Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Volrion

Businesses do studies. They probably determined there would not be enough to support three additional servers and still keep the existing 6 servers with enough players.

I do not see how the comparison with ESO+ subs for EU and NA means anything since our sub is for both servers, only one sub for both, and it only supports what I have said.

A chain usually does not just open locations on a whim. They study it since that location needs to be able to support itself and not take to much away from existing locations. It is business after all you understand based on your reply.

If Zos thought they could do well adding the third group of servers they would for the same reasons.

I wasn't aware the ESO+ carried over, but you are correct.

As for Crown Purchases, they do not. DLC's do not carry over, and you also would have to buy new mounts/cosmetics etc. for each server that you play on.

Considering that ESO's model revolves around a cash shop, I don't see how this wouldn't be a good thing to have another place to bomb our hard earned lol

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Volrion

Businesses do studies. They probably determined there would not be enough to support three additional servers and still keep the existing 6 servers with enough players.

I do not see how the comparison with ESO+ subs for EU and NA means anything since our sub is for both servers, only one sub for both, and it only supports what I have said.

A chain usually does not just open locations on a whim. They study it since that location needs to be able to support itself and not take to much away from existing locations. It is business after all you understand based on your reply.

If Zos thought they could do well adding the third group of servers they would for the same reasons.

Do you think an Asian server is economic or political? I know companies have a hard time getting servers set up in Australia, for example.

Economic. I see no reason for it to be political. There are probably many places they could place it without having to change the game. I am unaware of reasons that putting a server in AUS would be an issue.

You may be better informed than I am, but I do recall an issue perhaps with WOW back in the day. Australian government blocked servers/sale of the game for a time.

As for it being an economic decision, the data doesn't really represent the narrative for Asian/Oceana players anyway.

Many players on our side of the world won't even bother picking up a game if the servers are in NA or EU.

I travel a lot with work, and if I'm living in a location with poor internet, I simply won't even bother buying certain games because I know I won't be able to play competitively.

I personally tried to pitch the games to friends here in Japan and back home in Australia when I first started played in 2015 and most of my friends (Who are MMO and Elder Scrolls fans) refused to buy the game because was no local server for us to play on.

The people who could benefit most from an Asian server, they're not going to show up in ZOS's data pool.

As you stated AUS blocked the sale of the game in AUS. It had to do with the game itself, probably because MMOs were still in their infancy even though MMOs had been around for a bit.

I am aware of the ping distant areas get. I play with people from Japan to AUS and areas of EU. 250 to 350 and that is if there are no issues. Of course some areas with bad internet one would have a bad ping if the server was in the next town. I have gamed for a decade with players on all continents.

Step back and think about it for a moment. Why would Zos, a business who's sole purpose is to make a profit, not have an oceanic server? There is no reason other than they do not expect enough business to support three more server groups and still have a keep the six NA and EU servers healthy.

It is better to have 6 healthy servers than 9 that do not bring the profits in. Business decisions, good ones, are not made on emotions. Oh, and there is the matter that many Asian and EU players would not migrate to an oceanic server. They are playing with people in EU and NA. Not all, but a good portion of them.

I agree it's all about money. I understand business. I'm not making my comments from an emotional stand point. I don't need to take a step back, I totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree with your stance.

With that said you haven't provided any more data or information than I have as to whether it would be a good move or not.

Nobody has, so were just left to speculate.

That's my point.

Despite many requests from the current (and former) customer base over the years, there has never been a statement from ZOS as to why there isn't one, or if they have any plans to introduce one.

9 servers may be better than 6, and vice versa. Nobody can accurately estimate with the current data.

We don't have an accurate data pool to forecast from, because they've never offered the game to the Asian market in a way that would attract new players.



To say that ZOS, has made well informed business decisions is laughable. They went from "millions sold" to F2P, to a couple of thousand active players and most of the Oceanic and Asia player base dwindling to nothing.

The player base used to be huge. I assume you've been here a while and have seen it all happen before your eyes.

There has been mass exodus after mass exodus.

Most of the population and the best and most well known players have moved on purely because of ZOS' inability to understand it's player base!

As I write this, I'm not even an active player myself. (Still lurk the forums while I'm at work... Old habits die hard I guess.)



All that aside, all the nerfs and buffs and removal of veteran ranks and CP in PVP etc. all happened because people in the forums kept the conversation alive until ZOS were forced to act.

I know were a small portion of the community, but if posting in here once or twice a week on the back of someone else's thread helps our cause, I don't mind contributing.

Phinix1 wrote: »

NA = Nominally Asian

Gargath wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

I finished all the end game in PVE and it was a good ride, but I can't really PVP without getting frustrated by the performance issues playing from so far away.

Just FYI I live about 700 kilometers from the German server and also "can't really PVP without getting frustrated by the performance issues", so apparently it's not the distance from server that matter the most .

Isn't the European server in America also? I don't know it as fact, but I've read that many times from others.

Asia is too large to really be grouped in comfortably, but in most cases, you'll probably want NA, particularly if you're drifting towards the eastern or southern parts. My latency to NA is around 250, give or take. EU is 300 or more.

It's okay for most PvE, but the last few months have been inconsistent, and a number of Asian players have been complaining about their connections getting worse generally or getting intermittent lag spikes, especially since Homestead. As others have said, PvP is going to be a mess.

Also be prepared for Support to basically ignore you if you have any connection issues. I submitted a ticket and was told living in Asia was my problem and they couldn't guarantee good performance, even if the game is sold here at North American prices. Nice to be appreciated like that.

The login server I believe is still in NA but that's fine. People tracing the route finding hops in North Carolina and stuff.

theslynx wrote: »

Asia is too large to really be grouped in comfortably, but in most cases, you'll probably want NA, particularly if you're drifting towards the eastern or southern parts. My latency to NA is around 250, give or take. EU is 300 or more.

It's okay for most PvE, but the last few months have been inconsistent, and a number of Asian players have been complaining about their connections getting worse generally or getting intermittent lag spikes, especially since Homestead. As others have said, PvP is going to be a mess.

Also be prepared for Support to basically ignore you if you have any connection issues. I submitted a ticket and was told living in Asia was my problem and they couldn't guarantee good performance, even if the game is sold here at North American prices. Nice to be appreciated like that.

Wow you received a reply? That was nice of them. I've sent countless tickets over the years and never received any feedback.

It's poor form that they offer the game at the same price, but elite end game and PVP are basically impossible for us because they don't offer any support.

Ah well, Overwatch has taken me now anyway, and Destiny will do the same in a couple of months.