long you can play the same content over and over again and enjoy it.Edited by Silver_Strider on June 7, 2017 10:10PMArgonian forever5 -
TheDarkoil✭✭✭If there wasn't a single quest in Morrowind I probably would have still paid full price just to look around it. Just to clarify this is pretty much all I've done so far in it and I've had it installed for over 50 hours of playtime.4
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.
@Raeph
That's because there's no difference and it's not an expansion. Literally nothing was expanded so no idea why ZeniMax chooses to describe a chapter as an expansion.
But maybe it's us saying expansion and then saying chapter and this resulted in...we want to charge real money because our crown model is nothing but an equivalent to any Great Depression or financial crash.
The value of a crown is constantly diminishing by each sale, customer support issue or on Xbox getting 10-15k due to eso Plus not working every year.
I've wrote many times. They need to remove the virtual currency entirely and all dlc should appear as an add-on to ESo like Morrowind so that they can align and have a realistic model.
Virtual currencies are dangerous paths https://www.stlouisfed.org/dialogue-with-the-fed/the-possibilities-and-the-pitfalls-of-virtual-currencies
Link 2 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bna.com/taxation-virtual-currency-n73014449855/?amp=true
That's the real world.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 7, 2017 10:35PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Thrasher91604✭✭✭✭✭You know, if all you do is run from quest point to quest point, skipping all the dialogue, then it's probably not worth it for you.6 -
Cêltic421✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »I suppose for me at this point I'm having a really hard time buying into the rationalization of Morrowind being more of an expansion and that's why it can't be bought with crowns. Are we really getting substantially more than we got from Orsinium? That's the benchmark it should be judged by.
This is the problem. The only thing I can see as a possibility is that they have stuff planned to be built off of Morrowind somehow, and this will be the gateway to getting those extra pieces. But, that would then mean further movement away from the ESO+ gets all DLC's free thing, since those DLC's would say ESO+ & Morrowind 'chapter'. I don't see a good, reasonable path from here without completely seeming like cash grabs.
There really isn't 1.
If they do plan on expanding Morrowind with the 3 DLC plans ESO+ members would get as part of their subs, then all the subscribers that don't buy Morrowind (and possibly future chapters) are locked out of it and that's just a huge can of worms in itself.
If Morrowind stays as is, with nothing extra added ever again, then Chapters are a cash grab. They might add a handful of new things (Trial, class, etc.) but as tempting as that might seem, it just seems like a bad practice to charge exponentially higher prices for what amounts to a DLC in regards to the actual content provided.
The only way to appease everyone would be to release new content for both Vanilla ESO and chapters but this is an unrealistic expectation to have as ZOS has a hard enough time making 1 bit of content in a timely fashion, let alone create content for both chapters and base game.
I'm 100% expecting that ZOS will take the 1st plan and expand Morrowind with subsequent DLC, more or less forcing people to buy Morrowind as that's what any smart business would do, to place further value on their product, but I'm honestly not sure if ZOS could survive the backlash of that model. Both sub and non-sub Vanilla ESO players that want nothing to do with Chapters would be up in arms as they are being denied new content just because they didn't want to shell over the initial cost of Morrowind but are willing to buy/sub for subsequent content, with claims of P2W being thrown around more than ever, and how ESO+ is worthless since DLC are Chapter locked (despite all the extra storage space it gets you; people love excluding that)
Regardless of ZOS's actions, someone is going to be upset by it. Either you accept it and fork over the money or you don't and enjoy Vanilla ESO for however long you can play the same content over and over again and enjoy it.
They going to add to Morrowind with DLC but you don't need Morrowind for those documents.1 -
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✭aaron_campion wrote: »I was able to complete the main story of the dlc on my warden before he hit level 15. I was also doing side quests aswell. The morrowind is probably shorter then orisinum and eso+ player got that for free. Really not impressed with eso new "chapters". Its just a way that can get more money off all of us
I'm calling *** on this. My warden entered Vvardenfall at level 1. After completing the main story and the town stories (which you need to do to get the costumes, tattoos and whatnot) I was well over level 35.
There's a lot of people rubbishing worrowind cause they're pissed off over the nerfs. I was too at the start. But its well worth the money and that's coming from an ESO + subscriber. You'll easily get 30 hours entertainment before entering the public dungeons, trial or battlegrounds plus you get a whole new class.NA PC | AD
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SirGabenOfSteamia✭✭✭✭I agree. I hate how they've been selling it as a big "new chapter" for ESO when in reality its just a big, glorified DLC. Sure, the playable area is bigger than that of Orsinium. Sure, it holds nostalgia to it. Sure, if you don't have it you'll probably miss out on the new meta. But, honestly, $53 for a DLC? Its so much more worth just getting ESO plus for 3 months, as the upgrade does literally nothing but unlock access to the DLC. Maybe its because you don't buy it with crowns like the other DLCs. Maybe that's how they nab you for your money. "Pay another $79.99 or deal without getting your vanity pets and costumes if you dare!!!!"
So, in my opinion, it would've been way better if you could just buy it with crowns. Maybe 6000 crowns for the DLC would have changed my mind a little. Sure, I bought it. But when I think back to it, was it really worth it? I'm just getting into it now, and apparently it starts off slow but gets way better later. Right now, it just feels like I'm playing through Deshaan again, and its sort of disheartening. Maybe its the graphics or the MMO style, but it feels so different from the Morrowind I knew 15 years ago.Edited by SirGabenOfSteamia on June 7, 2017 10:50PMAnd so, Akatosh revealed himself to a young Gaben, and granted him purpose.
"Grant them Steam sales," he commanded.
And obey, he did.3 -
ChillsSilvertail wrote: »Developers: "This has around X hours of new content..."
HC Gamer: "BS. I pounded monster drinks, fed my character with every speed buff I could get my grubby hands on, clicked through all the dialogue like pop-up ads on a *** site, and did it in 30 minutes! Not worth!"If only Morrowind was all about the quests your statement might be accurate.
Rp walking and counting all nodes in the way does not count as content.
No, but having a new class at your disposal does. Are you deliberately ignoring that?
Unless you're like me and the Warden costs you more money... because... the character slot(s)
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Xylphan✭✭✭✭GeneralMcFist wrote: »Not worth the money, eh? I'm actually quite enjoying it, so if you believe I should be refunded a partial amount of the game then by all means, I'll take some cash from you. My wallet could do for a surprise money drop, thank you kindly!
The other problem here is that complainers keep comparing it to expansions in other games. Morrowind is a one time purchase. You buy it once, and you can play it for as long as the servers remain active. No subscriptions, not crown store purchases, nothing. You can go away for a year, come back, and hop right into the game. A special event is coming up you want to hop back in the game for, feel free to do so.
In other games, you have pay and keep paying. You go away for a year and come back, that's $15 please. Just want to hop on just for old times sake? $15 please. A special event is going on you want to get in on every few months? $15 please.
Different economic models, different game development.
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