VMA I'm sorry

SilverWF · May 2017

Barbara73 wrote: »

What the hell is VMA? LoL

Joined April 2017 ...

Veteran Maelstrom Arena, also known as vMA, vetMA
nMA is a normal Maelstrom Arena, of course.
This is a solo trial, located in the north-east part of Wrothgar.

Volrion · May 2017

Flameheart wrote: »

Sorc build with 2 pets and shield. Start heavy attacking with your lightning staff in stage 1, try to wake up in stage 9 for looting the chest.

Did this just become another nerf sorc thread?

Asardes · May 2017

TL:DR #nerfphysics #nerfgeography

DDemon · May 2017

The only thing difficult about VMA is the RNG on the end chest...

acw37162 · May 2017

Because my egotistical friend VMA is abortion level content, even a good VMA run is a terrible experience.

You enjoy it, good on you.

The poster above captured it four words.

Because it's not fun.

Ep1kMalware · May 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

Personal preferens: Swap out rapid strikes for Power of the Light, you have enough sourcer of healing anyway xD

Too much pen, most mobs in vma have 12k pen, only a couple small things have 18k pen resistence, last boss has 8k res.

For next patch vma I will drop monster set and dw, and use sharp 2h vma maul/leviathan/that major slayer set.

^broken af'ing f.

Ep1kMalware · May 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

1. What is your CP? Probably near 600
2. What is your gear? Probably gold and with BIS items and sets
3. You are using TWO mandatory skills for staminers that can be got only via Alliance war and you are really need to spent lot of time for this
4. Using selfheal spears is meh in case "show possibility of content'
5. Posting pre-patch videos is meh - your stamina just always at ~80% even if you are spamming Vigor, Caltrops and dodgerolls.
6. Everyone knows, that ESO on consoles is easier

TLDR: If some content requires from player all of this: Close to max CP and successful set and BIS gear and max quality gear and investing hours in Cyrodiil and right class and learning always the same templates of monster spawn, then, I would say: that content is poorly designed.

So much wrong. Spears dont heal, l2p stamplar. I'm using regen food. I promise my gear from that wasn't bis, although I do have it, I'm too lazy to switch. Vma on console is significantly harder since we don't have moron timers that tell us to block.

VampiricByNature · May 2017

I beat Maelstrom for the first time a little over a year ago. Blood, sweat, tears. The trial community saw it as a dps marker of talent... so I forced myself in there. It was 0 fun.

A year later and honestly.. I run it in about an hour now. It's still 0 fun. I want to game with people and laugh. Not solo beat my head against the wall. But the gear is important, so I've endured.....

Make it harder? Run it naked. Lol. I enjoy content that's about 30 min-1hr to run. It's bad enough trial runs take forever in inexperienced groups. I don't want my solo-farm to turn into a must-wear-a-diaper extravaganza.

disintegr8 · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

to the people who are trying to complete Vma

i am going to give you the same advice as i give people in game

stop comparing yourself to players doing flawless speed runs, without using any sigils
stop comparing yourself to players running it without CP
stop comparing yourself to players using buckets & brooms (as awesome as it is to watch)

You are not at their level YET

find a video, guide or even talk to someone in game or here on the forum
Someone who struggles,
Someone who picks up EVERY sigil they can,
Someone who assigns as many CP as they can,
Someone who wears the best gear they can,
Someone who spends days of even weeks getting a clear
Someone who dies a thousand times, but keeps going until they complete it

my 1st ever complete 5 months ago took me 4 days, i can now do it on 6 different characters all in around in 1:30 min - i am not the best but i am proof that you do not need to be the best to complete the content!

I think I am getting more enjoyment trying to complete my Master Angler achievement than I would putting this sort of effort into VMA.

Danksta · May 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

I don't know if this glitch happens on other platforms, but the dremora kyngalds glitch and become invincible for me in like 50% of my runs. That's how they increase vMA difficulty—they just break the Arena more.

If they move they will often move to a different spot than they are on your screen and become unable to be bashed. I'm not sure if that's what you mean by invincible. It's best to kill them before they move if at all possible.

Mettaricana · May 2017

Not so much mad at vma as im sick of trying to get sharted on by the RNG system... spending more than i make

Unfadingsilence · May 2017

WldKarde wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

You are the Best EVER Champ!!!

We bow to your skills!

Feel better now?

Maybe ZOS will give you a cookie

Go stroke your ego somewhere else please

Thank you

and no what I would like zos to do is make a harder solo arena or something along those lines and maybe then they can water down VMA for you all who can't beat it haha

Unfadingsilence · May 2017

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

vMSA is freaking hard for new players, simply because the design of the whole thing makes it so. The arena gives you absolutely no time to orient youself. You need to memorize the placement of the sigils because they spawn together with the mobs. You need to to memorize the spawns of the mobs because they immediately start attacking you, with absurd damage values. If you are caught on the other side of an arena (as a stam player) when a mob spawns then you are usually dead or out of resources once you reach them.
This is something that all you "L2P2, "eazy mode", etc guys forget, you simply all know where and when to attack.

I've bought a MMORPG game not a gigantic game of Memory, so I'll most likely will continue to stay away from this cluster f.... of an arena.

No it really does come down to L2P since ppl have put out builds on YouTube where you can run VMA with ZERO CP so a new play who hits lvl 50 can run VMA and get flawless if they understand the concept and mechanics of it

kargen27 · May 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

No matter how easy you think VMA is, I'm sure there are still easier ways to make gold.

But can you just imagine if they ever made it BOE how much someone who can't beat VMA now would pay for a sharpened weapon if they ever make it harder? We are talking about millions in a matter of 30 mins

Maybe for the first day? Maybe. Thing is most people who can't beat vMA as it is probably don't really care about best weapon anyway. They are your casual players.

If they went to a token system and made the weapons bind on equip there would be an over abundance of sharpened weapons within two days time. Making sure to have only the best gear isn't something the majority of players really worry about and I doubt most players who both want and need a sharpened weapon from vMA could afford the gold you are imagining they are worth.

Unfadingsilence · May 2017

VampiricByNature wrote: »

I beat Maelstrom for the first time a little over a year ago. Blood, sweat, tears. The trial community saw it as a dps marker of talent... so I forced myself in there. It was 0 fun.

A year later and honestly.. I run it in about an hour now. It's still 0 fun. I want to game with people and laugh. Not solo beat my head against the wall. But the gear is important, so I've endured.....

Make it harder? Run it naked. Lol. I enjoy content that's about 30 min-1hr to run. It's bad enough trial runs take forever in inexperienced groups. I don't want my solo-farm to turn into a must-wear-a-diaper extravaganza.

I did my naked run its not fun

but VMA only takes 30 mins to an hour so that is fun

Unfadingsilence · May 2017

Juli'St wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Some ppl not are heroes... or not have all life to expend in a game. Sorry bro, we are just common people with family, jobs, etc.

And? I have a wife and 3 kids and a full time job and play eso on off time and when wife and kids are sleeping lol still easy to be something with ZERO CP zos needs to make VMA harder or male a new solo arena with new BIS gear or weapons and water down VMA for the ppl that can't beat it

Syrusthevirus187 · May 2017

Volrion wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

Where in the world do you play from? Unless you're at least an above average player, you're going to have a really hard time on VMA if you're not playing from America on NA server. I can't speak for EU players, but I know it's a huge problem for guys trying to do end-game from Asia on NA server.

In my opinion, average (or worse) skilled players have very little chance of getting a clear under these conditions.

I've cleared VMA without even paying attention when playing from Florida. When I tried it from Japan (with a better internet connection) it was a different story all together. Still got it done, but the lag is terrible and it's not enjoyable at all.

I run a 100mb connection here in Osaka and just a standard ping to Texas is about 400ms. That's before you start spiking with all the bugs, server load etc. in ESO. It's brutal man.

VMA, Vet Trials, and PVP are held behind the gate keeper of connectivity for most players.

Thanks for this post man. I run 300-330 ping from Australia and I can get vma done with 4ish deaths pre morrow wind. I thought flawless was attainable, not so sure now (maybe if rng lined up lol). Now its definitely harder with regen and lag seems worse. I've given up raiding due to lag and the burden on my raid groups. I'll still go into vma but it aint fun. I'd settle for a ping in the 200's.

I'm in the same boat, mate. Playing from Japan, I don't do Veteran Raids because I don't want to let my team down.

Frequently used terms I hear when raiding with Americans; "Bunch up here guys" "Overchargers on the right" "Nice work" etc.

Frequently used terms I hear raiding with Aussies; "Hold on guys, I'm lagging out" "Sorry guys, this is unplayable right now" "Oh, I think ______ just DC'd again" "Just do your rotation man, you'll still do damage, even though you cant see it..." etc. lol

Anyone who can get Flawless playing from Australia is a god!

Agreed
(I'm from New Zealand)

LadyLethalla · May 2017

Yeah, it's pretty easy to say "L2P" isn't it. On my magsorc, who's made it to stage 7, he dodge rolls out of a poison circle, gets afflicted by it anyway (thanks lag) and then doesn't have enough stam to get to the pool in time. Or gets one-shotted by the three archers firing at once while dodge rolling out of the poison circle. Staying alive trying to hit said archers from doing their one-shot charge while abilities aren't firing; spamming ward and it's doing nothing. Yep, L2P. Can't, with lag.

Also for the posts just above this one, I don't even have access to NBN yet, but I was hoping to finish VMA when that eventually arrives (ie sometime in the next decade). From what I'm seeing though, that's not going to help either. Thanks ZoS, for no Oceania server.

Ep1kMalware · May 2017

VampiricByNature wrote: »

I beat Maelstrom for the first time a little over a year ago. Blood, sweat, tears. The trial community saw it as a dps marker of talent... so I forced myself in there. It was 0 fun.

A year later and honestly.. I run it in about an hour now. It's still 0 fun. I want to game with people and laugh. Not solo beat my head against the wall. But the gear is important, so I've endured.....

Make it harder? Run it naked. Lol. I enjoy content that's about 30 min-1hr to run. It's bad enough trial runs take forever in inexperienced groups. I don't want my solo-farm to turn into a must-wear-a-diaper extravaganza.

Hah I remwmber those daya. I was in tgere bexause the quote on quote elitests at the time couldnt beat it, i remember that in ur face moment whe n I got picked over them for raids because Inwas stormproof.

waitwhat · November 2017

Being good at VMA only means that you are good at VMA. The DPS and gear setups are very different from what works on trials, and unlike trials, when you have it memorized, VMA becomes a cakewalk in the nude, as anything of that singular, solitary nature would.

I'm working on my first clear now, day 2, at stage 7. It does get easier when I slow it down with more defensive sets (Iceheart over Slimecraw, IA over necro, etc.) such that I can memorize where all the venom casters spawn and hold one minder at low health until a second spawns so I just nonce the first and light attack while in the bubble.

It's hard, but this is a memory game. It is a game of repetition. It is, ironically, not a game of innate skill in reaction to the unknown or unpredictable. It's just a right of passage, a gauntlet of suffering to get good weapons and impress people who care about it.

Also, my favorite part: many masters/perfected weaps BiS next patch. Where is your god now?

Kahina · November 2017

Blanco wrote: »

If you can't beat VMA you need to rework your build and L2P.

No. You just need decent latency. Or a game built with latency equalization. Or a game built to the player bases average ping.

ZOS can do nothing about the former, but they are entirely to blame for the (lack of the) latter two.

Morgul667 · November 2017

BulletCraft86 wrote: »

NBN will not help your ping here in Australia. its not about how fast you can download but the speed in which your ping can travel to the NA server. I have NBN 250ping is the best i can get, i have tried vpn's as well as every option regarding port forwarding/ firewall exceptions. you name it ive tried it.

Id really like to see a run of VMA @ 300 ping i found doing normal nearly impossible as i would die before animations would even show. Tried VMA and its stupid. its all about timing and yet im already behind with such a stupid ping rate. How on earth are trials and dungeons not playable yet VMA is @ a 300ping?

Anyways, i would pay alot of money to watch a season Veteran pro do VMA with the massive lag we get here in Australia.

I beat from asia with 350 - 450 ms ping

Takes practice though

Sneaky-Snurr · November 2017

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

not everybody has <100ping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVr8S1c1eps

@NoMoreChillies
This right here is exactly why I gave up farming for vMA weapons.

It's just too hard to complete one run at ~300 ping average without dying 100^728394883 times. On good days, my ping can stabilise only so far at 270 and that's about it. The video really gives a good picture for everyone to see how us Oceanic players struggle to stay alive in vMA.
And like the other poster here said, if anyone playing from Asian/Oceanic region managed to achieve Flawless, my utmost respect and salutations are due to you. *thumbs up*

waitwhat · November 2017

Also, I'm only bothering to run Maelstrom now that transmutation has been implemented. I can't be the only one. Shows how badly designed the whole gambit has been since its inception.

Izaki · November 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

No matter how easy you think VMA is, I'm sure there are still easier ways to make gold.

But can you just imagine if they ever made it BOE how much someone who can't beat VMA now would pay for a sharpened weapon if they ever make it harder? We are talking about millions in a matter of 30 mins

They won't pay much considering they could always buy a Powered or Decisive weapon and transmute it to Nirnhoned or Infused or whatever trait they need.

SanTii.92 · November 2017

Volrion wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

Where in the world do you play from? Unless you're at least an above average player, you're going to have a really hard time on VMA if you're not playing from America on NA server. I can't speak for EU players, but I know it's a huge problem for guys trying to do end-game from Asia on NA server.

In my opinion, average (or worse) skilled players have very little chance of getting a clear under these conditions.

I've cleared VMA without even paying attention when playing from Florida. When I tried it from Japan (with a better internet connection) it was a different story all together. Still got it done, but the lag is terrible and it's not enjoyable at all.

I run a 100mb connection here in Osaka and just a standard ping to Texas is about 400ms. That's before you start spiking with all the bugs, server load etc. in ESO. It's brutal man.

VMA, Vet Trials, and PVP are held behind the gate keeper of connectivity for most players.

I play with 250 ping and it's barely an issue. 400 would be unplayable tho.

Jeremy · November 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

I'm not crying about it. I just don't do it.

Even you admit stage 5 is hell (though I would describe it as something worse than hell). It's basically just an abomination of game design that panders to offensive play styles.

Maybe if it was more enjoyable content I would bother trying rearrange my character's build and gear to beat it. But nah. They can keep their maelstrom weapons. Only so much annoyance and trouble I'm willing to put up with over a video game.

So a shout out to all those who are supposedly crying about VMA - you're absolutely right. It's b.s. content and I would recommend you spare yourself the torture and go do something more enjoyable.

Asardes · November 2017

All stages are basically about knowing the spawns for the more dangerous mobs and hitting the spots with ground based AoE skills so mobs are half dead before they actually start attacking. Blockade/Endless Hail when you see a glimmer and you'll beat it with no issues. Took me a few dozen runs to learn most of the spawn points. Sure, some rounds have a bit of RNG but most of that has a bit of counter-play. The only exception I can think about is having spore spawn under the shield in the Vault of Umbrage, but that's pretty rare if you go for the farthest minder in case one spawned and also kill the summoner before the boss starts screaming. Also some classes are harder than others. Ranged magicka classes are easier compared to melee stamina, and melee magicka is the worst due to lower DPS and resistance. My Templar has in fact become mostly ranged since I dropped puncturing sweep for other skills so I play it almost like a Sorcerer.

grannas211 · November 2017

Now that VMA weapons are useless for pvp, there's even less incentive to run it anymore. A backbar bow or lightning staff for pve is the only reason to even run it anymore. The staff isn't that necessary either.

tplink3r1 · November 2017

I play with around 250~300 ping and it's quite easy to beat it until the last stage, then it gets just too hard. Not easy to get the golden ghost or evade the fire breathing miniboss with this kind of latency.