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Is ZOS paying people to stream the game on twitch again?
Yolokin_Swagonborn
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If you follow the ESO community on twitch, you will know that 150 viewers is typical for an average day, perhaps 800-1000 for someone like sypher if its new content.
However, look at the first row of people here. Never seen these people in the ESO streaming community before except on big launch days. Makes me wonder....
Let's look a little further.
Oh that explains it!
In spite of all that, it is entertaining to watch these new people play the game and get constantly kicked out of the game with an error code. This is happening on stream after stream over and over again.
You can also tell the sponsored streams have no idea what they are doing but again, it takes till the second row till you get to people that have put the blood sweat and tears into the community and really know the game.
However, look at the first row of people here. Never seen these people in the ESO streaming community before except on big launch days. Makes me wonder....
Let's look a little further.
Oh that explains it!
In spite of all that, it is entertaining to watch these new people play the game and get constantly kicked out of the game with an error code. This is happening on stream after stream over and over again.
You can also tell the sponsored streams have no idea what they are doing but again, it takes till the second row till you get to people that have put the blood sweat and tears into the community and really know the game.
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Dominoid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe. But it's also a huge release in the gaming industry. Streamers want in. Even for a short time.3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not gonna lie it was funny watching sypher + krotha/ Kodi kill towliee and swiftor xDPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭Streamer, you know you are a streamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett3 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dear Azura a company potentially spending money to promote their game? Well I never heard of such a... oh wait...@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."14 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe. But it's also a huge release in the gaming industry. Streamers want in. Even for a short time.
League of legends streamers pull in 50k viewers on an off day. It would be much more profitable for most streamers to stream anything else. There might be a few people curious but there are clear reasons why ESO hasn't taken off on twitch and paying high profile streamers to stream the game isn't it.
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dear Azura a company potentially spending money to promote their game? Well I never heard of such a... oh wait...
Wait till you find a company that actually spends money FIXING their game and LISTENING to their existing streamers, instead of just blowing their entire budget on marketing. Then you can be un-sarcastically surprised.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on June 6, 2017 9:01PM19 -
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✭To be fair, your screenie shows Sypher and KodiPvP.. plus one guy whose name kinda sounds familiar, and one dude who obviously plays for SWTOR. The first two are NOT entirely unknown. One has an entire thread talking about him.Edited by Darlgon on June 6, 2017 9:02PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's usual business and marketing strategy to sponsor your products.PC/DC/NAserver
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I thought we were all mad two or three months ago because all they did was listen to streamers and that's why they nerfed sustain?Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Dear Azura a company potentially spending money to promote their game? Well I never heard of such a... oh wait...
Wait till you find a company that actually spends money FIXING their game and LISTENING to their existing streamers, instead of just blowing their entire budget on marketing. Then you can be un-sarcastically surprised.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭To be fair, your screenie shows Sypher and KodiPvP.. plus one guy whose name kinda sounds familiar, and one dude who obviously plays for SWTOR. The first two are NOT entirely unknown. One has an entire thread talking about him.
To be fair I actually specified that the entire TOP ROW of twitch streamers, (the ones with the most views) are not known community members. That was kind of the point. That's why i included the highlighted section. It's fun when you can predict peoples responses so you prep your post to pre-empt them.
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I thought we were all mad two or three months ago because all they did was listen to streamers and that's why they nerfed sustain?Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Dear Azura a company potentially spending money to promote their game? Well I never heard of such a... oh wait...
Wait till you find a company that actually spends money FIXING their game and LISTENING to their existing streamers, instead of just blowing their entire budget on marketing. Then you can be un-sarcastically surprised.
Too bad all those streamers that went to ZOS are STILL MUZZLED by the NDA and can't tell us what they actually suggested and how ZOS took their suggestions.
Over the years, the community has given TONS of feedback to ZOS only to wake up on patch note day and collectively scratch their heads thinking "Where did this come from? We never asked for THAT!?!?!? Why did you fix that ZOS it wasn't even broken?"
A bit unfair to not know what the streamers talked about with ZOS then blame them for ZOS's changes don't you think? Do you really think Deltia would have quit if they did exactly what he suggested? Lets be a bit more reasonable here, we all know how ZOS works at this point.
Sustain did need to get fixed. It was the way they did it that was terrible.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on June 6, 2017 9:12PM10 -
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✭Hmm not entirely sold on this Elder Souls Online game...
Maybe if Kaceytron played it I would be convinced.
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.4 -
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I'm not sure I want randoms to decide/provide "feedback" about anything in the game.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Too bad all those streamers that went to ZOS are STILL MUZZLED by the NDA and can't tell us what they actually suggested and how ZOS took their suggestions.
Doesn't matter. They don't have anything insightful to say anyway.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »A bit unfair to not know what the streamers talked about with ZOS then blame them for ZOS's changes don't you think?
Doltia... Reasonable... You're good!Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Do you really think Deltia would have quit if they did exactly what he suggested? Lets be a bit more reasonable here, we all know how ZOS works at this point.
Edited by F7sus4 on June 6, 2017 9:42PM0 -
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✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Hmm not entirely sold on this Elder Souls Online game...
Maybe if Kaceytron played it I would be convinced.
Just stalked her on Google images. Yeah I agree.Edited by brandonv516 on June 6, 2017 9:45PM3 -
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✭You lost your swag yolokin, you look like such a bitter player now.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭✭✭✭✭It is obvious that when a new major update comes out more would watch streams. No brainer and we just has a major release. Largest since the game launched.1 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You lost your swag yolokin, you look like such a bitter player now.
Never fear, I've been promised by Gamemaster Sinsiri that I will never lose all of my swag.
Too bad he's probably not even working with the company anymore since seeing a gamemaster is akin to seeing a unicorn these days.
But if I have to give up a bit of my swag to tell it like it is and get acccused of being bitter when I'm actively defending and supporting the REAL eso streamers that have given so much to our community then so be it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Twitch is just something rich kids do to make money they don't need playing games.
The people who really need the money can't afford the bandwidth or the equipment to stream, and they can offer 10 times more to the community making content (mods and addons) and are prohibited from soliciting donations like the Twitch crowd can due to stingy draconian EULA.
Screw Twitch.
Edited by Phinix1 on June 7, 2017 12:32AM9 -
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✭✭From the screen caps, Soda is the only one i can tell that is being sponsored, it is likely that Towelliee, Swiftor, and Bahjeera are being sponsored as well, they have been in the past. ProfessorBroman is not sponsored and has stated as much, Krayn i would guess not sponsored. Obviously Sypher and Kodi arent, MavShow used to play with Deltia and a few other streamers.
Any streamer that is being paid to stream the game must explicitly state as much in their stream, normally done through an image in the overlay. If they dont, they can get into a lot of legal trouble.Edited by ManwithBeard9 on June 7, 2017 12:34AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »From the screen caps, Soda is the only one i can tell that is being sponsored, it is likely that Towelliee, Swiftor, and Bahjeera are being sponsored as well, they have been in the past. ProfessorBroman is not sponsored and has stated as much, Krayn i would guess not sponsored. Obviously Sypher and Kodi arent, MavShow used to play with Deltia and a few other streamers.
Yeah the second row are mostly well known community members, mav included although i don't see her as much recently.0 -
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✭✭Maybe. But it's also a huge release in the gaming industry. Streamers want in. Even for a short time.
@Dominoid
"a huge release in the gaming industry"
uhhhhhhhhhhh
GTAV is a huge release in the gaming industry. Metal Gear Solid V is a huge release in the gaming indsutry. Mass Effect 2 is-
you get the idea. only ESO players (and some overly nostalgic elder scrolls players) care about ESO Morrowindskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭✭✭✭✭They should pair the payed streamers with knowlegable players because they have no clue and make the game look slow and boring
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✭Is this really a thread?
Well my opinion of the ESO community just fell a few points.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You better get used to it. Viral marketing is here to stay.
I think people have this idea in their heads somehow that acceptance is some philosophical high ground. Sorry to say it but in the real world of what WE make of it, acceptance is just another word for DEFEAT, and all the ways we convince ourselves to feel good about it...
...are all the things that make it possible.
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✭✭✭✭✭You better get used to it. Viral marketing is here to stay.
I think people have this idea in their heads somehow that acceptance is some philosophical high ground. Sorry to say it but in the real world of what WE make of it, acceptance is just another word for DEFEAT, and all the ways we convince ourselves to feel good about it...
...are all the things that make it possible.
You are on the right track with that mentality, here's another way to say it."When you grow up you tend to get told that the world is the way it is and your life is just to live your life inside the world. Try not to bash into the walls too much. Try to have a nice family life, have fun, save a little money. That's a very limited life. Life can be much broader once you discover one simple fact: Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you. And you can change it, you can influence it… Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again."
- Some guy in a TurtleneckEdited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on June 7, 2017 5:27AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »You better get used to it. Viral marketing is here to stay.
I think people have this idea in their heads somehow that acceptance is some philosophical high ground. Sorry to say it but in the real world of what WE make of it, acceptance is just another word for DEFEAT, and all the ways we convince ourselves to feel good about it...
...are all the things that make it possible.
You are on the right track with that mentality, here's another way to say it."When you grow up you tend to get told that the world is the way it is and your life is just to live your life inside the world. Try not to bash into the walls too much. Try to have a nice family life, have fun, save a little money. That's a very limited life. Life can be much broader once you discover one simple fact: Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you. And you can change it, you can influence it… Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again."
- Some guy in a Turtleneck
"But only if you have lots of money." - Some soulless flash peddler
Or put another way:
"It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail" - The Great and Wise Leader, Genghis Khan
As it was centuries ago for Genghis, the great GENIUS, so too it is with technological, potential-to-define-a-better-world, ultimate-example-of-failing-upwards-at-greed-for-the-sake-of-it-instead-because-it's-easier "modern" man.
"Giving up has never felt so GOOD! Everything will solve itself if you just BUY!" (Night-time TV advertisement)
Acquisition for the sake of it. For COMPARISON. For status. That primal Harambe in man...
On balance our aspirations tend to be about as inspirational as our excrement.
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