[Eclipse Skill] Magicka Classes in Cyro are just...

Gorrest · May 2017

Just watch the video its so sad.(Hopefully it gets embeded, sorry if its not.)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qjgnuACkyBc

Okay what are we seeing here, other than the chains CC?
Eclipse is the issue that the video is showing.

-How regular Eclipse works

1. When you activate a projectile you will get hit
2. You get CC Immunity when its over
3. Now with the recent change, you cant CC break it

-How Guard Eclipse works
1. Ever since Eclipse first got changed, Guard's Eclipse remained what it use to be. If you were to you used a Magicka Skill, you will be damaged by it.(Can post video if you don't believe this.)
2. You don't get CC Immunity when its over
3. Now with the recent change, you cant CC break it

-What it causes
This change made it Impossible for players who use Magicka costing skills to actually damage guard resulting in their death. Guards now will spam Eclipse within in of being off the target for roughly 1-2 seconds. This means Magicka Classes only have 1-2 seconds to kills a guard while protecting themselves to kill a guard. Which is now impossible because you need to build for more sustain than before.

-How to fix this
1. Make guards not use Eclipse.(Fastest change)
2. Or you can make both forms reliable, in which Guard's Eclipse gives CC Immunity when it ends. With the addition of only reflecting projecticles.

WhiteMage · May 2017

HA! The thing about them not nerfing the NPC skills with players has finally caught up with them. Lucky for me, jabs isn't reflected, but seriously ZOS, nerf those npcs.

Minalan · May 2017

Have fun taking a resource solo now. Magicka people are going to have to lean on non-reflectable skills like force pulse, lightning/resto heavy attacks, and curse.

danno8 · May 2017

First off, go in the tower and take out the guard and the couple other stragglers that follow you.

Second, don't you just use Wings to reflect all those projectiles as a DK?

Third, not sure about this, but are things like Whip still reflected in this new version that the NPC's get? Their version has always been different than the Templar version, and has seemingly just kept getting more good stuff added to it as the devs change the Templar version.

Oh you forgot the third option, make the skill reflect stamina abilities too.

Gorrest · May 2017

danno8 wrote: »

First off, go in the tower and take out the guard and the couple other stragglers that follow you.

Second, don't you just use Wings to reflect all those projectiles as a DK?

Third, not sure about this, but are things like Whip still reflected in this new version that the NPC's get? Their version has always been different than the Templar version, and has seemingly just kept getting more good stuff added to it as the devs change the Templar version.

Oh you forgot the third option, make the skill reflect stamina abilities too.

Yes, I could take out the Mage Guard and the Stagglers. However, the wings tip wont work as it will reflect it back to you as it counts as Magicka Damage. So I still wont be able to kill the 4 guards on the flag. But yes, any Magicka Cost skill(Minus Channels). So Whip, Proxy, Impulse, Talons, Conceal Weapon, Deep Breath, Wall of Elements(Which is funny) will be reflected.

danno8 · May 2017

Gorrest wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

First off, go in the tower and take out the guard and the couple other stragglers that follow you.

Second, don't you just use Wings to reflect all those projectiles as a DK?

Third, not sure about this, but are things like Whip still reflected in this new version that the NPC's get? Their version has always been different than the Templar version, and has seemingly just kept getting more good stuff added to it as the devs change the Templar version.

Oh you forgot the third option, make the skill reflect stamina abilities too.

Yes, I could take out the Mage Guard and the Stagglers. However, the wings tip wont work as it will reflect it back to you as it counts as Magicka Damage. So I still wont be able to kill the 4 guards on the flag. But yes, any Magicka Cost skill(Minus Channels). So Whip, Proxy, Impulse, Talons, Conceal Weapon, Deep Breath, Wall of Elements(Which is funny) will be reflected.

Hold on, are you saying that the old "Double Reflect" effect that ZoS eliminated back over a year ago still exists somehow with this?

I'm gonna have to go test some of this now. Hard to believe the WoE, Impulse and Deep Breath. That's flat out wrong (as in not suppose to happen) since Eclipse NEVER reflected AoE's except for the awesome Talon reflect which gave DK's the ability to fly across all of Tamriel.

DeHei · May 2017

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Finally that is the only buff for my Templar

I have a purge and can purge this ***

Berenhir · May 2017

DeHei wrote: »

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Finally that is the only buff for my Templar

I have a purge and can purge this ***

They reapply their cheese within one second though. Yesterday I purged six (!!!!!!) NPC eclipses in a row.

White wabbit · May 2017

As others said take the two guards on the front into tower kill them , go up stairs kill Mage up there and then jump down kill last 4

Docmandu · May 2017

Shows again how good ZOS' own testing is... anwyay that's what you get when you disable Cyrodiil on PTS ZOS!

Guards have been PITA for a while.. constant double CC's, sliding CC, lagging around like woah, ... I don't mind guards being strong, but it's like they are playing with Cheat Engine Extreme Edition.

Olen_Mikko · May 2017

L2P issue. Not everything should be as easy as beating a toddler

fred4 · May 2017

Cast Flame Reach, thus CCing yourself. Break free. Eclipse cleared and CC immunity gained.

OdinForge · May 2017

In my eyes it's a tie between current eclipse and only having one cp campaign, for the worst decision by ZOS of this patch reward.

Really enjoying the patch so far otherwise though in pvp, my magnb felt great.

Except when he was at a resource.

Juhasow · May 2017

Pop detnation wait few seconds and thrown meteor on that group under flag. 4 mobs killed in 1st 5 seconds of fight.

Minno · May 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Finally that is the only buff for my Templar

I have a purge and can purge this ***

They reapply their cheese within one second though. Yesterday I purged six (!!!!!!) NPC eclipses in a row.

Use atrash cyro health pot before running in there. You'll be eclipse free for the duration.

Tulach · May 2017

Cyrodill is completely broken. So all the CP changes and the only content in the game for PVP while using all this CP I had to grind and grind and grind to get is on a 30 day campaign. Every other campaign and battleground is non CP.

The guards were super annoying before the patch now they are just plain absurd. Pop any ultimate now and get hit by a guard eclipse even after you fired the ultimate and whatever damage is still going is reflected back to you. The guards also somehow have twice the healing they used to and a huge increase to resists. Lets not even mention that they can still chain negate through walls without even being on the aggro table.

Months and Months of testing by the community and battleground grouping doesn't work. Cant group que for battlegrounds. group window bugged for most of my team the few times the que system actually worked. So ZOS released new content after extensive testing that still doesnt work. Not that Im really surprised. The group que system hasnt worked right since they started that either.

Beyond disappointed can i get my money back?

Sheey · May 2017

Magica dk.

Burning embers, lash, talons are reflectable by eclipse xDDĎDD