As far as I know (relatively new), your bank space is doubled (to your purchased max) if you're an ESO+ subscriber. You also get a Craft Bag which seems infinite, and holds any and all crafting materials (not recipes or armor, etc.), just raw materials.

To be honest, as a RP/casual/crafter type of player, those two benefits are pretty great. Plus the 1500 crowns pay for themselves, if you're interested in costumes and mounts.

I can see that point about it being a paywall. I find the subscription cost so trivial in comparison to how often I play this game, it's really a non-issue.

Inventory upgradeable for in-game gold

per character (8 free) - 200 slots
one bank - 240 slots

If you are a pack rat and you would like to keep every possible crafting material it could get tight for sure or you might want to have alts just for the purpose of crafting and holding materials.

ESO+ doubles the bank slots to 480 plus all crafting materials go into a bottomless extra bag.

ESO+ doubles what bank space you have. If you have the max 240, you get 480.

If you only have 100, then you get 200.

You can buy 200 slots per character and up to 240 bank spaces with in-game gold (or with crowns if you are in a hurry, but I never did).

DHale wrote: »

If you can't or won't pay less than 50 cents a day then that is on you.

1) In the UK so that will be pence, not cents.
2) About to get shafted on Friday, so rule out stable income.
3) About to get shafted again in 18 months, so no economy.....

You see a good business model would have all bases covered.

Donari wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, so been away for a long time. Before I buy the Morrowind chapter, what is the story with bank space, inventory and the shed load of new crafting items? is all the bank and bag space now hidden behind a pay wall?

All of it? No. Non ESO-Plus still gets as much bank space as before, bought with in-game gold. They just recently doubled the amount the gold buys if you are subbed. For bag space, yes, the sub makes a substantial QoL difference thanks to the crafting bag's essentially infinite room, but that's been there a long time now. It didn't come with Morrowind.

If inventory space wasn't more plentiful for subs, what would you suggest as an incentive/reward for spending regular monthly money on the game?

But they flooded the game with crafting ingredients, making damn sure that all free/in game purchased bank space gets taken up. Really bitter taste in the mouth now. Especially since I have crowns to burn.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

If you can't or won't pay less than 50 cents a day then that is on you.

1) In the UK so that will be pence, not cents.
2) About to get shafted on Friday, so rule out stable income.
3) About to get shafted again in 18 months, so no economy.....

You see a good business model would have all bases covered.

Donari wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, so been away for a long time. Before I buy the Morrowind chapter, what is the story with bank space, inventory and the shed load of new crafting items? is all the bank and bag space now hidden behind a pay wall?

All of it? No. Non ESO-Plus still gets as much bank space as before, bought with in-game gold. They just recently doubled the amount the gold buys if you are subbed. For bag space, yes, the sub makes a substantial QoL difference thanks to the crafting bag's essentially infinite room, but that's been there a long time now. It didn't come with Morrowind.

If inventory space wasn't more plentiful for subs, what would you suggest as an incentive/reward for spending regular monthly money on the game?

But they flooded the game with crafting ingredients, making damn sure that all free/in game purchased bank space gets taken up. Really bitter taste in the mouth now. Especially since I have crowns to burn.

Does that not depend on your playstyle? Because you don't need to hang onto 90% of materials for armour and weapons etc, anything below max level can go (or below the level your main character is). Figure out which pots benefit you the most, sell all other plants once it's leveled. If you ever change something either farm at that point or use the gold you've made from selling to buy the correct materials.

Are you talking about the extra ones for housing? That is 1 item per craft. (Edit: Some more with Morrowind ... not sure how many actually)

I mean it's not like it's unplayable without ESO+, as I said you either use some characters as mules or don't hoard 'Edit: keep' everything ...?

Jeremy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, so been away for a long time. Before I buy the Morrowind chapter, what is the story with bank space, inventory and the shed load of new crafting items? is all the bank and bag space now hidden behind a pay wall?

My experience is you are going to have inventory problems on this game unless you subscribe, especially if you take up crafting. It's one of their incentives to encourage you to pay.

So if you don't plan on subscribing you should probably be prepared for that,.

That's the biggest issue I have with this game actually. Pay up, or else we starve you of inventory space, NOT Pay up, and you get these luxury non-paytowin-items.

Rouven wrote: »

Does that not depend on your playstyle? Because you don't need to hang onto 90% of materials for armour and weapons etc, anything below max level can go (or below the level your main character is). Figure out which pots benefit you the most, sell all other plants once it's leveled. If you ever change something either farm at that point or use the gold you've made from selling to buy the correct materials.

Are you talking about the extra ones for housing? That is 1 item per craft. (Edit: Some more with Morrowind ... not sure how many actually)

I mean it's not like it's unplayable without ESO+, as I said you either use some characters as mules or don't hoard 'Edit: keep' everything ...?

The thing is I do craft, so having my crafting materials in the bank means I spend less time crafting and more time playing. I still haven't forgiven ZOS for dropping DX9, and had plenty of bag space before I had no choice to leave. Now I come back and they've pulled another fast one...

I don't see why I should character hop in order to craft something when asked to craft. The minimum bank space should be able to hold a stack of all crafting materials in the game plus 11. Flooding the game with crafting material then putting the extra bank space behind a pay wall is a shady practice.

@magictucktuck I'm sure I did mention in game bank space somewhere....

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

But they flooded the game with crafting ingredients, making damn sure that all free/in game purchased bank space gets taken up. Really bitter taste in the mouth now. Especially since I have crowns to burn.

Still think I confused? I kind of thought there was no need to mention the gold purchased bank space because it's kind of common sense that it's there since people usually on the forum play the game.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

never subscribed to a game, don't intend to subscribe to a game. it seems ZOS has learned nothing.

Learned what? That you haven't subscribed to a game before, or that you never will?

Now they know. They "learned" that today.

What are you on about?

nine9six wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

never subscribed to a game, don't intend to subscribe to a game. it seems ZOS has learned nothing.

Learned what? That you haven't subscribed to a game before, or that you never will?

Now they know. They "learned" that today.

What are you on about?

Hmm, where shall we start.. Destroying the economy by day 12... Decimating the player base when they dropped DX9 because their game engine couldn't handle it. You know the kind of things that game devs don't do to keep people playing the game. I'm sure I mentioned that I have crowns to burn and I intended to buy Morrowind.

And as the MMO industry has been backing away from the subscription model in favor of micro transactions for quite some time now, then ZOS has learned nothing.

But at least @NewBlacksmurf has given me the answer in a short concise way. If someone was to say "Well, your housing can hold crafting materials" then that would have been a different matter all together.

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Meh. Sub up for QoL or get used to alts.
ESO+ is going ok, or would you complain less if it gave P2W boni instead?

Why is it pay to win for bank space to rise in line with the amount of crafting materials they introduced into the game? This is a problem created by ZOS.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned earlier about the state of my bank/bag space before I left earlier.... Maybe read what I post before commenting?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

never subscribed to a game, don't intend to subscribe to a game. it seems ZOS has learned nothing.

Ah....you are one of those. MMOs are NOT for you. Bye.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll rephrase the question. Seems I've confused people.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, so been away for a long time. Before I buy the Morrowind chapter, what is the story with bank space, inventory and the shed load of new crafting items? Is all the extra bank and bag space that has been added since launch hidden behind a pay wall?

Ah, I see. I'm willing to bet that you believe most of your problems are the fault of others.

@CaptainBeerDude There are other commitments other then games... I prefer to pay for things out right and not have to worry about a subscription. [snip]

@nine9six Did I mention anything about going? Must have missed that memo.

@Drogo50 1) MMOs are not for me? Seem to be doing well on Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, DDO.
2) Seriously, you want to look in on the UK, we paid a tax bill of £1.5 billion to the EU because they forgot to bill us
for prostitution and drugs, the things that are illegal in the UK and have no tax collected on. I'm dreading
tomorrow morning.
3) Not sure how you came to conclusion about my problems being others fault. I kind of took it for granted that the
in game purchased bag and bank slots would have been taken in to account. It wasn't, so I corrected my original
question. Is it may fault for taking something for granted? Yes. Am I blaming anybody else because of it?

@Tannus15 I see your point, but I prefer to have everything to hand so when I'm asked to craft something I can just head to the station and do it, no running around finding the materials, no bouncing between characters moving stuff around. I could just purge everything in my bank and only have stuff in to look after myself, but why? Is it not better to help people when asked? And crafting is the easiest way and most useful way to help people as they level up.

[Edit for Flaming]

If I read this right, you want the benefits of ESO+ (the most significant of them at least) for quality of life reasons, but without having to pay for them. Yeah... if this was to happen, the steady revenue from subscriptions would drop substantially. No company with half a brain would do this.

You CAN play without these benefits, in fact those of us who started in 2014 and stuck with the game since then have done so for a long time. It's more time-consuming? Sure! But if you can't or won't subscribe, you won't be actually walled out of gameplay or inventory - you just won't have the ESO+ perks. I don't see how this is hard to understand (your original post makes it seem like you are finding it hard to come to terms with this).

If you were just looking for sympathy you're late to the party, this topic was discussed ad nauseum when crafting bags were introduced as an exclusive perk.

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