Outlander...

HappyHaunt · May 2017

What I do find awesome is 'The Truth in Sequence' sermons. Finally, something that focuses on the greatest member of the Tribunal!

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Bananko wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Although, it would -really- be nifty if we had more passives then just the racial passives... I'd love if they added some "birthplace" passive, which yopu can set for your backstory, and then gain some minor advantage depending if your dunmer grew up on the basalt slopes of red mountain, or in the meadows of deshaan...
...of course, I'd also want "cultural background" passives, because I reckon a dunmer who grew up in a boble household would have different upbringing then one growing up a commoner worker, or one growing up as ashlander nomad...
...but that's a different discussion, to be had elsewhere!

Would that also go for Imperial characters who travel to Cyrodiil/The Imperial City (I'm genuinely curious as I've thus far hardly ever traveled to those zones)?

I was talking about a bunch of "backstory" passives... naturally the birthplace would have to inclose all major regions of tamriel!
So a dunmer could come from Vvardenfell, Stonefalls, Deshaan, Bal Foyen... or the redoran lands west of vvardenfell (Blacklight, Silgrad, etc), the telvanni lands east of vvardenfell (Port Telvannis, Firewatch, Port Velothi) or the dres lands east of Stonefalls and Dershaan (Necrom, Tear...)

Consequently an imperial could have Cyrodil, Imperial City, Colovian Highlands, Gold Coast, Nibenay, Blackwood... there may be others if we do some subdividing I guess... and one minor passive for each "upbringing" location.

Could be a non-combat passive... which might make it easier to balance. But -something- to make the highborn city slicker character a bit different from the lowborn "country rube" character. Not better (that's be only in the highborns mind), just... different in some way.

Same for the "cultural background" passives I keep thinking about... though there I could see some combat passives as well. After all, it makes way more sense for a noble to have the time and wealth to study magica, so a magica based bonuis would be applicable... while the common labourer might have more stamina benefits, from all that working, while the "outcast/nomad" type character might be tougher for growing up roghing it in the wilderlness as ashlander/wood orc/ash'aba/whatever...

HappyHaunt · May 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I was talking about a bunch of "backstory" passives... naturally the birthplace would have to inclose all major regions of tamriel!
So a dunmer could come from Vvardenfell, Stonefalls, Deshaan, Bal Foyen... or the redoran lands west of vvardenfell (Blacklight, Silgrad, etc), the telvanni lands east of vvardenfell (Port Telvannis, Firewatch, Port Velothi) or the dres lands east of Stonefalls and Dershaan (Necrom, Tear...)

Consequently an imperial could have Cyrodil, Imperial City, Colovian Highlands, Gold Coast, Nibenay, Blackwood... there may be others if we do some subdividing I guess... and one minor passive for each "upbringing" location.

Could be a non-combat passive... which might make it easier to balance. But -something- to make the highborn city slicker character a bit different from the lowborn "country rube" character. Not better (that's be only in the highborns mind), just... different in some way.

Same for the "cultural background" passives I keep thinking about... though there I could see some combat passives as well. After all, it makes way more sense for a noble to have the time and wealth to study magica, so a magica based bonuis would be applicable... while the common labourer might have more stamina benefits, from all that working, while the "outcast/nomad" type character might be tougher for growing up roghing it in the wilderlness as ashlander/wood orc/ash'aba/whatever...

Cool idea actually; anything to add to character customisation is good in my book.

Karmanorway · May 2017

Ahh the ignorance of outlanders ... how refreshing

- Archcannon Tarvuz

BlackSparrow · May 2017

Really, I think this just highlights a problem where the game doesn't tend to recognize your racial choices overall. There are a lot of NPCs who will either describe or insult a character's race TO that character, and treat you no differently in times when it seems your race really should make a difference.

The xenophobia of Vvardenfell dunmer just magnifies it, really. This problem has been here all along.

xmaveri · May 2017

The fact that they put rasisim and slurs in this game just makes it surreal

AlienSlof · May 2017

One guy called my Dunmer warden 'n'wah' and I was happy for the rest of the day!

LadyNalcarya · May 2017

I do Morrowind quests as a khajiit, and its really funny sometimes. Telvanni are just being Telvanni. XD

Avalon · May 2017

They could tell by the wedding dress your male dunmer was sporting?

HappyHaunt · May 2017

Hey... my Dunmer is female and does not go around in a wedding dress. >.<

starkerealm · May 2017

AlienSlof wrote: »

One guy called my Dunmer warden 'n'wah' and I was happy for the rest of the day!

"My n'wah."

Yargu · May 2017

I am going to have flashbacks to Swtor when they start calling me the "Outlander."

MornaBaine · May 2017

Try being a vampire and meeting other vampires some time. Hi Count Ravenwatch, yes I'm totally shocked to see some dude on your dinner table and you guys drinking his blood. Because I, your fellow vampire, have never seen anything like that before and of course had no idea you were a vampire... SIGH

I was really disappointed to see this was not at all fixed with Morrowind and being recognized as a Dunmer.

Niliu · May 2017

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

My theory for why the player can ask questions they should already know about their own race is that they lost all their memories of their old life when they were killed by Mannimarco, for a new character in Morrowwind you can say amnesia from the boat crash.

HappyHaunt · May 2017

Niliu wrote: »

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

My theory for why the player can ask questions they should already know about their own race is that they lost all their memories of their old life when they were killed by Mannimarco, for a new character in Morrowwind you can say amnesia from the boat crash.

But its been a very long time since my Dunmer got killed by Mannimarco... oh and got her soul back from Molag Bal.

crashen17b14_ESO · May 2017

HappyHaunt wrote: »

Niliu wrote: »

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

My theory for why the player can ask questions they should already know about their own race is that they lost all their memories of their old life when they were killed by Mannimarco, for a new character in Morrowwind you can say amnesia from the boat crash.

But its been a very long time since my Dunmer got killed by Mannimarco... oh and got her soul back from Molag Bal.

Yes but are you sure it was HER soul? Dun dun dun!

It is kind of funny playing through morrowind on my dunmer mag dk, wearing recolored ordinator robes (so not even dressed in another cultures style!) who happened to be covenant. But it has actually helped me define his background.

I had already decided he was an apostate, a follower of the Good Daedra and not the Tribunal, favoring Boethiah. But now I have determined he is a member of Redoran or Indoril, exiled for his heresy. He traveled for a time and came to Pariah Abbey to study under the Spirit Wardens of Azura, when she appeared to him and set him on the Quest of the Missing Prophecy. Now he is returning to Vvardenfell as an Outlander to save the people who exiled him and the false gods they worship.

Maximo3rdb14_ESO · June 2017

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying. It made sense in Morrowind when you were canonically not a Morrowind native Dunmer, but that's not the case in ESO when you're playing as a Dunmer (it makes even less sense to suggest you're not a Morrowind native since that wouldn't incentivize you to help a group you're not loyal to). It takes me out of the storyline every single time because it's a matter of saving a few dollars and cents over allowing the player to immerse themselves in the narrative.

And the moments where NPCs talk as if you're not Dunmer, or where you're forced to act as if you don't know what daedra are or who the Three are, is incredibly irritating.

Enodoc · June 2017

Maximo3rdb14_ESO wrote: »

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying. It made sense in Morrowind when you were canonically not a Morrowind native Dunmer, but that's not the case in ESO when you're playing as a Dunmer (it makes even less sense to suggest you're not a Morrowind native since that wouldn't incentivize you to help a group you're not loyal to). It takes me out of the storyline every single time because it's a matter of saving a few dollars and cents over allowing the player to immerse themselves in the narrative.

And the moments where NPCs talk as if you're not Dunmer, or where you're forced to act as if you don't know what daedra are or who the Three are, is incredibly irritating.

You can be a Morrowind native without being native to Vvardenfell. That's the situation for Dunmer in this storyline.

But I agree that its irritating that you are forced into saying you don't know who the Three are.

Drachenfier · June 2017

Not really the same, but I was in a building and I was hidden so I could steal phat lootz, and this Argonian manservant comes in with a broom, sweeping the floor. I get detected, so I just sit there in "sneak", waiting for him to leave, and he stops sweeping, stares at me for a long moment, and says in that slow Argonian drawl:

"You know I can see you, right?"

First time that's ever happened.

nine9six · June 2017

Had this conversation with a friend at work the other day.

I have a few Alts that are from Vvardenfell (at least how *I* portray them) and I get called an Outlander.

-_-