Warden Level 50 - Disapointed - Average at All

Peekachu99 · June 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

P2P (Pay to Pity)

Tryxus · June 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I think warden just sounds stamina to me, the tanky guard, it won't be top dps and won't do well in magicka I think.
It's the animal fun type of build imo if you luv solo.

Tanking with what absorbtion shield? Bone shield lol? They don't have the NB evasion passive either. Even Stam tanking is a bad idea.

Actually, MagDens make great tanks cuz with enough Ulti generation they can spam that Healing Ulti. Combine that with Shimmering Shield, Expansive Frost Cloak and the Green Balance heals and buffs... and you got a great support tank

starlizard70ub17_ESO · June 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Depends how you define good? How you have fun and how you play? Remember a warden is not a Templar nor a sorcerer, nor a dragon knight. It's quite obvious it's not a nightblade.

And yet, while playing the Morrowind quest lines, my Warden has done more breaking and entering, stealing, and straight up murdering then either of my NBs have managed to do.

I blame the dark elves, they're a bad influence.

Epona222 · June 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

So do we now want ZOS to buff warden up to top tier?

All classes should be able to be top tier in some way

That's true, Templar top healer. Dk top tank. Sorcerer top PVE dps. Nb top PVP dps. Warden top soloing? Lol

Warden top support maybe. Looking forward to seeing people in chat "LFM vMOL, 1 tank, 1 dps, 2 support" - er yeah I don't think so

JKorr · June 2017

Rackiera wrote: »

Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.

BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.

Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.

It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.

Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?

Soooo...all the rants about P2W, BEST CLASS EVAH LOCKED BEHIND A PAYWALL, Wardens are totally overpowered and will completely destroy the game, yaddah yaddah yaddah was totally unfounded and pointless?

Gosh. Who could have guessed. Yes. That was sarcastic.

Peekachu99 · June 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I think warden just sounds stamina to me, the tanky guard, it won't be top dps and won't do well in magicka I think.
It's the animal fun type of build imo if you luv solo.

Tanking with what absorbtion shield? Bone shield lol? They don't have the NB evasion passive either. Even Stam tanking is a bad idea.

Actually, MagDens make great tanks cuz with enough Ulti generation they can spam that Healing Ulti. Combine that with Shimmering Shield, Expansive Frost Cloak and the Green Balance heals and buffs... and you got a great support tank

Shimmering shield doesn't protect you from a boss cleave (physical) and it's magika based, so again we have a resource issue if we're talking about stamina wardens.

I played a warden tank extensively on PTS and it's just not that good.

P.S. The comment chain was referring to stam wardens. Magika aren't in a much better state and there's no reason to pick shimmering shield over annulment, which is just better in every way.

akl77 · June 2017

JKorr wrote: »

Rackiera wrote: »

Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.

BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.

Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.

It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.

Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?

Soooo...all the rants about P2W, BEST CLASS EVAH LOCKED BEHIND A PAYWALL, Wardens are totally overpowered and will completely destroy the game, yaddah yaddah yaddah was totally unfounded and pointless?

Gosh. Who could have guessed. Yes. That was sarcastic.

Didn't they already tested warden in pts I wonder.

Sylosi · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Muramasa89 wrote: »

I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.

That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.

I wouldn't quite say that, it depends on what you are doing in an MMO, for example engineer in PvP in GW2 is a bit of everything, and was meta most of the game.

Or in PvE a lot of support classes in games (captain in LOTRO for example) are largely a bit of everything with a couple of unique buffs that mean bringing that class (at least to raids/large scale PvP, etc) is an overall increase in DPS/survivability,etc for the group, so they could always give warden a couple of unique group buffs/debuffs that make it wanted at least for raids whilst retaining it's general jack-of-all-trades theme.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

MattT1988 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Muramasa89 wrote: »

I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.

That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.

With that logic you can only have 3 classes. 1 best at tanking, 1 at dps and one at healing.

That's essentially what the mete game is.

But every class needs to be viable in every role for "casual" endgame play. So just because templar, DK, and NB can't match sorc DPS, you can still comfortably complete vet trials with them (you just won't be setting any high scores). The key word there is "comfortably". When a class lags behind the others substantially in a role, it is unviable for endgame content because it makes the experience difficult for your whole team.

Well at the end of the day the overwhelming majority of people who play this game couldn't give two *** about the trials leaderboards. So I'm starting to think this class was aimed at the sort of people who pretty much stick to vet dungeons or questing, which I would think is the majority of people who play this game, which is absolutely fine. A class that can do everything and complete all the content, just not as good as the other classes.

You didn't read my post...

I said you still need to be viable for NON-leaderboard trial runs. Stuff like vMOL, even if you aren't going for leaderboard, is too difficult with a subpar DPS.

And A LOT of people do non-leaderboard vet trials (1/3 of the expansion was dedicated to these players).

Phatmattfu · June 2017

PS4 guy here impatiently waiting for the Warden.

I couldn't care less if it's under performing.

It''s about enjoying the theme of the class. I haven't really connected with any of the other classes in the game.

Personally, I enjoy rolling the gimped class combo's or race, because eventually they will be buffed up.

#2cents

Bouldercleave · June 2017

Rackiera wrote: »

Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.

BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.

Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.

It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.

Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?

It was kind of advertised as an all around "jack of all trades" class. Mine is still low level, but I see it already as being an average Joe which is good because it fits my play style well.

I figure I'm going to go Stamina based and use DW/ Bow to fit the persona of what I feel a Warden is. MY skills keep me from being elite - I can't blame the class for that.

s7732425ub17_ESO · June 2017

You can't have TOP DPS and provide the best group utility. That would be an example of IMBALANCE. And everyone always cries on the forums for balance!

Megabear · June 2017

I have a 50 Warden and I'm happy that my warden is a jack of all trades. I've always liked playing one.

Haxer · June 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Jack of all trades, master of none is the warden.

This. If you DPS you're just a gimped sorc. If you tank you are just a lesser DK. Healing is pretty good.

Their role is that they are more flexible than most. If I was a sorc I couldn't switch and have a full bar of class healing abilities on the back bar.

So, overall it's not everything I wanted it to be (a great singular coherent role) but it's alright. Flexibility has value in itself. More than a few dungeon boss fights as the DPS I've been able to save the day by swapping to healing and back in a flash. Can't do that as effectively with a sorc or NB.

Blackshark · June 2017

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/warden-healer-pve-trials-ready-morrowind/

In the above link is a great breakdown of Templar/Warden buffs, debuffs, and skills. Turns out, the Warden brings its own unique contribution to healing that the Templar cannot. If you want an optimal vTrial group, you're going to need to run Templar and Warden for your healers.

In regard to tanking, I still think DK is the strongest but I'm not the most knowledgeable tank out there so I could be wrong.

DPS-wise.... yeah. Warden will never be used in it's current state.

TL;DR Healer>Tank>>>>>>DPS. Warden will take a healing spot in vTrials but, as of today, that's it.

lagrue · June 2017

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I thought Warden would wtfown the *** out of the rest of the classes.

So whats on these forum is not always right !? Damn.

Seems like the forums are never right. Member when everyone was complaining that the destro ulti would be garbage? I member...

Muh Eye of the Storm is ruining the game - for like 10 months after they finally came out.

This forum complains about literally anything and everything - and it's always stuff that will apparently kill the game, lol...

idk · June 2017

Besides a Templar healer bringing PoL what other utility does the class bring as a healer?

Warden brings increased regen. Toughness buff adding 10% max health and maybe one more. Just those two are pretty big utilities to add to the group.

Kneighbors · June 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This is dreadful to hear especially since other classes were 'nerfed', I mean adjusted, to allow the Warden to shine. Even adjusted down, the Templar and Sorcerer are still powerful - says a lot.

Saying the other classes were adjusted to allow warden to shine is a massive assumption on your part - this is what people thought was happening. It hasn't happened. Warden is kind of mediocre. Sorry to spoil the illusion that nerfs were to promote some uber "P2W" class, but that hasn't happened, people will have to find something else to complain about.

Nah. I will easily believe they just miscalculated something. But you are a big ZoS supporter and you wouldn't believe that one for sure.

idk · June 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I think warden just sounds stamina to me, the tanky guard, it won't be top dps and won't do well in magicka I think.
It's the animal fun type of build imo if you luv solo.

Tanking with what absorbtion shield? Bone shield lol? They don't have the NB evasion passive either. Even Stam tanking is a bad idea.

Actually, MagDens make great tanks cuz with enough Ulti generation they can spam that Healing Ulti. Combine that with Shimmering Shield, Expansive Frost Cloak and the Green Balance heals and buffs... and you got a great support tank

Shimmering shield doesn't protect you from a boss cleave (physical) and it's magika based, so again we have a resource issue if we're talking about stamina wardens.

I played a warden tank extensively on PTS and it's just not that good.

P.S. The comment chain was referring to stam wardens. Magika aren't in a much better state and there's no reason to pick shimmering shield over annulment, which is just better in every way.

@Peekachu99

Shimmering shield works great but only in the situations the tank is receiving ranged magika damage. It's not intended to be equivalent to igneous shield and I don't yet know how it works against Rakkhat. Good ult gen in those situations. It would only be slotted in fights that it would be used such as Whisp Mothed in vAA. Kinda like the use of DK wings. Limited, by t useful in those limited times.

As for the magika cost, even a stam dk tank would have some means of magicka regen. Otherwise they have no utility since chains, igneous and such all cost magicka. For a stam dk tank magicka regen is even more important since they get stam and ult from using igneous.

Talrol · June 2017

I am maining a Warden healer, and I can tell you that in Vet dungeons it performs exceptionally well (my previous main was Templar.) The utilities for sustain are phenomenal, I can buff myself enough to take plenty of damage if needed, and when we're light on DPS I can pop in a couple of skills that can help out without losing healing ability.

I will admit that I have not run any trials yet but my guess would be that an ideal trial group would be 1 templar healer and 1 warden healer. While the templar has faster burst healing, the warden has better sustained healing, if you know the fights and know when to have that circle down it will pop its heal while you top off the ones that might have been tossed or are out of the circle for some reason.

In my opinion, each class can perform very well in certain roles, the warden while it is indeed more of a support class, is by no means a weaker class. It's all up to the person pushing the buttons on the other side of the screen.

Draqone · June 2017

Blackshark wrote: »

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/warden-healer-pve-trials-ready-morrowind/

@Blackshark
While I agree it's possible there will be 1 warden tank or healer in a trial, I don't recommend that CP distribution nor those skills.

Mojmir · June 2017

Warden is Boring

Megabear · June 2017

CSessions wrote: »

I am maining a Warden healer, and I can tell you that in Vet dungeons it performs exceptionally well (my previous main was Templar.) The utilities for sustain are phenomenal, I can buff myself enough to take plenty of damage if needed, and when we're light on DPS I can pop in a couple of skills that can help out without losing healing ability.

I will admit that I have not run any trials yet but my guess would be that an ideal trial group would be 1 templar healer and 1 warden healer. While the templar has faster burst healing, the warden has better sustained healing, if you know the fights and know when to have that circle down it will pop its heal while you top off the ones that might have been tossed or are out of the circle for some reason.

In my opinion, each class can perform very well in certain roles, the warden while it is indeed more of a support class, is by no means a weaker class. It's all up to the person pushing the buttons on the other side of the screen.

I agree. I'm a stamina Warden and I'm surprised at just how well I can heal even in Vets, granted I haven't run any difficult Vet dungeon yet

I have a mag Templar too and I seem to have an easier time healing as Warden.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2017

Rackiera wrote: »

Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.

BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.

Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.

It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.

Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?

Because the game was developed around Cheesy mechanics of DPS , buffs or player based skill for other then dpsing and healing occasionaly. Utility cc and tanking were an after thought in this game. so making a class that is heavy utility did nothing but take up a DPS slot in a 4 man group or 12 man. and PVP well i dont know enough to even comment there.

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

Animal companion skill line. Only one summonable pet that can fight.

Green Balance: Actually pretty damned good at healing (ult) and the vines are interesting.

Winter's Embrace: tanking skill line but disappointed there is no Frost based spammable as part of the warden, meaning you're gonna have to use an ice staff if you want to be competitive with Ice (and it isnt). Also, why the hell is the heal here not in green balance.

Coggage · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Coggage wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Muramasa89 wrote: »

I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.

That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.

Not if you never join groups, like me. A bit of everything works quite nicely then, for me, anyway.

It's fine for solo play, but for endgame group content, you need to excel at a particular role.

Endgame - in any mmorpg - bores me. It's merely a hamster wheel that game companies put in the game to entertain people who like that stuff. I'm not one of them.

TequilaFire · June 2017

So yo all judge on one guys post who doesn't even reveal his build and rotation.
Just wait till you see a Warden spec'd out by a good theory crafter who knows how to play a good rotation.

greylox · June 2017

I'm really impressed with my stam warden so far, just levelling my mag one now (DD)and if anything it seems a little underwhelming but only lvl38.

Vahrokh · June 2017

I have yet to see a MMORPG where hybrid classes are competitive with pure classes.
If they were, nobody would need / want to restrict his gameplay to one role any more and pure classes would die.

The other side of the medal is, if you aren't competitive with pure classes, you can always be replaced by somebody with a pure class outdoing yours is the selected role.

I have been in this crapstorm when I rolled a feral druid in WoW. The pains at convincing Blizzard to make them competitive made me never play an hybrid back again.

Inarre · June 2017

Warden is amazing for solo content and has some excellent utility. I think despite zos wanting every class to have equal opportunity to every role there will always be some that excel in certain areas more than others. That said i still think that there is a lot of potential for the warden and probably they will buff some things and nerf others before the class is "done"