Terrible poll is terrible.

Flameheart wrote: »

"Sorry my poll was stupid, because I forgot that Elder Scrolls Morrowind and ESO Morrowind are two totally different game designs (single player RPG vs. MMO) and it is therefore sheer impossible to compare them, alone due to the fact, that MMOs have to satisfy much more needs and wishes as just "open worldness, game play, interesting characters".

I love the ESO version and the stand-alone version, but really... does ESO: Morrowind really satisfy all of those three things enough to bring into consideration an even greater number of criteria?

Or are you suggesting that because it is an MMO version it has to try and do everything to an average standard... rather than anything well?

TES 3 Morrowind is considered the greatest Western RPG ever made by many game critics.
ESO : Morrowind is a painfully medicore expansion of a decent MMO.
NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Poll assumes everyone paid too much for ESO : Morrowind.

qwjr8989_ESO wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

Poll assumes everyone paid too much for ESO : Morrowind.

Was my physical collectors edition too much?

I spent 80 on my collectors edition. Let's say each hour to me is worth 16 dollars an hour.

That means 5 hours worth of my money.

I have so far thoroughly enjoyed 2 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes, and 40 seconds worth of time on my new warden.

That's the equivilant of 944 dollars worth of enjoyment.

I'll take my chances with what I spent.

You're close, OP, except the one on the right should probably be a kitten...

ES III was a genre defining game, impressive years after release, and what many other companies aspired to (and failed) for a long, long time.

Regarding open world exploration, build options, and real play-as-you-want opportunity, no one else has ever matched it since, not even ZoS. (Perhaps especially not ZoS.) It was one of the few that gave you the full construction kit.

For the record, I am partial to the pre-GOTY version, where you didn't get a foldout map. The world was literally blank when you began, and if you didn't get someone to mark it on your map or seek it out yourself, it simply was not there.

No "leveled zones," no scaling. Walk into an area you weren't ready for? Expect to die, horribly.

ESO is great, a game in its own right, but it is not, nor will it ever be Morrowind.


Bethesda won't remaster ESIII, for if they did, they'd probably sink their sister's MMO.

The_Red_Viper wrote: »

Why exactly are you comparing a single player game to an expansion of an MMO?

@The_Red_Viper because without the standalone of the same name, none of this would likely have ever come into existence, and that's the whole of ESO, not just the latest chapter.

qwjr8989_ESO wrote: »

I chose the option I had never played esIII because I haven't. I own it but will never touch it.

It sounds like utter horribleness to me.

1. The vague quests that don't have a quest marker

2. Lack of quick travel

3. Every NPC can die

4. The ability to miss attacks

5. That I can't go anywhere I want at start

6. and all the other outdated concepts of the game

I don't deny that people loved it. I have 4 friends who pretty much quit video games in 2011 when Star Wars Galaxies closed that we played for 8 years who get in TS everyday and say "remember star wars galaxies?" with the same comments as the day before. I however have no need for blatant nostaligia glasses and can enjoy games for what they are.

I have over 1000 hours into skyrim and 600 into fallout 4 - I love fallout 3 but hate new vegas. It seems what people call "True rpgs" to me are instead "you finished working today here have more work. I know you're interested in that dungeon before bed but you haven't hit enough mudcrabs for tonight".

And suddenly I understand a lot of the decisions made by ZOS. If players really do see points 1, 2, 3 and 5 as game-breaking negatives*... the hand holding in quests, level scaling across the board, pre-mapped, wayshrines 2 minutes run apart, no meaningful decisions, "give me the world in the first five minutes" style design conceits really do make sense.

[* 6 - not actually a point as it contains no information, 4 - I can understand that some might find it frustrating even if I didn't.]

I love tes3, yeah it's mechanics and graphics are *** now compared to say oblivion or skyrim but When it first came out it blew my mind. Not being able to fast travel made the game more epic if you ask me.

I have to agree with the apples and oranges people. It is possible for one to be better, but the answer is more dependent upon whether someone likes multiplyer games more or less than single player.

TES 3 is set at a more interesting period in Vvardenfell history. The single player all text quest and story style is something that would drive many modern gamers to claw their eyes out. The character progression is also designed to span a single player quest line.

Morrowind chapter is set during a much less interesting point in the history of the island. It has all the quest hand holding that is typical and expected of modern games, like quest markers, voice overs, and short scripts that can be aborted. It is designed to integrate into an existing game with existing characters, so it has no character progression worth speaking of.

I prefer ESO, the game, to TES 3. It has boatloads more content and good character appearance customization. TES 3 has a weak combat system, but a strong skill system. ESO has more dynamic combat, but a weaker skill system.

Great idea to compare whole game with just a chapter btw...

So are we going to compare speed boats to aircraft carriers next?

logarifmik wrote: »

This poll need option "Both games are best in their own way" or something similar to it.

This was my first thought too.

Definitely not Elder Scrolls Online