ayleid well health bonus hasnt been mentioned yet? you might not get 100% uptime of that in trials and dungeons but theoretically it gives an extra boost?

gethemshauna wrote: »

Better ult generation - higher uptime of Major Force. Higher uptime of Major force - faster and more safe execute phase. What's wrong then with dual decisive build, using Invigorating Drain in additional?

Dude just let it go . No one possibly can be this uninformed . Obviously a troll . Don't bother .

Medakon wrote: »

70k-80k? Dude.. Im like 90-100k buffed..

are you in cyrodiil?

92% dr with 35k hp is far better than 76% dr with 70k.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=15975

Here you go . If you gonna do a shield spamming build , do it right . This is the most health you can get unless you drop tri-stat food for green Max Health food .

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=15952

And this is my Morrowind build you saw the video of in this thread before . This build gives 9.8k shields while the other one gives 16.2k . That's a bit more than 6k . If you think giving 6k more shield is a gamechanger and you really need it , go for that one . But know that your team will be losing DPS .

Thank you for sharing your build.

Do you know how enchantments work while dual wielding?

@Gilliamtherogue , I could use your help with that question too.

Also, @Liofa , you mentioned that a team mate might be using dragon, but you may prefer it if you are going the dual wield option.

If you use 3 dragon jewels, then you can back bar 2 dragon swords and front bar 2 piece endurance for some extra HP.

Sorry for so many questions, but there didn't seem to much to chain in Halls. Do you have it for just a speed buff, or something else?

Imperial Night blades can easily get 100k health 5 Ebon 4 orgnum scales plus 2 endurance plus a random health monster helm, all health enchants use entropy plus load your bar with siphon skills

Artemiisia wrote: »

plague doctor + war poet

War Poet is trash. You get Minor Toughness from War Horn. And War Horn resource buff should be up 100% of the time in a good group.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Feanor how does LA or HA increase the decisive proc chance?

Although LA or HA can give a player the ultimate generation buff, shouldn't a tank already have that buff from blocking an attack?

AFAIK every LA/HA and every skill generates ultimate. Decisive has a 30% chance to generate one additional ultimate if you did get ultimate. So it's not about raising the proc chance but having more chances for it to proc.

I have Weakening+Absorb Stamina enchants on back bar and yes I light weave to proc them but main reason is to keep the ultigen buff from light attack going , even though I do lots of roll dodges . Just to be sure .

Enchants are working differently . Buffing/Debuffing enchants (like Weakening) have 10 seconds of cooldown . Damaging enchants (like Absorb Stamina) has 4-5 seconds of cooldown . They have their own cooldown times so they work without interfering each other .

Our off-tank is using Dragon+Tava+BS . Reason we decided he use is he is holding adds and procs Tava's more often in some fights , he has higher ultigen than I do . Dragon is better choice for off-tank and someone needs to wear Ebon and that is me in this case .

I use Dual Wield on every boss (except first because I interrupt with destro on back bar) and trash fight in new trial . I use Invigorating Drain on every boss and trash fight too . As I mentioned on my build video , I was using 1h/s until I got used to fights as well . After being comfortable with them , I switched to Dual Wield .

About Decisive and light attacks . Light attacking , heavy attacking , blocking and roll dodging gives you the same ultimate buff . It is not a named buff , it is not Major Heroism or Minor Heroism . It is not named . Just a game mechanic that you can get with only those 4 things . This mechanic gives you this buff for 9 seconds . It will restore 3 Ultimate per second for 9 seconds . Just empty your ultimate and light attack something . Your Ultimate will go to 27 (9*3) and stop . Dual Wielding Decisive swords on back bar gives me 37% chance to get 1 more ultimate on every ultimate gain . Decisive procs on Blood Spawn , Invigorating Drain , Major Heroism , Minor Heroism , this game mechanic we just talked about etc. basically everything . For example , in theory , if I light attack something once while having 0 Ultimate , with dual decisive swords equipped , I will get 1 more ultimate on every 3rd tick of the ultigen mechanic . That means I will get 3 more Ultimate . So , instead of stopping at 27 , I will stop at 30 . This is just on the ultigen mechanic . I would like to remind you that decisive procs on every single ultimate gain . In that vHoF HM clear video for example , I have Minor Heroism ticking , ultigen mechanic ticking , invigorating drain ticking , blood spawn proccing occasionally and tava's with every roll dodge . Decisive procs way more than you think because I have so many ultimate regen from different resources . And this is how it works .

Hope this helps .

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This part is for other geniouses out there who thinks thread is about getting the Max HP possible . It is not . No one here cares about your non-DK tanking . What we are talking here is about protecting team with Igneous Shield which scales with Max Health . That's why everyone is trying to get as high health as possible , on their DK tanks .

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Feanor how does LA or HA increase the decisive proc chance?

Although LA or HA can give a player the ultimate generation buff, shouldn't a tank already have that buff from blocking an attack?

AFAIK every LA/HA and every skill generates ultimate. Decisive has a 30% chance to generate one additional ultimate if you did get ultimate. So it's not about raising the proc chance but having more chances for it to proc.

Skills don't generate ultimate unless they give you the Minor Heroism or the Major Heroism buff. LA/HA/Block/Dodge all kick in the standard ultimate generation which is 3 ultimate per second for 9 seconds.

Blocking is the same Ult as LA? This I did not know, thanks for that.

Liofa wrote: »

I have Weakening+Absorb Stamina enchants on back bar and yes I light weave to proc them but main reason is to keep the ultigen buff from light attack going , even though I do lots of roll dodges . Just to be sure .

Enchants are working differently . Buffing/Debuffing enchants (like Weakening) have 10 seconds of cooldown . Damaging enchants (like Absorb Stamina) has 4-5 seconds of cooldown . They have their own cooldown times so they work without interfering each other .

Our off-tank is using Dragon+Tava+BS . Reason we decided he use is he is holding adds and procs Tava's more often in some fights , he has higher ultigen than I do . Dragon is better choice for off-tank and someone needs to wear Ebon and that is me in this case .

I use Dual Wield on every boss (except first because I interrupt with destro on back bar) and trash fight in new trial . I use Invigorating Drain on every boss and trash fight too . As I mentioned on my build video , I was using 1h/s until I got used to fights as well . After being comfortable with them , I switched to Dual Wield .

About Decisive and light attacks . Light attacking , heavy attacking , blocking and roll dodging gives you the same ultimate buff . It is not a named buff , it is not Major Heroism or Minor Heroism . It is not named . Just a game mechanic that you can get with only those 4 things . This mechanic gives you this buff for 9 seconds . It will restore 3 Ultimate per second for 9 seconds . Just empty your ultimate and light attack something . Your Ultimate will go to 27 (9*3) and stop . Dual Wielding Decisive swords on back bar gives me 37% chance to get 1 more ultimate on every ultimate gain . Decisive procs on Blood Spawn , Invigorating Drain , Major Heroism , Minor Heroism , this game mechanic we just talked about etc. basically everything . For example , in theory , if I light attack something once while having 0 Ultimate , with dual decisive swords equipped , I will get 1 more ultimate on every 3rd tick of the ultigen mechanic . That means I will get 3 more Ultimate . So , instead of stopping at 27 , I will stop at 30 . This is just on the ultigen mechanic . I would like to remind you that decisive procs on every single ultimate gain . In that vHoF HM clear video for example , I have Minor Heroism ticking , ultigen mechanic ticking , invigorating drain ticking , blood spawn proccing occasionally and tava's with every roll dodge . Decisive procs way more than you think because I have so many ultimate regen from different resources . And this is how it works .

Hope this helps .

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This part is for other geniouses out there who thinks thread is about getting the Max HP possible . It is not . No one here cares about your non-DK tanking . What we are talking here is about protecting team with Igneous Shield which scales with Max Health . That's why everyone is trying to get as high health as possible , on their DK tanks .

Thank you a lot @Liofa for answering the questions I had.

The only thought that I might add is that it is good to keep using an earthen heart ability for that mountains blessing ult gen buff. I think that Slash, Igneous, swap into Drain optimized the timing for those buffs. When having to use another ability, it can be used during bar swap for getting extra value by animation canceling.

You can get a little more ultimate by using Ravaging potions which will have a dot to trigger blood spawn. The dot can also be purified so ravaging potions can be useful for someone that wants to proc Alkosh, but can't find a synergy to use.

Finally, and this is also on the topic of having a high health pool, having a high health pool will make it safer to trigger the last stand passive. A combination of high health, ravaging potion use, balance use, and just paying attention to the HP bar can allow one to get that extra bit of ultimate via last stand Major Heroism. Of course, somewhere else on the forum, people are saying that minor heroism overwrites major heroism in an unintended way right now - that would make last stand optimization not so important as there may be cases when heroic slash

Oompuh wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Feanor how does LA or HA increase the decisive proc chance?

Although LA or HA can give a player the ultimate generation buff, shouldn't a tank already have that buff from blocking an attack?

AFAIK every LA/HA and every skill generates ultimate. Decisive has a 30% chance to generate one additional ultimate if you did get ultimate. So it's not about raising the proc chance but having more chances for it to proc.

Skills don't generate ultimate unless they give you the Minor Heroism or the Major Heroism buff. LA/HA/Block/Dodge all kick in the standard ultimate generation which is 3 ultimate per second for 9 seconds.

Blocking is the same Ult as LA? This I did not know, thanks for that.

yes, technically tanks dont have to use la or ha