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Stop microtransactions!
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭....it's a buy-to-play mmo. It's going to have microtransactions.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure what the best model is. Subbing suits me to a tee because I only play exclusively one game at a time and, for the moment, that game is ESO. I play it everyday so am getting my sub money's worth I figure. For those who play many games at once or may only play ESO once a week or so, the sub model seems like a poor value and microtransactions seem perhaps like a better choice.
As things are, I guess Zenimax is trying to cater to all kinds of players and that is not necessarily a bad idea since we don't all share the same playstyle or objectives.
That all said, the implementation can always be improved. Parsing words to charge sub players for a DLC that is called a 'Chapter' probably lost Zen more credibility with subbers than it gained in coin. Similarly, the crates are perhaps not a good idea. I would be happy to pay normal price in the crown store to buy a palomino horse but I have never and will never toss money into mystery boxes gambling on unknown contents - and my view here seems to be quite commonly held among players. And yes, I agree with others that some mounts and costumes are overpriced enough to be a turn off (read: refuse to buy some of them due to this).Edited by AcadianPaladin on June 7, 2017 1:09PMPC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
asuitandtyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭GunMetalGazm wrote: »I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.
Okay, wow, this post has some logic failings. No disrespect to you as a person, but did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it?
Granted, the micro-transactions in ESO are not good deals. Other games like GW2 have fairer charging prices, so ESO could be less greedy.
Now that being said, your statement goes beyond that reasonable complaint into absurdity. I'm sorry, I don't want to make you feel bad, but it's true. First of all, if you're going to complain about a micro-transaction, then complain about buy-to-win. Don't complain about having to pay for a luxury like cosmetics. They have no impact on the game, you don't need them for any reason, and it's probably the best product they can sell that won't upset players who will not buy anything.
I will argue that these companies do it to keep afloat. They are a business, they need to pay their employees. It is either a shop, a subscription, a buy to play like BDO or GW2, or a combination. I'm not going to go into details on why it costs money to produce a product, or to maintain a product, this is a basic concept that everyone should understand. Your assertion that a company can be around for decades means nothing. Longevity does not just magically produce a safety net of income. Money doesn't appear for a company because they have operated for decades. That is a ridiculous assertion.0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Appleblade wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Who needs money to develop a massive game anyway?
Well, you missed his point, you see. They've been around for years, so they can stop charging dirty money and continue to run on good feelings, dragon spit and mage fire! Or, wait... maybe ZOS/Bethesda/$RandomCompany has tenure? That's what their professer in college- the one who enlightened them on the EVILS of capitalism and the anarchofascist patrimarket culture of hateism- had. Yeah, that must be it.
I don't think you understand how much money it takes to develop a game anymore.
In the 90s or early 2000s it was maybe up to a million or a little over. Some of these new games are 10s of millions to produce, and no change is simply made over night.0 -
You're about two years too late for the argument in this game, and a few years too late for it in the gaming industry in general.
Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?
Yes and I do sub. Unfortunately there aren't enough ppl left who are willing to sub so it's a necessary evil. One big advantage of subscribe system is that it keeps a lot of asshattery at bay since ppl don't want to pay to be able to be an ***.
funny how there are more than enough willing to sub to wow and ff14... I suppose make something worth a sub to? for the first 3 years almost there wasn't much worth a sub to. I'm filling up my bank then likely never subbing again to this, may not even play it much any more after Stormblood.
After everything (almost) in this game was finally unlocked and scaled, it might have been worth it for a couple or few months. But honestly with no endgame there is no longevity and flipping cash shop assets (it has been proven done with at least a couple of outfits already and I don't even keep track of this and know that) or other ingame assets to sell you a guar for the fifth time is cheap and profitable because most people tend to be consumer zombies these days. They've been groomed for the role for most of their lives.
Some companies are downright geedy and lazy, though. While others realize actually giving you incentive is better for all involved than grabbing you by the jewels. The 'others' I mentioned would be Squenix and, as painful as it is to say it especially since i have seen some greed in hearthstone changes this year, Blizzard. Blizzard is greedy AF with hearthstone now, but they eventually came around and listen to people with d3 and wow wouldn't have millions of mandatory subscribers still if they weren't also being good to their players there.
Wow also has a cash shop, btw. But the only content that ever comes out is NOT a reskin of a mount for the fifth or sixth time with a 40 dollar price tag attached to it. Although I believe they are killing hearthstone, since it isn't worth playing catch up in that game for those that don't bot it, but that's a horse of a different color.
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DMuehlhausen wrote: »GunMetalGazm wrote: »I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.
They jumping on because it makes more money and people pay it. Just like companies like Microsoft and Adobe. You now pay monthly for Office and Acrobat Standard and Pro. That makes them so much more money than jut a flat up front fee. I've been paying for Office now for I think 3 years. That's 9.99/month (so around 360$) office use to be 299$ and they aren't paying for boxes and shipping product around the globe.
It's not going to go away. So you have a choice. Either accept i, or stop playing games.
some pay monthly to use it
the choice isn't so black and white as or stop playing games
you just made me laugh... are you an automaton?
I won't accept it and I will still enjoy the games
Perhaps one day once pinnochio becomes a real boy it will realize it has more than the two basically programmed choices it was shilling up there
I won't begin paying 3, 4 , 5 times or more as much for games likely with less content than I was used to... and I will still play them, as 'complete' ... there are always choices for those of us with some dignity and that think for ourselvesEdited by necronomniconb14_ESO on June 7, 2017 1:25PM1 -
AdamBourke✭✭✭✭✭ESO doesn't have microtransactions anymore, it has macrotransactions...PS4 - EU
Please put the Eyevea/EarthForge wayshrines back on the map?4 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GunMetalGazm wrote: »I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.
You do realize that over those "decades", market situations have changed, right? So the same funding/prices/sales/etc that worked in, say, 1980 or 1990, don't work the same as they do in 2017?
Base game prices in the industry have stayed at $50-60 for a looooong time. While the cost of producing a game (in super-HD, lots of audio, tens of gigs of data, etc) have gone up. (plus console used-game sales, which the devs see nothing from). They have to get their money from somewhere, so we have DLC & microtransactions.
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭The way I see it, at least they're cosmetic and not something that gives you advantages in-game."Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance1 -
CherryCake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »The way I see it, at least they're cosmetic and not something that gives you advantages in-game.
For the moment... =DI like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
saucefarb16_ESO✭✭✭SASQUATCH0 wrote: »It's 2017 buddy. Days of full game content in one cartridge/disc are long gone.
They're only forgotten with your consent. I still have shelves full of complete games from the mid 90's or early 2000's and they sure aren't going anywhere.
If that mean's i'm never buying a game again so be it. (still waiting for Bannerlord though).0 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭GunMetalGazm wrote: »I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.
@GunMetalGazm This ship sailed two years ago when the game dropped their required sub.
Time and time again we see that many folk do not wish to pay a required subscription fee, and when the games launch without these fees or remove them later we see some sort of cash shop where COSMETICS can be purchased because they do not impact fair gameplay.
The game was performing poorly in the year after release. In player count, and literal game performance in many different ways. Their solution was to re-release as a B2P title and hope that the lack of subscription fee would entice more people to pick up the game, or return after having left.
ESO, like pretty much all other multiplayer titles, is not a charity. If they don't have stable enough income, the servers shut down and they will stop draining their own wallets on it. An MMO takes servers and upkeep, no matter how poorly one could argue ZOS does at those things some days, the microtransactions are there to pay for that and the employees. Goodness knows how overpriced some of this stuff is, but it's not there for giggles in the first place.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].0 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭you are absolutely right and i agree with you
with the exception of free-to-play games, microtransactions are an anti-consumer practice that should not have been allowed to get this far out of hand
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Vipstaakki✭✭✭✭✭
✭Microtransactions and DLC will be the future of gaming whether you wanted it or not. You have already lost the battle. People buy enough microtransactions to make it an enticing business model.0 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »OP, you know this is Zenimax Online Studios, not Bethesda right?
Bethesda has been handling all of ESO's social media support (like server outage status, etc)
ESO Live was moved to the Bethesda channel on Twitch.
The person on linkedin who lists their job as being head of Marketing for ESO is employed directly by Bethesda.
ZOS and Bethesda are sister companies under the same parent company.
A Bethesda employee tweeted yesterday about one of his first meetings at Bethesda was about deciding the ESO Morrowind Box art.
These two companies are more intermingled than you seem to think and while I disagree with the OP, he wasn't wrong mentioning Bethesda.
Try knowing what you're talking about?
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Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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F7sus4✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fully supporting microtransactions. At least we have fundraisers paying ridiculous $ for useless stuff allowing the game to be constantly developed.1 -
Sotihe✭✭✭yeah this practice has been going on for years. It be nice to maybe see a few more things earned thru ingame but I still support the store because it does up fund the game.0
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Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Appleblade wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Who needs money to develop a massive game anyway?
Well, you missed his point, you see. They've been around for years, so they can stop charging dirty money and continue to run on good feelings, dragon spit and mage fire! Or, wait... maybe ZOS/Bethesda/$RandomCompany has tenure? That's what their professer in college- the one who enlightened them on the EVILS of capitalism and the anarchofascist patrimarket culture of hateism- had. Yeah, that must be it.
I don't think you understand how much money it takes to develop a game anymore.
In the 90s or early 2000s it was maybe up to a million or a little over. Some of these new games are 10s of millions to produce, and no change is simply made over night.
I really didn't think I needed the sarcasm tag.1 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭yeah this practice has been going on for years. It be nice to maybe see a few more things earned thru ingame but I still support the store because it does up fund the game.
We got what I considered to be a pleasant surprise in terms of the amount of costume/tattoo/pet stuff that can be obtained via quest or achievement in Morrowind update. No less than 2 costumes, 2 sets of body and face tattoos, a pet, etc.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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makerofthings✭✭✭There are tons of in game costumes, mementoes and the such already in the game. I have no problem shelling out a couple of bucks to support this game including my ESO+ sub.0
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Cêltic421✭✭✭✭SASQUATCH0 wrote: »It's 2017 buddy. Days of full game content in one cartridge/disc are long gone.
True. Smh1 -
sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭Was the thread title "GIMME VIDEO GAME STUFF FOR FREE!!!!!!!" already taken?
Seems a tad more straightforward and intellectually honest.0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is why i don't buy that kind of stuff.
Afterall it's just cosmetics, why should i care, they don't give any content to play.
Luckly, zenimax isn't taking the next step and making this game p2w. and that's for they're own good, p2w games don't last very long, because they are ***, sure you might make a buck or 2, but then players will get tired of that, and will leave.Edited by JinMori on June 8, 2017 12:20AM0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »You're about two years too late for the argument in this game, and a few years too late for it in the gaming industry in general.
Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?
Even though I pay a sub (for the crowns because I love pretty dresses and the bag and stuff) I would hate it to know that I can only play the game IF I pay, so I guess companies just try their best to survive somehow =/ . Not going to deny though, that Id love to earn some costumes in game or at least have them cheaper.
I've got 3 awesome bear costumes straight out of in game achievements.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭Games are being designed with micro transactions right out of the box. The gaming industry is going horrible places. I miss subscription MMO's but people are stupid. Look at housing in subscription MMO's. Some are as good or better. This one is good but designed with micro transactions in mind if for example you want to show your characters devotion to Hircine.Edited by JimT722 on June 8, 2017 12:26AM0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Game companies give up micro transactions?
Best laugh Ive had in days.
That horse left the barn a long time ago and the barn fell down from old age.Beta tester November 20130
