VMA I'm sorry

IwakuraLain42 · May 2017

vMSA is freaking hard for new players, simply because the design of the whole thing makes it so. The arena gives you absolutely no time to orient youself. You need to memorize the placement of the sigils because they spawn together with the mobs. You need to to memorize the spawns of the mobs because they immediately start attacking you, with absurd damage values. If you are caught on the other side of an arena (as a stam player) when a mob spawns then you are usually dead or out of resources once you reach them.
This is something that all you "L2P2, "eazy mode", etc guys forget, you simply all know where and when to attack.

I've bought a MMORPG game not a gigantic game of Memory, so I'll most likely will continue to stay away from this cluster f.... of an arena.

UrbanMonk · May 2017

It matters not no more. vMA dual wield for stam is history, except for the BoW. ( which i've a lot of them in all traits but sharp)

bebynnag · May 2017

to the people who are trying to complete Vma

i am going to give you the same advice as i give people in game

stop comparing yourself to players doing flawless speed runs, without using any sigils
stop comparing yourself to players running it without CP
stop comparing yourself to players using buckets & brooms (as awesome as it is to watch)

You are not at their level YET

find a video, guide or even talk to someone in game or here on the forum
Someone who struggles,
Someone who picks up EVERY sigil they can,
Someone who assigns as many CP as they can,
Someone who wears the best gear they can,
Someone who spends days of even weeks getting a clear
Someone who dies a thousand times, but keeps going until they complete it

my 1st ever complete 5 months ago took me 4 days, i can now do it on 6 different characters all in around in 1:30 min - i am not the best but i am proof that you do not need to be the best to complete the content!

Juli'St · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

to the people who are trying to complete Vma

i am going to give you the same advice as i give people in game

stop comparing yourself to players doing flawless speed runs, without using any sigils
stop comparing yourself to players running it without CP
stop comparing yourself to players using buckets & brooms (as awesome as it is to watch)

You are not at their level YET

find a video, guide or even talk to someone in game or here on the forum
Someone who struggles,
Someone who picks up EVERY sigil they can,
Someone who assigns as many CP as they can,
Someone who wears the best gear they can,
Someone who spends days of even weeks getting a clear
Someone who dies a thousand times, but keeps going until they complete it

my 1st ever complete 5 months ago took me 4 days, i can now do it on 6 different characters all in around in 1:30 min - i am not the best but i am proof that you do not need to be the best to complete the content!

Resume: VMA need change to make people happy.

END!

Skjoldur · May 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

There it's just... Run the same s**t for the 99.9% chance to get trash for decon.

Which brings us back to the crazy loot system in this game. I am missing a lot of sets and weapons but since I expect an item level in the next few months I won't farm any minute.

Chances to get what you want are way to low for rather unfun content. Even getting gear in D3 is more fun than this.

taiji2078 · May 2017

FOR ME (yes, it's my point of view alone) vMA it's just like the pvp in eso : they could remove it and I wouldn't even notice the difference. Boring. If you want pvp, there are other games with faster pvp where you also need to show some skills not game mechanics exploits.

Yes, I did complete the vMA on my pet sorcerer thanks to @Masel92 who refined a great build to almost perfection ... it really couldn't get easier than this . Ahhh ... you don't have an Altmer Sorcerer ? Just make it fast and level it to 50 in Skyreach in one evening with a friend or paying some stranger to help ya (yes, +150% xp pots are needed for this).

If you're in trouble completing the vMA, just run his build and get over with. With this build you can run it with your eyes closed - just make sure you always keep your 10 seconds shield up and lightning heavy attack. You will never die and you'll never be oom. Enjoy your vMA in easy mode ... but farming that staff ... so useless and boring. GG if you have it, but I don't find motivation enough to farm it.

Banana · May 2017

*** that place

SilverWF · May 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

1. What is your CP? Probably near 600
2. What is your gear? Probably gold and with BIS items and sets
3. You are using TWO mandatory skills for staminers that can be got only via Alliance war and you are really need to spent lot of time for this
4. Using selfheal spears is meh in case "show possibility of content'
5. Posting pre-patch videos is meh - your stamina just always at ~80% even if you are spamming Vigor, Caltrops and dodgerolls.
6. Everyone knows, that ESO on consoles is easier

TLDR: If some content requires from player all of this: Close to max CP and successful set and BIS gear and max quality gear and investing hours in Cyrodiil and right class and learning always the same templates of monster spawn, then, I would say: that content is poorly designed.

Troneon · May 2017

Only thing that bugs me is getting flawless is heavily based on luck of lag, disconnects and sometimes RNG on rounds.

Betsararie · May 2017

I forgot about the lag... the lag is a disgrace.

Fix the lag

Ulfgarde · May 2017

Everyone struggles on their first clear. I would keep going at it because it's really worth that payoff - the fact YOU managed to clear it despite thinking otherwise.

The game doesn't teach you survivability, evasion, or good builds. Every zone is scaled to your level and you can 3-shot every opponent no problem. It isn't until you start getting into vMA where this massive learning curve is found. You find out you have to run self-heals / shields. You find out you must be running some sustain. You find out that there is more to this game than spamming skills, and really it makes it much more fun than just killing mobs in the overworld.

Old veteran zones, which were hard as hell back then, were controversially nerfed, but were probably the best way to start learning the game at an endgame degree. Of course, you had anomaly runs for a while for XP gains, but everyone stepped into veteran zones and had to undergo a serious learning curve. The vMA curve comes way too late in the endgame and is optional, of course, but really makes you get so much into the game.

BigBadVolk · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

to the people who are trying to complete Vma

i am going to give you the same advice as i give people in game

stop comparing yourself to players doing flawless speed runs, without using any sigils
stop comparing yourself to players running it without CP
stop comparing yourself to players using buckets & brooms (as awesome as it is to watch)

You are not at their level YET

find a video, guide or even talk to someone in game or here on the forum
Someone who struggles,
Someone who picks up EVERY sigil they can,
Someone who assigns as many CP as they can,
Someone who wears the best gear they can,
Someone who spends days of even weeks getting a clear
Someone who dies a thousand times, but keeps going until they complete it

my 1st ever complete 5 months ago took me 4 days, i can now do it on 6 different characters all in around in 1:30 min - i am not the best but i am proof that you do not need to be the best to complete the content!

Exactly this, I had my first clear 2 months ago, died a at least 200 times in stage 7 boss, 100 more times on the last boss.
I watched Deltia's and Alcast guide videos, asked for help from guild mates who already did it, (hell most of them got Flawless back in the day when OP set didn't even existed and they did flawless with 2H and Bloodspawn).
And now here I am with usually 40 min runs but only because now I somehow remember what to kill first and where is it spawns

Qbiken · May 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

1. What is your CP? Probably near 600
2. What is your gear? Probably gold and with BIS items and sets
3. You are using TWO mandatory skills for staminers that can be got only via Alliance war and you are really need to spent lot of time for this
4. Using selfheal spears is meh in case "show possibility of content'
5. Posting pre-patch videos is meh - your stamina just always at ~80% even if you are spamming Vigor, Caltrops and dodgerolls.
6. Everyone knows, that ESO on consoles is easier

TLDR: If some content requires from player all of this: Close to max CP and successful set and BIS gear and max quality gear and investing hours in Cyrodiil and right class and learning always the same templates of monster spawn, then, I would say: that content is poorly designed.

1: Unless you´re below cp300, (which is what vMSA is "scaled for ") CP is nothing you can "blame on"
2: Gear has more importance than CP, but still not as big impact on vMSA compared to experiance and knowledge about mechanics. I´ve seen people disable all their CP going "naked" (only jewels and weapons) and getting Flawless runs in VMA.
To rank what is most importan in vmsa: 1 = Knowledge of mechanics, 2 = gear, 3 = CP

3: Vigor and Caltrops can be unlocked with 1-3 hours of efficiant PvP so that´s no excuse, don´t need to be grand overlord to get those
4: No comment on this one (nothing sarcastic, just no opinion about this)
5: True that it´s easier pre-morrowind, but since it´s on console what´s he/she´s supposed to upload?? And with VO the difference is not that big
6: Any proof/facts to support this??

NoMoreChillies · May 2017

not everybody has <100ping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVr8S1c1eps

Volrion · May 2017

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

Where in the world do you play from? Unless you're at least an above average player, you're going to have a really hard time on VMA if you're not playing from America on NA server. I can't speak for EU players, but I know it's a huge problem for guys trying to do end-game from Asia on NA server.

In my opinion, average (or worse) skilled players have very little chance of getting a clear under these conditions.

I've cleared VMA without even paying attention when playing from Florida. When I tried it from Japan (with a better internet connection) it was a different story all together. Still got it done, but the lag is terrible and it's not enjoyable at all.

I run a 100mb connection here in Osaka and just a standard ping to Texas is about 400ms. That's before you start spiking with all the bugs, server load etc. in ESO. It's brutal man.

VMA, Vet Trials, and PVP are held behind the gate keeper of connectivity for most players.

Thanks for this post man. I run 300-330 ping from Australia and I can get vma done with 4ish deaths pre morrow wind. I thought flawless was attainable, not so sure now (maybe if rng lined up lol). Now its definitely harder with regen and lag seems worse. I've given up raiding due to lag and the burden on my raid groups. I'll still go into vma but it aint fun. I'd settle for a ping in the 200's.

I'm in the same boat, mate. Playing from Japan, I don't do Veteran Raids because I don't want to let my team down.

Frequently used terms I hear when raiding with Americans; "Bunch up here guys" "Overchargers on the right" "Nice work" etc.

Frequently used terms I hear raiding with Aussies; "Hold on guys, I'm lagging out" "Sorry guys, this is unplayable right now" "Oh, I think ______ just DC'd again" "Just do your rotation man, you'll still do damage, even though you cant see it..." etc. lol

Anyone who can get Flawless playing from Australia is a god!

bebynnag · May 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

1. What is your CP? Probably near 600
2. What is your gear? Probably gold and with BIS items and sets
3. You are using TWO mandatory skills for staminers that can be got only via Alliance war and you are really need to spent lot of time for this
4. Using selfheal spears is meh in case "show possibility of content'
5. Posting pre-patch videos is meh - your stamina just always at ~80% even if you are spamming Vigor, Caltrops and dodgerolls.
6. Everyone knows, that ESO on consoles is easier

TLDR: If some content requires from player all of this: Close to max CP and successful set and BIS gear and max quality gear and investing hours in Cyrodiil and right class and learning always the same templates of monster spawn, then, I would say: that content is poorly designed.

HA! what on earth has given you this impression?

bebynnag · May 2017

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

not everybody has <100ping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVr8S1c1eps

this is so my experience of the game!

Avran_Sylt · May 2017

If the RNG system wasn't the same as any old trial, I think people may enjoy the difficulty a little bit more. Currently it's the same grindy arse thing, but now you get to do it solo and without anyone to talk to. I understand that it's difficult, and I want it to stay that way, but for being solo content on an MMO the grind should likely be less than it currently is for a specific weapon (not trait).

I got lucky as hell and got my daggers on the first couple of runs, as well as an inferno staff. So i just casually run vMA whenever I want to and it's enjoyable.

Glamdring · May 2017

Geez what a ego thread.....

Olupajmibanan · May 2017

VMA has and ever had only one problem and that is the loot system.

The difficulty is completely fine - it's a trial after all, the hardest content in the game.

Makato · May 2017

Takes a bit of practice .. first clear is hard , second time easy , the more you do it the easier it gets , just play something that suits your play style get some decent gear and get in to vMA just to discover you will never get what you want and you wasted hours of time for a decisive mace

themotherconfessor25 · May 2017

i've only cleared vMA 3 times and it's still kind of hard for me. i think this thread was meant to flex. vma is all mechanics so once you completely understand them, then yeah it gets easier.

whoever said we haven't had new weps in a minute and suggested a 2 man arena, though. mvp.

GlorphNoldorin · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

not everybody has <100ping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVr8S1c1eps

this is so my experience of the game!

lol.....exactly what I see, respect for going stam/melee with that ping

boldscot · May 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Stage 5, stamina templar, 11k life.
https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

1. What is your CP? Probably near 600
2. What is your gear? Probably gold and with BIS items and sets
3. You are using TWO mandatory skills for staminers that can be got only via Alliance war and you are really need to spent lot of time for this
4. Using selfheal spears is meh in case "show possibility of content'
5. Posting pre-patch videos is meh - your stamina just always at ~80% even if you are spamming Vigor, Caltrops and dodgerolls.
6. Everyone knows, that ESO on consoles is easier

TLDR: If some content requires from player all of this: Close to max CP and successful set and BIS gear and max quality gear and investing hours in Cyrodiil and right class and learning always the same templates of monster spawn, then, I would say: that content is poorly designed.

HA! what on earth has given you this impression?

I think it's because we have access to all these add ons that.......oh wait.

Flameheart · May 2017

Sorc build with 2 pets and shield. Start heavy attacking with your lightning staff in stage 1, try to wake up in stage 9 for looting the chest.

Leogon · May 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

If I can do it like this those scrubs best believe they can do it on a mag sorc with like 30k life (inckluding shield) and a freaking pet. They have no excuse except lack of effort.

Erm... How about the lack of incentive?

I passed all Craglorn vet Trials, currently in the vMoL progression group. I adore group-play, it's hella fun to run vAA with talking and joking, hella fun to PUG on my all three chars - magsorc, templar healer, tiny magdk - just for the sheer lolz and helping newbies (communicating first-timers in nRoM? GLORIOUS DAY!).

When the hell almost freezes, I go to vMA. I make it through first arena. Sometimes - through second. But only sometimes.

Because I very quickly start having a feeling that I... how can I put it... "playing with myself" instead of having actual sex.

I stand there and ask myself, 'Why am I here? Why should I make it through this boring fest alone? For the... slim chance to get +2k dps? Really? For the slimmest chance?'

Then I walk into the first red circle. Revive at wayshrine. And get out. Some time after I abandon the quest because I need a quest-slot.

Then people like you start trolling me, 'lololol, n00b, where is your Stormproof title, lol'.

I go to vMA. I make it through first arena. Sometimes - through second. But only sometimes...

...And the wheel of Samsara turns again.

Funniest thing. Sometimes I die on the first arena. I know it very well by now. But I die, because... I just can't bring myself to pay enough attention. Can't make myself care about it. This place makes me cringe. I hate it. So I slip. On the easiest things.

I don't give up on that point. It just feels kinda embarrassing. But these runs are runs when I give up straight on second arena.

It sounds like you can't do anything on your own and by that I mean you need a group to heal you, buff you, etc. and your excuse is "I die because I find it boring". That's what I got from your comment. Prove me wrong.

Giatuareg · May 2017

Stop Subscription is the only thing they will listen.

Aisle9 · May 2017

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

not everybody has <100ping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVr8S1c1eps

I'll never complain again about lag, promise.

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Why are ppl still crying about VMA? Really it's been out for how long now? People have builds out to where you can beat it with ZERO CP now it's easy once you L2P it ya the first few times are hard and stage 5 was hell but really after you look at your death recap 100 times since you keep getting killed then maybe just maybe I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that you should kill what's killing you first weather it be adds or just focus on the boss. Maybe don't stand in the big red dots or maybe when you get poison on you in the poison round then jump in 1 of the 2 big green pools. So what I would love to know from zos is when will you make it harder? If people want a token system and want to make maelstrom weapons BOE cool but make it harder and I would be fine with running it over just to make some extra gold that would be nice

Cool story bro.

Also, the loot system is awesome, you can get a sharpened weapon in no time.

And the shield enchantment is so OP, BiS.

Bam_Bam · May 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nobody thinks vMA is hard. The problem is the RNG. It can take over 1000 runs to get the weapon you need.

I think its hard. I think its also complete and utter gash. but hey-*** different strokes for different folks. meanwhile......

FIX CYRODIIL!!!!!

Barbara73 · May 2017

What the hell is VMA? LoL

A useful post would be a ESO acronym dictionary for use nOObs that have played for a year and still don't know them all.