You're about two years too late for the argument in this game, and a few years too late for it in the gaming industry in general.

Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?

Turelus wrote: »

You're about two years too late for the argument in this game, and a few years too late for it in the gaming industry in general.

Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?

This, note that if we had sub we would probably also got an crown store, wow has it even if sub.

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.

If you're a subscriber then I agree, if you play without paying anything then I don't.

And don't drag Bethesda into this they have NOTHING TO DO with ESO, blame their parent Zenimax Inc.

Turelus wrote: »

Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?

Yes.

Turelus wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You're about two years too late for the argument in this game, and a few years too late for it in the gaming industry in general.

Also if this game doesn't have micro-transactions then it will be mandatory subs, do you want to pay $15 a month?

Even though I pay a sub (for the crowns because I love pretty dresses and the bag and stuff) I would hate it to know that I can only play the game IF I pay, so I guess companies just try their best to survive somehow =/ . Not going to deny though, that Id love to earn some costumes in game or at least have them cheaper.

I won't say I don't want more items from in game sources (Morrowind did well for this I feel), but yeah I think people have to realise that without all those micro-transactions (even if some are stupidly over priced) we wouldn't really have much of a game to be playing.

I won't defend ZOS shady practices like Crates or the insane prices, but I will support the store being there as I want this game to continue.

Same, dont support the crates, think the crown store could definitely be a bit cheaper, especially mounts and personalities, but still happy I am not forced to pay a sub or any of those items to play the game.

As long as it stays cosmetic only then that's fine by me. I do think that the items are a little on the expensive side though. I mean I buy a lot of costumes and stuff, I like messing around with the colours which is fine but the assistant and banker for 5,000 each is a joke. That's about £25 and you can't even rename the silly cow or repair items with her.

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.

So.

Would you rather the companies sell power or cosmetics?

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.

They jumping on because it makes more money and people pay it. Just like companies like Microsoft and Adobe. You now pay monthly for Office and Acrobat Standard and Pro. That makes them so much more money than jut a flat up front fee. I've been paying for Office now for I think 3 years. That's 9.99/month (so around 360$) office use to be 299$ and they aren't paying for boxes and shipping product around the globe.

It's not going to go away. So you have a choice. Either accept i, or stop playing games.

Who needs money to develop a massive game anyway?

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.

Why because you can't afford it

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

It's not going to go away. So you have a choice. Either accept i, or stop playing games.

You mean stop playing expensive "AAA "game without very basic feature like a grouping tool( just an exemple) and go give your money to real indie dev. If so ,yeah that s totally what we should all do if we want that our children know
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Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

GunMetalGazm wrote: »

I think it's insane how game companies are all jumping on the band wagon and charging money for cosmetic items. We should be able to earn items and not have to shell out real cash for them. Bad enough companies are half assing games on release and then selling the rest of the game as DLC. And don't argue that these companies do it to keep them afloat. That is complete B.S.! A majority of these companies have been around for decades and Bethesda is one of them.

If you're a subscriber then I agree, if you play without paying anything then I don't.

And don't drag Bethesda into this they have NOTHING TO DO with ESO, blame their parent Zenimax Inc.

While we could lay blame at the feet of ZeniMax Media, in this case, Bethesda is adequate. To some degree, ZOS. They work together to bring us the Crown Store, Crown Crates, ESO Plus, and Chapters. No one knows, for sure, where the line is between ZOS and Bethesda. I like to think that everything evil about the game (B2P, Crown Store badness, Crown Crates, Chapters, endless lore-breaking mount re-skins, etc) was championed by Bethesda, while all the good in the game comes from ZOS.

Quite the counterintuition there... But hey, we all like to daydream from time to time, right?

Makes perfect (not) sense since Bethesda indicated they would never make an online/mutliplayer version of their games. They provided backstory, lore, consultation.

ZoS is its own separate animal, doing what makes ZoS money. @KerinKor has it right. Bethesda was, and is, doing just fine. Why you think they would request B2P crown store nonsense is beyond me.

I suspect the folks at Bethesda can't sit still in their chairs when they hear about some of the new developments for their beloved franchise turned MMOney machine.

You do realize that Bethesda Softworks is the company that publishes this game, right? The same company that Todd Howard and everyone at Bethesda Game Studios works for. They are the marketing and advertising people. What does that mean? This is what I figure: They run the ESO Store. We buy ESO Plus from them. We buy Crowns from them. They are the ones who hand out game license keys and physical media to retail outlets. They are the ones who commission Prima guides for the game. They are the ones that commission XBox, PS4, and PC Crown and ESO Plus retail cards (where available). It is their Twitch channel that ZOS uses. Server status Tweets come from Bethesda. They are the first company to present their logo when you open the game.