Outlander...

HappyHaunt

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

TheShadowScout

You are not a dunmer they know as one of their neighbors, you maybe wear attire that comes from the mainland, possibly your accent also gives you away, so... Outlander!

As for religion... yeah, we definitely could use some choices with different dialouge options on that one. Same thing for a bosmer playing through valenwood and having to listen to all those green pact explenations...

platonicidealgirlfriend

The same reason they could clock Dunmer characters in Morrowind; your mannerisms, vocal patterns, and so forth do not match those of Vvardenfell natives.

FWIW, it seems that the Ashlanders drop the term more than anyone else, which makes sense given that they can tell a house elf from another Ashlander pretty easily. And, on the other side of the table, there are a few NPCs in the settlements who will react to the fact that you're a Dunmer. For example, one of the caravaners asked me a question "Dark Elf to Dark Elf."

This can definitely contradict your rp background, but you can avoid obvious Outlander questions like "huh wow never heard of azura whos that?" if they're not something your character would say.

Khenarthi

I found a few NPCs that recognised my characters as Khajiit, it made me very happy.

Everstorm

Khenarthi wrote: »

I found a few NPCs that recognised my characters as Khajiit, it made me very happy.

A slaver?

starkerealm

TheShadowScout wrote: »

You are not a dunmer they know as one of their neighbors, you maybe wear attire that comes from the mainland, possibly your accent also gives you away, so... Outlander!

As for religion... yeah, we definitely could use some choices with different dialouge options on that one. Same thing for a bosmer playing through valenwood and having to listen to all those green pact explenations...

Nah, the green pact explanations are because they saw you snarfing down a food buff, and they're just being really passive aggressive about it.

Khenarthi

Everstorm wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

I found a few NPCs that recognised my characters as Khajiit, it made me very happy.

A slaver?

No... there was a wizard in Suran and a few quest people in Tel something or another.

idk

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

They can smell it on you.

Invincible

Doesn't really matter what lesser species call other lesser species? You're all subjects of the empire in the end.

Sincerely: an imperial

itehache

I guess it's because you are actually not originally from Vvanderfell (whatever the story behind your character might be, for the NPCs in morrowind you're still an outsider because you come from the "Mainland").

HappyHaunt

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

They can smell it on you.

Hey... are you saying I smell? S'wit!

Invincible wrote: »

Doesn't really matter what lesser species call other lesser species? You're all subjects of the empire in the end.

Sincerely: an imperial

I am a loyal subject of Tribunal; not your silly empire.

Bananko

HappyHaunt wrote: »

So my Dunmer is getting annoyed being called this all the time (I can handle it in TESIII because that was the point); exactly how do they know a fellow Dunmer is an Outlander anyway? Also in Seyda Neen the NPCs were acting as if the Tribunal wasn't her religion... yeah... um... that makes me sad.

That's an interesting dilemma, similar to the subject of a thread I started a few months back regarding how most NPC Imperials (at least the soldiers) treat my Imperial Nightblade as if he wasn't an Imperial, despite him being fully decked out in Medium Imperial Armor.

WalksonGraves

This was also an issue in original morrowind. Got sick of having every dunmer yell "scuuuuuum!" at me so I made a dark elf. Turns out the only thing dark elves hate more than foreigners is their own kind that "betray" them by leaving the island.

starkerealm

WalksonGraves wrote: »

This was also an issue in original morrowind. Got sick of having every dunmer yell "scuuuuuum!" at me so I made a dark elf. Turns out the only thing dark elves hate more than foreigners is their own kind that "betray" them by leaving the island.

Technically you get a 5 or 10 point disposition bump from them. (I forget which). Problem is, Dark Elves had low personality (at least the males did in Morrowind), meaning they'd still hate you more than an Imperial, even though they were predisposed towards liking you.

Turns out, the only thing they hate more than male dark elves who left the homeland is Argonians, Nords, male Redguard, male orcs, and ESPECIALLY female orcs.

AhPook_Is_Here

The truth of it is, all dunmer are colorblind so everyone looks grey to them and they'd rather be safe than sorry.

HappyHaunt

I think it was only the caravaners and a Ashlander that noticed I was a Dunmer. ._.

CaptainBeerDude

Khenarthi wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

I found a few NPCs that recognised my characters as Khajiit, it made me very happy.

A slaver?

No... there was a wizard in Suran and a few quest people in Tel something or another.

They were all slavers...

MickeyBN

If something in this game doesn't make sense, best thing you can do is use your imagination. That's really all Roleplaying is anyway.

Slurg

They call you things a lot worse than Outlander if you're an Argonian.

I just wish more of them were killable.

SFDB

I was quite excited that there would be a big new story update finally, having been only able to get that over on SWTOR, which wouldn't be a problem except everyone over there keeps calling me "Outlander" all the time, and I'm sick of it. I'm so glad I can do some story now where I won't be called "Outlander" any more!

[five minutes in]

@#$%!

SHADOW2KK

SFDB wrote: »

I was quite excited that there would be a big new story update finally, having been only able to get that over on SWTOR, which wouldn't be a problem except everyone over there keeps calling me "Outlander" all the time, and I'm sick of it. I'm so glad I can do some story now where I won't be called "Outlander" any more!

[five minutes in]

@#$%!

Hehe brilliant, could be worse however...#

In TES 3 Morrowind, the Ordinator guards in Vivec liked glaring at you and saying pleasant things like, `We are watching you....scum`.

I got irritable at that one day and slaughtered a few of them, sold them to a nice scamp in Caldera, then they really dislike you after that, coming to Vivec clad in the armour and gear of their fallen.

I cannot imagine why

But I digress, happy travels Outlander

Galwylin

Its okay. My high elf in Auridon was told they don't accept my kind of people. They are racist and had only just met me and all ready I was an other.

Cloudless

Vicarra

I know it's infantile, but every time I see or hear mentions of "House elf" I start reading all the dialogues in Dobby's voice.

Feanor

It's an issue even in the base game. For example there is that quest in Stonefalls where you help some Khajiit that get accused of killing the farm owner. The widow goes full rant on the stinking cats. It's kind of awkward playing that quest line as...Khajiit. I never understood why checking for the race on quests like those and have different answers accordingly wasn't a thing.

hmsdragonfly

Invincible wrote: »

Doesn't really matter what lesser species call other lesser species? You're all subjects of the empire in the end.

Sincerely: an imperial

Shhhh military n'wah. In the great and beautiful Morrowind, military n'wahs are still n'wahs.

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I remember in Orsinium, A LOT OF NPCs recognized you as an Orc. You could become a chieftain of a clan. There was this NPC who insulted the Orcs, I was like "What did you say?" and the guy was like "Oh ehhhh I was just kidding, no offense". I feel special if I play Orsinium as an Orc, I don't get that feeling as much playing as a Dunmer in Morrowind. Things could have been better.

I get it, they can call me Outlander, but please give us more dialogues when it comes to RP elements what you did in Orsinium. If I play as a Dunmer, when someone talks about Tribunal, I would love an option for "I serve the Tribunal as well". When someone being cold because I am an Outlander, I would love an option for "but i am a Dunmer", then the guy can say things like "But you were not born here, so to us, you are an Outlander". When it comes to slavery, if I play as an Dunmer, I would like an option to not free the slaves and still get the quest done, I would like an dialogue option for "Free slaves? These filthy n'wahs must serve the great and beautiful Morrowind!". Small things like these do matter a lot for the overall enjoyment of the expansion. I know that a lot of people play Morrowind as a Dunmer, and they want to feel special playing as a Dunmer here compared to playing as other races, because Morrowind is their home. Please pass this feedback to the development team @ZOS_GinaBruno , I know nothing can be done now, but things can be improved in future DLCs/Expansions. I am talking about Elsweyr, Khajiit characters should have some special treatments. I am talking about Summerset Isles, Altmer characters shouldn't be always treated like lesser races. I am talking about Whiterun Hold, Nord characters should feel like being at home.

I like that in HoF, when you meet Divayth Fyr, you can be like "Hey Divayth Fyr, big fan". If it was the case for the rest of the expansion, I would say Morrowind is the best content in ESO. But because my Telvanni MagDK couldn't say "but i am a Dunmer, you s'wit n'wah" to the Archcanon (who was being an **** to me) and was forced to free slaves in this quest, I say Orsinium is still the best content drop in my book, because my Orc became the Chief of clan Shatul! At least I can be like "screw you Hlaalu lol I burn your stuffs now", so it's still a good experience, although improvement would be hugely appreciated.

Enodoc

itehache wrote: »

I guess it's because you are actually not originally from Vvanderfell (whatever the story behind your character might be, for the NPCs in morrowind you're still an outsider because you come from the "Mainland").

Yeah that's it. It's the same in TES3. Even if you're a Dunmer, someone who is not native to Vvardenfell is still considered an Outlander.

hmsdragonfly

Enodoc wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

I guess it's because you are actually not originally from Vvanderfell (whatever the story behind your character might be, for the NPCs in morrowind you're still an outsider because you come from the "Mainland").

Yeah that's it. It's the same in TES3. Even if you're a Dunmer, someone who is not native to Vvardenfell is still considered an Outlander.

I remember this dialogue in Orsinium:
NPC Orc: Outlander! (or outsider, I don't remember)
Me: But i am an Orc!
NPC Orc: But you are not from Wrothgar, so to us, you are an outlander.

While I am fine with being called an outlander, it would be great if there were something like this in Morrowind.
Plus, please don't force us to free the filthy slaves to complete the quest.

TheShadowScout

starkerealm wrote: »

Nah, the green pact explanations are because they saw you snarfing down a food buff, and they're just being really passive aggressive about it.

But... but... my bosmer characters would never use food made with plants!

Although, it would make a nifty addition for religions... "taboos", like, declare openly for green pact religion, become -technically unable- to use food buffs made with plant ingredients... (and add some more meat recipes to balance, perhaps?)

Cloudless wrote: »

This! For the win!

And yeah, my Dunmer bounty huntress backstory has her born in Vvardenfell, but she hasn't been there since the akaviri invasion, so... was not surprised to be called "outlander".

Although, it would -really- be nifty if we had more passives then just the racial passives... I'd love if they added some "birthplace" passive, which yopu can set for your backstory, and then gain some minor advantage depending if your dunmer grew up on the basalt slopes of red mountain, or in the meadows of deshaan...
...of course, I'd also want "cultural background" passives, because I reckon a dunmer who grew up in a boble household would have different upbringing then one growing up a commoner worker, or one growing up as ashlander nomad...
...but that's a different discussion, to be had elsewhere!

HappyHaunt

Orsinium was great for my Orc, becoming a chieftain and all that. I was hoping Morrowind would have been the same for my Dunmer, I actually played it on my Orc first so being an Outlander was normal... I was expecting more dialogue options when I played it on my Dunmer... but no such luck. >.<

Though even if they did have different options for Dunmer, mine would still free the slaves because she's against slavery. But I would have really liked more options for talking about the Tribunal; she's very religious.

Bananko

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Although, it would -really- be nifty if we had more passives then just the racial passives... I'd love if they added some "birthplace" passive, which yopu can set for your backstory, and then gain some minor advantage depending if your dunmer grew up on the basalt slopes of red mountain, or in the meadows of deshaan...
...of course, I'd also want "cultural background" passives, because I reckon a dunmer who grew up in a boble household would have different upbringing then one growing up a commoner worker, or one growing up as ashlander nomad...
...but that's a different discussion, to be had elsewhere!

Would that also go for Imperial characters who travel to Cyrodiil/The Imperial City (I'm genuinely curious as I've thus far hardly ever traveled to those zones)?