Really debating whether I going to keep supporting ESO with my sub

Drachenfier · June 2017

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

Mephisto939 · June 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

Everyone says that one unsub will not have an impact, but if the community as a whole cancelled for a month or two, that'd get their attention pretty quick. I dont blame you, a lot of bugs have gone unchecked and ZOS needs to see that its not all about cash flow, if they continue to keep ignoring feedback from community they will see a decline in profits. Im pissed about dungeon finder still not working on XBox since the homestead release 4 months ago...shame, shame shame...

Good point! I just cancelled. I liked the game, but dislike the direction ZOS is moving in. I just ran a dungeon and my tank kept dropping his block due to low stamina.To be honest, I was pretty much indifferent to Morrowind and the Warden (a class I don't even think the game needed) and no matter how much mental gymnastics people do, it's a frigging DLC..

Since they don't spell it out, to cancel on Xbox go to settings - account - manage your subscriptions and cancel the elder scrolls.

Mephisto939 · June 2017

Drachenfier wrote: »

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

No he sounds like someone who believes in principle. Whether someone is cheating you for $5 or $500, you are being cheated either way.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Mephisto939 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

No he sounds like someone who believes in principle. Whether someone is cheating you for $5 or $500, you are being cheated either way.

this is exactly how I feel thanks

idk · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

gothickaiserub17_ESO · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

Actually it's too late to change it now, not because of player opinion, It's because at this point if they did they would be screwing over far more of their player base who had no problem buying the expansion and subbing. Which is a lot more people than those complaining right now. (Also most of the MMO's people are saying ESO is better then change $15 mandatory to play and then still $60 for expansions. It's pretty standard.)

Drachenfier · June 2017

All this angst and bellyaching over 40 bucks blows my mind, and all this crying and bitching about a sub cost really blow

Mephisto939 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

No he sounds like someone who believes in principle. Whether someone is cheating you for $5 or $500, you are being cheated either way.

Not sure how he's being cheated, that still hasn't been clearly explained. The worth of Morrowind in itself is objective, as not everyone will have the same view. But Morrowind isn't required to play the game, so again I'm at a loss for how anyone's being cheated here.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Make refunds via Crowns, make the morrowind pack including all elements cost the amount of crowns refunded, all current purchasers lose nothing. It's not bricks and mortar, it's 1's and 0's, 1's and 0's are very easily moved. Your entire analogy is fallacious.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Drachenfier wrote: »

All this angst and bellyaching over 40 bucks blows my mind, and all this crying and bitching about a sub cost really blow

Mephisto939 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

No he sounds like someone who believes in principle. Whether someone is cheating you for $5 or $500, you are being cheated either way.

Not sure how he's being cheated, that still hasn't been clearly explained. The worth of Morrowind in itself is objective, as not everyone will have the same view. But Morrowind isn't required to play the game, so again I'm at a loss for how anyone's being cheated here.

DLCs aren't required to play the game, are you saying removing them from ESO+ and the crownstore wouldn't be cheating anyone?

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Why would it be suicide?
You can buy it with cash
You can buy it with the equivalent amount of crowns
Or you get it as long as you have an active subscription
Just like any other dlc I don't see why the screwed us plus members over except for a bit of cash an really pisses off their loyal customer who in many cases supported the game since it came out

idk · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Make refunds via Crowns, make the morrowind pack including all elements cost the amount of crowns refunded, all current purchasers lose nothing. It's not bricks and mortar, it's 1's and 0's, 1's and 0's are very easily moved. Your entire analogy is fallacious.

My analogy is very accurate.

Your suggestion is delusional at best. Read some of your replies to others here and it seems your fairly disingenuous since it seems more like baiting.

Tasear · June 2017

Did you know the parent company is launching two new games... hmm where did the money come from?

#Conspiracy

SanTii.92 · June 2017

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · June 2017

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

It doesn't matter how much it costs.

What matters is "is how much it costs value for money when balanced against the enjoyment derived from it"?

If it is then even $50 a month isn't too much; if it isn't then even $1 is $1 too many.

Personally I unsubbed after the 2nd round of Morrowind Closed Beta, and I haven't logged in since about 3 weeks ago.

I do not miss the MMORPG content one bit - there ARE other games out there that do that as well as, and some even better than, ESO. I miss some of my Guldies.

I returned to SWTOR a game that a few months ago learned the perils of ignoring the justifiable concerns and complaints of the playerbase, and because of that fallout had to replaced it Lead Producer - who immediately made a difference to player morale, and player trust in the game. The 3 month Roadmap has just been released and pretty much all sections of the playerbase found something within that roadmap to praise. Players who unsubbed months ago are now returning - simply because SWTOR has started to listen to - and actually hear - the concerns of the players.

I was happy enough, and pleasantly surprised enough by the roadmap that I was happy to turn a one-off 60 day Sub into a recurring 6 month Sub. Money that, prior to the Morrowinf Uber-Nerf used to go to ZoS, now goes to Bioware.

Oh, and the gameplay is a lot of fun as well, and the Story elements (pre KotFE/ET) are way better than ESO.

All The Best

Drachenfier · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

All this angst and bellyaching over 40 bucks blows my mind, and all this crying and bitching about a sub cost really blow

Mephisto939 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

lol

you sound like someone that's never had a real problem before.

No he sounds like someone who believes in principle. Whether someone is cheating you for $5 or $500, you are being cheated either way.

Not sure how he's being cheated, that still hasn't been clearly explained. The worth of Morrowind in itself is objective, as not everyone will have the same view. But Morrowind isn't required to play the game, so again I'm at a loss for how anyone's being cheated here.

DLCs aren't required to play the game, are you saying removing them from ESO+ and the crownstore wouldn't be cheating anyone?

You didn't have to pay for those if you were subbed, so that's a non-argument. Now, if you'd like to argue that Morrowind should have a been a DLC rather than an x-pac, that's entirely different. Feels like an xpac to me, with new zones, battlegrounds and a new class.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Make refunds via Crowns, make the morrowind pack including all elements cost the amount of crowns refunded, all current purchasers lose nothing. It's not bricks and mortar, it's 1's and 0's, 1's and 0's are very easily moved. Your entire analogy is fallacious.

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Make refunds via Crowns, make the morrowind pack including all elements cost the amount of crowns refunded, all current purchasers lose nothing. It's not bricks and mortar, it's 1's and 0's, 1's and 0's are very easily moved. Your entire analogy is fallacious.

My analogy is very accurate.

Your suggestion is delusional at best. Read some of your replies to others here and it seems your fairly disingenuous since it seems more like baiting.

If you believe me to be baiting, report any and all such posts. Your analogy equates moving a 365,000 ton structure, to moving Morrowind to the crownstore. The two undertakings are entirely dissimilar.

My suggestion is perfectly reasonable, it ensures that those who have paid real money can still get fair refunds, still get Morrowind with that money, and lose nothing. It also ensure that subscriptions and crowns don't become devalued as they currently are.

idk · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,

I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it

It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.

Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.

It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack

Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.

You really seem to be suggesting player feedback is pointless. If you believe that, why are you so invested in defending it?

You seem to be reading extremely wide into my comments.

@kunquatb16_ESO I will make this very simple for you. The expansion has launched and a great many players have chosen that they want to play the expansion and purchased if. THE SHIP SAILED.

At this point it would be suicide for Zos to change Morrowind to be included into ESO+ or sold for crowns.

So keep on complaining about it if you want but it's kinda like complaining about were the Empire State Building was built. It's happened and it ain't gonna be moved.

So yes, keep on complaining about it. I'm sure your message is very special.

And is you reply with the same silly comment that I'm saying Zos doesn't listen the. I'll know for certain it would be easier to move the Empire State Building than to help you understand such basic issues as this.

Why would it be suicide?
You can buy it with cash
You can buy it with the equivalent amount of crowns
Or you get it as long as you have an active subscription
Just like any other dlc I don't see why the screwed us plus members over except for a bit of cash an really pisses off their loyal customer who in many cases supported the game since it came out

The answer is obvious since some have already purchased it for cash. It would be such a stupid decision for Zos to now allow purchase because crowns They cannot even refund us in crowns since some purchase crowns on sale so basically they would get it half off immediately.

As I stated before. If you want to play it you WILL buy it with cash. It would be. It ain't happening any other way, at least not anytime soon.

But keep trying.

SanTii.92 · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

The point is morrowind is DLC and should be included if the sub as far as the crown store we paid money for crowns either by cash or through our subs all content should be able to be purchased by crowns I don't care if they charge the equivalent cost
If I have $50 bucks worth of crowns I should be able to buy morrowind or any other online product

jircris11 · June 2017

The more of these "eso+ should get it free" threads I see the more I notice how entitled some people feel. It's 30 or 60 to upgrade. And it offers more then any doc to date. So no it should not be free. We all ready get a plethora of perks for being a + member.

Drachenfier · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

The point is morrowind is DLC

Except it isn't

idk · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

That is the point that really gets me angry I supported the game to get dlc and now every major dlc is going to be called a chapter ect every time zmax want to improve it's cash flow we might get the odd dungeon ect but we will have to pay through the nose for every upgrade

mbradfo2_ESO · June 2017

Do we really need yet another thread on this?

If you feel that Morrowind should be DLC and included in your sub, you have a right to that opinion just as others have a right to disagree. You also have a right to vote with your sub. I am an ESO plus member and while it would be nice to see Morrowind available for crowns in the future, I don't feel slighted or upset. I appreciate that some people DO feel that way though. I think it would be fair to have Morrowind available for crowns at the same price point as the digital upgrade.

ZOS will listen to the feedback they get from players and from revenues in order to decide if this change to "DLC" (i.e. DLC becomes 'stories' or 'chapters') is worth it.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

Therefore, players opting out of subscribing, or buying crowns is important, as the effect could end up outweighing the profit margin from not including it on the crownstore, or ESO+.

The more that say the way they are doing it isn't good, and opt out in order to offset the costs, which Zos can see, the more likely they are to change how they do things.

Your point actively confirms the relevance of this thread.

Balamoor · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

Right and the physical collectors edition is sold out and the game is packed, this is a green light for ZoS to keep this model. What matters most to any developer are in game metrics, how many is buying and how many participates.

One guild could show up on the forums with some mock outrage request and it would appear as if a lot of people felt a certain way.

But the metrics would be skewed.....developers learned the hard way not to listen to forums.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

Therefore, players opting out of subscribing, or buying crowns is important, as the effect could end up outweighing the profit margin from not including it on the crownstore, or ESO+.

The more that say the way they are doing it isn't good, and opt out in order to offset the costs, which Zos can see, the more likely they are to change how they do things.

Your point actively confirms the relevance of this thread.

I am not saying that zmax should not sell morrwind for cash
What I am saying is it should be treated like all other dlc at this point
As a subscriber I should be able to access any new content as what they stated when eso + became available
Be able to buy any content using crowns witch was the case before morrwind

idk · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Could anyone explain me what exactly is a cash grab? Do you just mean pricing a product at the most profitable cost, i really don't understand. If it's so, well then, that's just what companies do, you know.

It's a cash grab plain and simple not allowing us to buy it with crowns and calling it a chapter so we will be forced to pay cash for the content witch we should have gotten with our sub

Why do you feel you should have gotten anything? Zos develops products and is entitle to commerce them any way they want. You paid for a service, the sub, and was rightufly delivered. I fail to see your point.

You can surely disagree with marketing tactics, but that's nothing but an opinion.

I made a thread making precisely that point, they do have that right.

The point is, is it a good decision long term, should they listen to players, who by buying crowns and subscriptions have help fund their development of Morrowind?

If the feedback is mostly negative regarding it's exclusion from ESO+ and the crownstore, should they reverse that decision? even though they have the right not too?

The revenue from the expansion will speak loudest. That is the most significant feedback Zos will receive on this change. It's always what a business uses as a key barometer for changes like this.

Therefore, players opting out of subscribing, or buying crowns is important, as the effect could end up outweighing the profit margin from not including it on the crownstore, or ESO+.

The more that say the way they are doing it isn't good, and opt out in order to offset the costs, which Zos can see, the more likely they are to change how they do things.

Your point actively confirms the relevance of this thread.

The purchase of crowns are. If very relevant, only to a small degree.

The measurements that will be most looked at will be the number of players who sub and those who have purchased most of the DLCs to see how many of those two groups purchase the expansion. A second group will also be heavily looked at and that's the PvP that do not sub or purchase expansions and other active players that make similar decisions.

In the end, if a high number of the first group and a decent number of the second group purchase the expansion within 30-90 days from today it would be considered a successful route to take. Of course the results could run counter to that presumption. But this is the voice that actually says this patch is good or not.

So, in the end, this thread has relevance ic and only if sales are a disappointment. Well, the thread is still relevant if sales are a success since it would demonstrate the forum treads do no accurately show the player base views on the subject.

In the end sales, if the lack of, is the loudest voice we have. Zos thinks so, my employer thinks so and your employer agrees. It's why we get a paycheck that permits us to pay for these silly things.