Mag warden or stam warden??

aaron_campion · June 2017

So morrowind releases tomorrow on console so i have a question for people who have already been playing the expansion. What would be a better character magkia warden or stamina warden??

Miruku · June 2017

Stamden!

Kiwi · June 2017

I tried all variations of both sides and in the end just gave up trying to make it something its clearly not ment to be and went with hybrid.
it seems to do pretty well for what it does

ive leveld it post 160 cleared all of the new zone and all of the ebonheart content since it was released EA and im pretty sure how it is now is as good as its going to get without patches

its not bad and it is fun to play but its not going to be replacing any pre existing classes for anything im quite sure of that

Epona222 · June 2017

I tried Magwarden and Stamwarden dps at low levels, Stamwarden seems far more viable so far. (In terms of dps at level 12 with appropriate crafted set gear for leveling, was getting a disappointing 5-6k dps on magwarden and 15k+ on stam) Have no idea how that may pan out to maxed builds with bis gear though, I haven't got there yet. But stamwarden seems better so far. Maybe magwarden has a place in a different role but I can't quite work out where it fits right now.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · June 2017

<- JOAT
Single target 1h/shield. - Stam build
Area farming ret staff. - Mag build

ArchMikem · June 2017

People say Stamina Warden, but that won't stop me from making my Snow Leopard Frost Mage, no sir.

Cheveyo · June 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

I tried Magwarden and Stamwarden dps at low levels, Stamwarden seems far more viable so far. (In terms of dps at level 12 with appropriate crafted set gear for leveling, was getting a disappointing 5-6k dps on magwarden and 15k+ on stam) Have no idea how that may pan out to maxed builds with bis gear though, I haven't got there yet. But stamwarden seems better so far.

You're not playing it right if the mag Warden is noticeably weaker.

I got my Stam Warden to 50 a few days ago, decided to try Mag since so many abilities don't have stam morphs. Currently the Mag Warden is lvl 20. I have not had any trouble with anything.

I can see having trouble if you rely on the Animal Companion abilities. The shalks are awful. The Cliff Diver is good for single targets. But if you're fighting more than one target, it loses its luster. Even in single target, force shock is better.(unless you're opening from a distance)

I open with Winter's Revenge(impaling shards morph). Then I hit my Destro staff ability. I've been going back and forth between Force Shock and Wall of Elements. Kill time doesn't seem noticeably different. Maybe with the morphs that'll change. I recently got Swarm, so I've been using that as well. Normally, weaker targets are dead by the time I land a fully charged staff attack, and sometimes I don't get to actually land the attack. Stronger targets really don't last a whole lot longer. (I cleared Badman's Hollow without issue.)

I'm wearing all crafted gear with whatever rings and amulet I can get hold of. 4 Seducer, 4 magus. Currently got 3 pieces of the bloodthorn set as accessories.

As far as I can tell, the only difference between Stam and Mag is that stam has higher single target burst potential, while mag seems like it would be much stronger against groups.

Nemesis7884 · June 2017

what kind of build/gear are the stam guys using?

SpearDusk · June 2017

Both can be decent if you have the right skills and abilities. I'm just used to being a stam dd so I went with stamina. It may lack my stamblade burst damage but the warden makes up for survivability

Nemesis7884 · June 2017

Kiwi wrote: »

I tried all variations of both sides and in the end just gave up trying to make it something its clearly not ment to be and went with hybrid.
it seems to do pretty well for what it does

ive leveld it post 160 cleared all of the new zone and all of the ebonheart content since it was released EA and im pretty sure how it is now is as good as its going to get without patches

its not bad and it is fun to play but its not going to be replacing any pre existing classes for anything im quite sure of that

what kind of hybrid build are you using? I'm always interested in viable hybrids...

The Uninvited · June 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

what kind of build/gear are the stam guys using?

At the moment I'm running 5 Briarheart + 5 Spriggan (dual wield / bow on back bar) + Velidreth. Tried out Automaton too, but this seemed to work better. Will try the classic Vicious Ophidian soon.

Epona222 · June 2017

Cheveyo wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I tried Magwarden and Stamwarden dps at low levels, Stamwarden seems far more viable so far. (In terms of dps at level 12 with appropriate crafted set gear for leveling, was getting a disappointing 5-6k dps on magwarden and 15k+ on stam) Have no idea how that may pan out to maxed builds with bis gear though, I haven't got there yet. But stamwarden seems better so far.

You're not playing it right if the mag Warden is noticeably weaker.

I got my Stam Warden to 50 a few days ago, decided to try Mag since so many abilities don't have stam morphs. Currently the Mag Warden is lvl 20. I have not had any trouble with anything.

I can see having trouble if you rely on the Animal Companion abilities. The shalks are awful. The Cliff Diver is good for single targets. But if you're fighting more than one target, it loses its luster. Even in single target, force shock is better.(unless you're opening from a distance)

I open with Winter's Revenge(impaling shards morph). Then I hit my Destro staff ability. I've been going back and forth between Force Shock and Wall of Elements. Kill time doesn't seem noticeably different. Maybe with the morphs that'll change. I recently got Swarm, so I've been using that as well. Normally, weaker targets are dead by the time I land a fully charged staff attack, and sometimes I don't get to actually land the attack. Stronger targets really don't last a whole lot longer. (I cleared Badman's Hollow without issue.)

I'm wearing all crafted gear with whatever rings and amulet I can get hold of. 4 Seducer, 4 magus. Currently got 3 pieces of the bloodthorn set as accessories.

As far as I can tell, the only difference between Stam and Mag is that stam has higher single target burst potential, while mag seems like it would be much stronger against groups.

Thanks for the tips, will try them out on my magwarden

I really want to like the class, and accept there may be something I am missing atm. Already using Seducer/Magnus, but the skill tips could prove useful. Thanks for making suggestions, much appreciated

Anhedonie · June 2017

Stamina has better dps than magicka warden. Difference is about 10k.

X3ina · June 2017

Health warden is not an option for you ?

Kiwi · June 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Kiwi wrote: »

I tried all variations of both sides and in the end just gave up trying to make it something its clearly not ment to be and went with hybrid.
it seems to do pretty well for what it does

ive leveld it post 160 cleared all of the new zone and all of the ebonheart content since it was released EA and im pretty sure how it is now is as good as its going to get without patches

its not bad and it is fun to play but its not going to be replacing any pre existing classes for anything im quite sure of that

what kind of hybrid build are you using? I'm always interested in viable hybrids...

bow and dual wield, lots of dots and pbaoe
i guess its viable, never runs out of either resource and doesnt die
i started out using the new hybrid sets that came with the island but it doesnt need any extra resource or regen ontop of what it does to itself so i got rid of it and now its wearing hundings and some other crit stuff.
peeps just gotta think outside the box, its means to an end when youve got a things to kill.

im looking forward to seeing what people come up with over the next couple of months

SilverWF · June 2017

3rd option: NO warden.