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A discussion about Re-sale
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clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭Absolutely nothing wrong with it. You'll always get those people linking their MM's in zone chat to try and look like the smart guy. Ignore them and keep making that sweet dolla $$$
Except he can't. If someone calls out his lowballing in the zone chat by using MM nobody will sell to him. Not that I care about this, but flippers don't contribute anything positive to the economy, that's why he gets alot of hate.Edited by clocksstoppe on June 1, 2017 5:11PM5 -
Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »@Almar they are just jealous that they are not smart enough to play the market. Playing the market is a component of this game. Just ignore them.
I have ran into a couple of people like that myself, they are unworthy of our attention.
A guild leader in one of my guilds even threatened to kick me out over not paying MM for everything!
Wait, I may not fully understand your situation here. Can you tell me what exactly you are doing? Can you give me a detailed example of what you are doing?
I go into zones, i advertize that im buying reagents in bulk at 60% of MM value. I am met with Insults, threats, profanity, and claims that im a scammer etc . .
LOL.
1) You are spamming the chat with your monkey business. Imagine tomorrow everyone will start spamming this kind of messages over global chat. We will have to simply mute it. But you do feel special huh?
2) You are the buyer here and seller in your drug store. Imagine tomorrow a guy coming and starting to ask if you can sell him for 60% some of your store items. This is you, this is what you are doing. You are trying to buy for less then normal price. You are disappointing people who understand that and you get proper feedback for that.6 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »White Knights feel like you are taking advantage of uninformed players. Even new players know when someone is offering to buy bulk, that they are reselling or making gold off the items via crafting. It isn't rocket science. But these people think so highly of themselves and so little of other people that they feel the need to tell everyone the obvious.
I am not so sure that it is obvious, at least on consoles. The price people pay for something will be drastically different, depending on the zone they buy it in. I sell the exact same thing in Mournhold at 5 times the price, at least, than I do in my guilds with a trader in another location.
It's very possible that players can get fooled into thinking they are getting a decent price.
1. The player doesn't really shop at traders, so they aren't aware of any pricing
2. The player doesn't look at the prices in the main hubs, so they only see the remote trader pricing
3. The player is not in a guild for whatever reason, so they see no guild chat about pricing
I'm not going to weigh in on the value of people calling out bad pricing, but I think it's a stretch to say that everyone knows what "the price" is.
There may not be a better indicator in the English language that the speaker will be wrong when you hear: "Everybody knows that..."
So under your logic all items MUST be bought at the going rate and profit is not allowed?
When you go to a guild trader you only buy items in white right? Because if you buy anything that is listed in MM Blue or green that means you’re scamming someone out of the REAL value.
Hmmmm.
Number 1: What is this blue and white? I specified console.
Number 2: What logic? I took issue with the poster I quoted thinking that the pricing is obvious to players. It is possible that players are ignorant of "the going price," especially on consoles.
I even specifically mentioned I wouldn't comment on the value of people speaking up against the buyer. I didn't comment at all on the people who are buying "on the cheap." That includes you.
More reading, less outrage.
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TheStealthDude✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »TheStealthDude wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Miss_Morphine wrote: »This guy is actively seeking out new players in low level zones and offering 50% of the real price, less in some cases.
He is bad and should feel bad.
Not because he's reselling for profit, but because he is tricking new people.
It's not like when he buys in bulk from suppliers the suppliers don't know how the world works.
That's exactly why other games have a public centralized server wide AH, so people don't get scammed.
A centralized AH also allows one person to corner an entire market with ease, driving up prices.
You do know TTC does the exact same thing, it just takes a bit more time to go pick those items up?
Time makes all the difference. In a central AH, a single person can sit there refreshing the market constantly, flipping items as soon as they come on the market, almost instantaneously.
In our system in ESO, having to check/use TTC, having to go to each of the dozens of traders around Tamriel, and then listing all the items in your various trade guilds (even more so if you need multiple accounts) all take time. This is time that others can buy and sell where a monopolistic buyer can't. Not to mention that TTC requires a scan from a player, which isn't always done when someone lists an item.
For all but the slowest moving markets (the extremely rare items), this time and effort makes it prohibitive for a single user to corner a market. Sure, it could be done by a group, but that's far more expensive (with regards to time spent) than for a single player in an AH system to do the same.
So, while TTC may allow this to happen in the rare-item markets, perhaps, it is much harder to pull off in the faster moving goods markets.
A combination of time and exclusiveness (though this can be worked around at the cost of time & RL money investment) keep are markets at better prices and more competitive than an AH would.4 -
Almar✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »White Knights feel like you are taking advantage of uninformed players. Even new players know when someone is offering to buy bulk, that they are reselling or making gold off the items via crafting. It isn't rocket science. But these people think so highly of themselves and so little of other people that they feel the need to tell everyone the obvious.
I am not so sure that it is obvious, at least on consoles. The price people pay for something will be drastically different, depending on the zone they buy it in. I sell the exact same thing in Mournhold at 5 times the price, at least, than I do in my guilds with a trader in another location.
It's very possible that players can get fooled into thinking they are getting a decent price.
1. The player doesn't really shop at traders, so they aren't aware of any pricing
2. The player doesn't look at the prices in the main hubs, so they only see the remote trader pricing
3. The player is not in a guild for whatever reason, so they see no guild chat about pricing
I'm not going to weigh in on the value of people calling out bad pricing, but I think it's a stretch to say that everyone knows what "the price" is.
There may not be a better indicator in the English language that the speaker will be wrong when you hear: "Everybody knows that..."
So under your logic all items MUST be bought at the going rate and profit is not allowed?
When you go to a guild trader you only buy items in white right? Because if you buy anything that is listed in MM Blue or green that means you’re scamming someone out of the REAL value.
Hmmmm.
Number 1: What is this blue and white? I specified console.
Number 2: What logic? I took issue with the poster I quoted thinking that the pricing is obvious to players. It is possible that players are ignorant of "the going price," especially on consoles.
I even specifically mentioned I wouldn't comment on the value of people speaking up against the buyer. I didn't comment at all on the people who are buying "on the cheap." That includes you.
More reading, less outrage.
Guess i misunderstood you? and you are totally supporting my position?0 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »White Knights feel like you are taking advantage of uninformed players. Even new players know when someone is offering to buy bulk, that they are reselling or making gold off the items via crafting. It isn't rocket science. But these people think so highly of themselves and so little of other people that they feel the need to tell everyone the obvious.
I am not so sure that it is obvious, at least on consoles. The price people pay for something will be drastically different, depending on the zone they buy it in. I sell the exact same thing in Mournhold at 5 times the price, at least, than I do in my guilds with a trader in another location.
It's very possible that players can get fooled into thinking they are getting a decent price.
1. The player doesn't really shop at traders, so they aren't aware of any pricing
2. The player doesn't look at the prices in the main hubs, so they only see the remote trader pricing
3. The player is not in a guild for whatever reason, so they see no guild chat about pricing
I'm not going to weigh in on the value of people calling out bad pricing, but I think it's a stretch to say that everyone knows what "the price" is.
There may not be a better indicator in the English language that the speaker will be wrong when you hear: "Everybody knows that..."
So under your logic all items MUST be bought at the going rate and profit is not allowed?
When you go to a guild trader you only buy items in white right? Because if you buy anything that is listed in MM Blue or green that means you’re scamming someone out of the REAL value.
I don't think he said that at all. Add ons don't exist on console.
Unless a newer person price checks in some trade guilds, how do they know? 3,000 gold for a Tempering Alloy sounds pretty good to a new player, right?
I've noticed this more in starter zones for sure. Kind of predatory, but anyway.
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It is my zone ads saying I'm buying them at 60% that causes all the outrage.
40% profit margin is ambitious, but not flame worthy. Some people feel the need for socialism and believe that you should pay MM for the items (which differs for everyone because it only uses the guilds that you are in) and sell for ZERO profit. Your time, effort, risk, and investment mean nothing to them.
I deal with people like that every day IRL.
Edited by Bouldercleave on June 1, 2017 8:21PM1 -
Amadis001✭✭✭✭I am not offering one thing then giving another, im up front about my prices therefore there is NO scam.
That's the same argument made by payday lenders and other bottom feeders who take advantage of the vulnerable and uneducated. "It's perfectly legal, so I'm doing nothing wrong".If you read the previous replies in this thread you will see that 90% of the people here agree with me.
And 90% of the people in chat agree with me. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted here to complain in the first place about the negative feedback you're getting. I'm not saying that I personally care that you do this. I'm just answering your question and explaining what I think the reason is that you're getting clobbered in chat for your behavior.// Amadis of Gaul -- DK Nord (Lvl 50 CP 1000)4 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The people who get triggered by this behaviour are the same people who can't even afford a small house because they don't know how to make money.
Flipping is part of the game. Mind your own business.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 1, 2017 9:48PM2 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »White Knights feel like you are taking advantage of uninformed players. Even new players know when someone is offering to buy bulk, that they are reselling or making gold off the items via crafting. It isn't rocket science. But these people think so highly of themselves and so little of other people that they feel the need to tell everyone the obvious.
I am not so sure that it is obvious, at least on consoles. The price people pay for something will be drastically different, depending on the zone they buy it in. I sell the exact same thing in Mournhold at 5 times the price, at least, than I do in my guilds with a trader in another location.
It's very possible that players can get fooled into thinking they are getting a decent price.
1. The player doesn't really shop at traders, so they aren't aware of any pricing
2. The player doesn't look at the prices in the main hubs, so they only see the remote trader pricing
3. The player is not in a guild for whatever reason, so they see no guild chat about pricing
I'm not going to weigh in on the value of people calling out bad pricing, but I think it's a stretch to say that everyone knows what "the price" is.
There may not be a better indicator in the English language that the speaker will be wrong when you hear: "Everybody knows that..."
So under your logic all items MUST be bought at the going rate and profit is not allowed?
When you go to a guild trader you only buy items in white right? Because if you buy anything that is listed in MM Blue or green that means you’re scamming someone out of the REAL value.
Hmmmm.
Number 1: What is this blue and white? I specified console.
Number 2: What logic? I took issue with the poster I quoted thinking that the pricing is obvious to players. It is possible that players are ignorant of "the going price," especially on consoles.
I even specifically mentioned I wouldn't comment on the value of people speaking up against the buyer. I didn't comment at all on the people who are buying "on the cheap." That includes you.
More reading, less outrage.
Guess i misunderstood you? and you are totally supporting my position?
I am not supporting or condemning what you are doing, especially since you are on PC and players have some market tools available via add-on.
I will say you seem awfully eager to get validation.4 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm sure it's not unique to ESO, but every single time I see in zone chat where someone states a buying price lower than MM or selling price higher than MM, people start busting a nut.
Add-ons with price fixing functionality should not be allowed IMO. Items are only worth what someone is willing to pay, end of story.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure it's not unique to ESO, but every single time I see in zone chat where someone states a buying price lower than MM or selling price higher than MM, people start busting a nut.
Add-ons with price fixing functionality should not be allowed IMO. Items are only worth what someone is willing to pay, end of story.
Add-ons are fine. They're tools. People just need to mind their own business.
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✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »You should have been a vampire a while back when the market for bites were in demand.
I was called very bad names for selling my vampire bites
Separate issue.
There was/is a problem of people creating an artificial market by going around killing the spawns on purpose. Not saying it was you, but it's a frustrating experience that other people may be reacting to when you advertise bites for sale.MaximusDargus wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »I never claimed to have MM prices BUT I CAN claim the ability to buy large quantities and millions of gold worth of products immediately. Some people don’t want to sit and wait for days on end for trader sales
. They want their money NOW!
The problem is the trade system. For most, it's hard to make much. Undercutting makes people feel they'll make less, even though it help keep the market healthy.
They need to open up trading more, without making it a centralized system.
Undercutting is a plague in some cases. I've seen certain items in a guild go for 30% less than the going rate from every other guild in Mournhold and elsewhere.
People can't wait the extra day to sell? List for 50 gold cheaper...the next guy does the same thing and so on and so on.
Yes, undercutting is plague just like people who sell things under production cost because they use this ridiculous way of thinking "i farmed it myself so its free". They will disregard how long it takes to farm something, they dont even realise how much gold they can earn in alternative way during that time and there we see things like, item costs 20k worth of materials to craft -> someone sells it for 5k because "I FaRmEd MaTeRiAlS MySeLf, ThEy ArE FrEe"
I get the opposite. I try to sell a crafted item(furniture usually) for the price of the mats and I got badgered that since it's *possible* to get the mats for "free" I should sell it for a pittance. Some people are unscrupulous.Miss_Morphine wrote: »This guy is actively seeking out new players in low level zones and offering 50% of the real price, less in some cases.
He is bad and should feel bad.
Not because he's reselling for profit, but because he is tricking new people.
It's not like when he buys in bulk from suppliers the suppliers don't know how the world works.
How can you say that he's tricking folks if he tells them he's paying 60%? I wouldn't sell to him, but I belong to a guild with a trader. If he tells them what he's doing, they have the information they need to make a choice--sell to him for immediate cash and bag space, announce in zone that they want to sell whatever it is for a higher price, compare his price to the vendor price, do some research on how trade works in ESO, or decide to hold onto their items for now.
He's not telling them it's 60%. He's putting up a buying price that is roughly 60%.
He is free to advertise to buy at what ever price he wants. And other people are free to link the actual going rate. Calling names is not necessary. I sell my bulk mats for under the mm price but not to the first zone spammer. There is always someone who comes along and outbids them eventually.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Almar✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »White Knights feel like you are taking advantage of uninformed players. Even new players know when someone is offering to buy bulk, that they are reselling or making gold off the items via crafting. It isn't rocket science. But these people think so highly of themselves and so little of other people that they feel the need to tell everyone the obvious.
I am not so sure that it is obvious, at least on consoles. The price people pay for something will be drastically different, depending on the zone they buy it in. I sell the exact same thing in Mournhold at 5 times the price, at least, than I do in my guilds with a trader in another location.
It's very possible that players can get fooled into thinking they are getting a decent price.
1. The player doesn't really shop at traders, so they aren't aware of any pricing
2. The player doesn't look at the prices in the main hubs, so they only see the remote trader pricing
3. The player is not in a guild for whatever reason, so they see no guild chat about pricing
I'm not going to weigh in on the value of people calling out bad pricing, but I think it's a stretch to say that everyone knows what "the price" is.
There may not be a better indicator in the English language that the speaker will be wrong when you hear: "Everybody knows that..."
So under your logic all items MUST be bought at the going rate and profit is not allowed?
When you go to a guild trader you only buy items in white right? Because if you buy anything that is listed in MM Blue or green that means you’re scamming someone out of the REAL value.
Hmmmm.
Number 1: What is this blue and white? I specified console.
Number 2: What logic? I took issue with the poster I quoted thinking that the pricing is obvious to players. It is possible that players are ignorant of "the going price," especially on consoles.
I even specifically mentioned I wouldn't comment on the value of people speaking up against the buyer. I didn't comment at all on the people who are buying "on the cheap." That includes you.
More reading, less outrage.
Guess i misunderstood you? and you are totally supporting my position?
I am not supporting or condemning what you are doing, especially since you are on PC and players have some market tools available via add-on.
I will say you seem awfully eager to get validation.
Im Simply trying to understand why people find it so offensive that they stalk me and harass me over it. As well as the lesser annoyance of calling me a scammer and a cheat etc . . .0 -
Almar✭✭I am not offering one thing then giving another, im up front about my prices therefore there is NO scam.
That's the same argument made by payday lenders and other bottom feeders who take advantage of the vulnerable and uneducated. "It's perfectly legal, so I'm doing nothing wrong".If you read the previous replies in this thread you will see that 90% of the people here agree with me.
And 90% of the people in chat agree with me. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted here to complain in the first place about the negative feedback you're getting. I'm not saying that I personally care that you do this. I'm just answering your question and explaining what I think the reason is that you're getting clobbered in chat for your behavior.
So every wealthy business owner in the world that buys their stock at 60% or less is bottom feeder?0 -
SFDB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am not offering one thing then giving another, im up front about my prices therefore there is NO scam.
That's the same argument made by payday lenders and other bottom feeders who take advantage of the vulnerable and uneducated. "It's perfectly legal, so I'm doing nothing wrong".If you read the previous replies in this thread you will see that 90% of the people here agree with me.
And 90% of the people in chat agree with me. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted here to complain in the first place about the negative feedback you're getting. I'm not saying that I personally care that you do this. I'm just answering your question and explaining what I think the reason is that you're getting clobbered in chat for your behavior.
So every wealthy business owner in the world that buys their stock at 60% or less is bottom feeder?
For the record, I'm indifferent to this whole affair, you have the right to conduct business as you see fit, and people who disapprove have the right to voice their disapproval. But you keep bringing up this example that makes no sense. Wal-Mart doesn't post ads in the paper looking for people who hit a deer with their car, found a case of Coca-Cola inside of it, and are buying it from them for $3 to sell for $5 in their store. They buy from a distributor who knows precisely what their product is worth.
The issue people have with your practice isn't that you profit, it's that you profit by (as they see it) taking advantage of the ignorance of others. A closer example to what you're doing would be Cash4Gold, which also asks people to send them valuable items and is accused of paying less than the items are worth, and a company that also receives negative responses to their business practices.
Again, you can do this for all I care, but I thought we should be more apples to apples here.5 -
LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭People treat MM like it's the law of the land. Sure MM might say (whatever) amount of gold, but that doesn't mean you can't try to buy/sell for less/more. It's ridiculous.PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »Absolutely nothing wrong with it. You'll always get those people linking their MM's in zone chat to try and look like the smart guy. Ignore them and keep making that sweet dolla $$$
Except he can't. If someone calls out his lowballing in the zone chat by using MM nobody will sell to him. Not that I care about this, but flippers don't contribute anything positive to the economy, that's why he gets alot of hate.
OP is openly saying "I will buy at 60% of MM price." They're not trying to hide that they're offering below market value.
That's a point that I think is getting lost in all of this talk.1 -
mewcatus✭✭✭Rule of thumb. You are welcome to advertise what you want. In return, prepare to face any critizism/backlash that may come with it. Capitalism and free market principles does not mean you do not have to pay a price for your actions. Whether those actions are justified are a matter of opinion.
This is the classic free market versus free speech battle in a democracy. You cannot separate one from the other. So stop cherry picking.2 -
LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rule of thumb. You are welcome to advertise what you want. In return, prepare to face any critizism/backlash that may come with it. Capitalism and free market principles does not mean you do not have to pay a price for your actions. Whether those actions are justified are a matter of opinion.
This is the classic free market versus free speech battle in a democracy. You cannot separate one from the other. So stop cherry picking.
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Absolutely nothing wrong with it. You'll always get those people linking their MM's in zone chat to try and look like the smart guy. Ignore them and keep making that sweet dolla $$$
Except he can't. If someone calls out his lowballing in the zone chat by using MM nobody will sell to him. Not that I care about this, but flippers don't contribute anything positive to the economy, that's why he gets alot of hate.
OP is openly saying "I will buy at 60% of MM price." They're not trying to hide that they're offering below market value.
That's a point that I think is getting lost in all of this talk.
No he isn't. He is saying he is buying "item" at 60g per, but if sold to him in bulk, then 70g per. When the item is worth 100g per. He does not say his offer is 60% of mm in his advert. People then link the going rates in zone, and call him judgmental names.
There is nothing wrong with buying low and selling high as a concept.
There is nothing wrong with informing zone of the real going rate. No need to name call.
The "problem", as is perceived, is that op is preying on those that don't know what the going rate is, purposefully only buying from newbs because someone with experience wouldn't bite.
Some see it is a predatory practice. Some see it as a valid money making tactic. Some are trying to justify it with real life examples. Others are pointing out the flaw in that comparison (op isn't providing any service, has no overhead, etc).
Personally, it's like I said. He is free to advertise and people in zone are free to post going rates. I sell my mats at below market prices all the time, but I have the patience to wait for a higher bid which is usually offered right in the same zone chat. So op offered 60g per, next bulk buyer offers 75g per, next bulk buyer offers 85g per. All are below the mm rate of 100g per and all make a profit but guess who gets less insults?#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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It's because you're intentionally leaving out the latter part, and making a huge assumption people aren't figuring out you're going to sell those items.Im naming specific values and offering 10% bonus for bulk. I make good money at this im just wodering why people find buying low and selling high so offensive.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you that you're not selling mats, but are selling people the ability to remove the grind. Infinite goods have no cost, but this doesn't mean the goods don't have value.
Undercut that value, and, well, you pretty much found out what happens.
There's nothing wrong with asking, but I find it difficult to believe you haven't run across this before, both in games and real life.
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Absolutely nothing wrong with it. You'll always get those people linking their MM's in zone chat to try and look like the smart guy. Ignore them and keep making that sweet dolla $$$
Except he can't. If someone calls out his lowballing in the zone chat by using MM nobody will sell to him. Not that I care about this, but flippers don't contribute anything positive to the economy, that's why he gets alot of hate.
OP is openly saying "I will buy at 60% of MM price." They're not trying to hide that they're offering below market value.
That's a point that I think is getting lost in all of this talk.
No he isn't. He is saying he is buying "item" at 60g per, but if sold to him in bulk, then 70g per. When the item is worth 100g per. He does not say his offer is 60% of mm in his advert. People then link the going rates in zone, and call him judgmental names.
I'll admit I haven't read every single post in this thread, but are you saying OP is lying when they say this:It is my zone ads saying I'm buying them at 60% that causes all the outrage.
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✭This one haggled often, She finds the thrill of getting a lower price to be addicting.IGN: Ki'rah
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On the first page, 23rd post
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4179889/#Comment_4179889
He states that he does not say "60%" he puts up a specific figure that IS 60%.strikeback1247 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »@Almar they are just jealous that they are not smart enough to play the market. Playing the market is a component of this game. Just ignore them.
I have ran into a couple of people like that myself, they are unworthy of our attention.
A guild leader in one of my guilds even threatened to kick me out over not paying MM for everything!
Wait, I may not fully understand your situation here. Can you tell me what exactly you are doing? Can you give me a detailed example of what you are doing?
I go into zones, i advertize that im buying reagents in bulk at 60% of MM value. I am met with Insults, threats, profanity, and claims that im a scammer etc . .
Why on Earth are you telling people in zonechat that you are looking to buy things at 60% of MM value?
This is bad marketting, it's the main reason why you get insults, not because you resell stuffs, but because the advertisement you make is poorly presented.
Instead, if you say, for example, "WTB Corn Flower 280g ea" (while it is 300g according to MM), you are not going to get any backlash. People who think the price is too low will simply not sell them to you. Fair and square.
I'm pretty sure he's not saying "WTB reagents at 60% MM price"
He's just saying he wants to buy reagents at a certain price (like you said) and then people start spamming the actual mm values in chat and calling him a scammer.
Im naming specific values and offering 10% bonus for bulk. I make good money at this im just wodering why people find buying low and selling high so offensive.
Emphasis in bold.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭@mesmerizedish
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4179889/#Comment_4179889
He states that he does not say "60%" he puts up a specific figure that IS 60%.strikeback1247 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »@Almar they are just jealous that they are not smart enough to play the market. Playing the market is a component of this game. Just ignore them.
I have ran into a couple of people like that myself, they are unworthy of our attention.
A guild leader in one of my guilds even threatened to kick me out over not paying MM for everything!
Wait, I may not fully understand your situation here. Can you tell me what exactly you are doing? Can you give me a detailed example of what you are doing?
I go into zones, i advertize that im buying reagents in bulk at 60% of MM value. I am met with Insults, threats, profanity, and claims that im a scammer etc . .
Why on Earth are you telling people in zonechat that you are looking to buy things at 60% of MM value?
This is bad marketting, it's the main reason why you get insults, not because you resell stuffs, but because the advertisement you make is poorly presented.
Instead, if you say, for example, "WTB Corn Flower 280g ea" (while it is 300g according to MM), you are not going to get any backlash. People who think the price is too low will simply not sell them to you. Fair and square.
I'm pretty sure he's not saying "WTB reagents at 60% MM price"
He's just saying he wants to buy reagents at a certain price (like you said) and then people start spamming the actual mm values in chat and calling him a scammer.
Im naming specific values and offering 10% bonus for bulk. I make good money at this im just wodering why people find buying low and selling high so offensive.
Emphasis in bold.
Ah, thanks for clarifying. I guess misleading folks is what OP does everywhere.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have this same problem from time to time. I'm in five high-tier trading guilds in high-traffic locations; as a result my MM prices tend to be higher than people whose two-bit traders are in Nowheresville.
Often I'll post in zone something along the lines of "WTS [item 1] for [x amount], [item 2] for [y amount], [item 3] for [z amount]; PST if interested." The stuff I sell is generally high-tier and/or rarer-to-acquire items, and generally my prices are 5-10k BELOW my own MM prices.
And there always seems to be the two or three people who immediately respond with "THAT'S A RIPOFF MY MM SAYS [such and such amount with 2 sales in the last 20 days that's waaaay below the MM in my much-higher-traffic traders]!!!"
I personally find this behaviour perplexing for three reasons:
a) If someone wants to buy at my price, they will buy at my price, and if someone doesn't want to buy at my price, they won't. I'm not forcing anyone to buy anything, so why these people feel compelled to yell out their own data like some sort of economic Tourette's syndrome, I don't know.
b) I have never seen in real life anyone go into a store in say, a mall, see a price they didn't like, and promptly stand outside the mall door yelling at random mall patrons "THIS STORE'S A TOTAL RIPOFF THEY'RE SELLING STUFF FOR WAY MORE THAN IT'S WORTH!!!!" They may THINK the store's a ripoff, but I've never seen anyone yell at mall patrons, let alone yell at them with the zeal I see from people in zone chat. So why anyone displays this sort of behaviour in zone when it would be COMPLETELY ridiculous if done in the real world is beyond me. Yes, it's the internet, but I mean, come on. Ridiculous. (Note: if you are a person who has, in real life, displayed the mall behaviour I've just outlined, then you're a hopeless ***; please recalibrate your lifestyle.)
c) Like stated before, if people want to pay my prices, they will; if they don't, they won't. Some of these economic paladins think they're doing the game a service by making sure "people don't get ripped off." But here's the thing: MM exists. TTC exists. There's like fifty bajillion pricing addons that anyone can get to help them navigate the economic waters in the game. (Yes, I know, consoles = no addons; I'm on NA PC so I'm only speaking from my game's paradigm.) By engaging in this behaviour, these guys are implicitly stating that 1) they're "protecting" everyone else, even though literally no one asked them to, and 2) they think that other players are incapable of making their own economic decisions, despite the above-mentioned numerous addons being available to everyone on the server. We're big boys and girls. Nobody needs to be babied.
To the OP: all in all I say keep doing what you're doing. You're not trying to scam people since you explicitly state your terms in your purchase pitch; if people don't want to sell to you for those prices, they won't. For the people yelling at you about your price points, they can take a long walk off a short pier. Into the slaughterfish.Edited by Saucy_Jack on June 2, 2017 4:24AMALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »
b) I have never seen in real life anyone go into a store in say, a mall, see a price they didn't like, and promptly stand outside the mall door yelling at random mall patrons "THIS STORE'S A TOTAL RIPOFF THEY'RE SELLING STUFF FOR WAY MORE THAN IT'S WORTH!!!!" They may THINK the store's a ripoff, but I've never seen anyone yell at mall patrons, let alone yell at them with the zeal I see from people in zone chat. So why anyone displays this sort of behaviour in zone when it would be COMPLETELY ridiculous if done in the real world is beyond me. Yes, it's the internet, but I mean, come on. Ridiculous. (Note: if you are a person who has, in real life, displayed the mall behaviour I've just outlined, then you're a hopeless ***; please recalibrate your lifestyle.)
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Off topic but,
I've worked retail for more years than I care to admit. This absolutely does happen.
You and OP are free to post your prices. Others are free to post thier prices. We can't control how some may feel that this a predatory business practice.
Name calling and trying to slander or impugne someone's character (for perceived gouging) is the unacceptable part.
I don't call people scammers for buying under market. Also I appreciate it when the going rate is posted as well. Both can be true. Nothing wrong with an informed populace.
My involvement in this thread is from op trying to garner validation and approval, an effort to have less "guilt", if others agree. Op also seems to want people to stop posting the rates. He can't control people posting rates, just as we can't control people selling to him.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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