Battlegrounds need fixing, here are my thoughts and video

inali · May 2017

Hey guys,

I was pretty salty when I q'd up for BG with my lvl 10 warden only to see that there are 0 level brackets in the BG system. This needs to be fixed asap. I would like to see brackets every 10 levels like every other PvP battleground/scenario game has done. Rift and warhammer online are great examples, I'm sure WoW has one too but haven't played in many years.

there AT LEAST has to be a 10-30, 30-50 and why not add a cp BG with brackets 1-300, 300-600. I'm sure more experienced ESO PvPers would know a better or best range for the different brackets.

There also doesn't seem to be any type of matchmaking system even trying to put similar levels together. For those that think there won't be people in the lower tiers q'ing take a look at Rift and the now dead Warhammer online. There were always people in lower tier PvP BG's even a long time after release and they didn't use a mega server.

Please share this video and try to get Zenimax to fix these problems. It's an easy thing to fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xruZhZZVJg

Derra · May 2017

Everyone told them.

tinythinker · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Everyone told them.

Repeatedly and emphatically.

Dreyloch · May 2017

I'm sorry... but after about 2 minutes I couldn't listen to you drone on about a bracket system.

First off, it doesn't matter what CP level anyone is...because they are turned off... in BG's. Secondly, I'm pretty sure there is battle leveling turned on as well. Which means your damage and stats are adjusted higher to compensate your lack of actual levels.

The only thing you could argue about is the lack of gear you might have against some of the higher CP players. In which I fully agree and understand that being fustrating for you. It's not going to be an even fight when ZoS' decided to allow PvE proc sets and poisons into BG's. CP's do not and should not matter. The system is by far in no way perfect. I fully agree there, and like you, I started a warden as well. But I'll be damned if I would ever step foot into a BG with him until he's max level.

One option ZoS could try is making a "non-cp under level 50" Bracket/version of BG's. Just like they have with the Blackwater blade server for Cyrodiil. It's about the only thing that might work as a band-aid till they balance it out more.

geonsocal · May 2017

oh man, dying that much must have really sucked and been depressing...

note to self - don't bring a low level character into small scale pvp

Baconlad · May 2017

Get purple gear go into bg, and have more stats than everyone else! Haha

tinythinker · May 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Get purple gear go into bg, and have more stats than everyone else! Haha

And at levels 10-30 miss out on lots of skills, morphs, and passives. Not to mention new players with low level characters can't craft purple gear.

Sallington · May 2017

There should be 3 BG queues.

10-49

50

Premade

That's all.

inali · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Everyone told them.

tinythinker wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Everyone told them.

Repeatedly and emphatically.

I figured and hoped they would

sorry they didn't listen. I would have tested CB but I was catching up to 160cp.

Dreyloch wrote: »

I'm sorry... but after about 2 minutes I couldn't listen to you drone on about a bracket system.

Rude, didn't read.

Let's take a look at the most successful mmorpgs with Bgs and the funnest Bgs.

World of Warcraft

Brackets
One of the main ways of ensuring some measure of balance in battlegrounds is the use of brackets. Each battleground instance is designed for players within a 5 level range, with the top-most bracket admitting only max-level players. Brackets are automatically selected for the player based on their level, and gaining a level while queuing for a battleground will cause the player to leave the queue. It is however possible for players to gain levels while inside battlegrounds.

Players level-capped due to not having the next expansion, and those who have chosen to turn off experience gains through speaking to Behsten or Slahtz, will be placed together in separate brackets to other players.

Matchmaking
Battleground teams are assembled from a large group of players, with a number of matchmaking criteria to make the match as fair and balanced as possible. However, judging the skill and ability of players is extremely difficult, and while the system is designed to create exciting, close games, in practice there will always be some games where one team is significantly superior to the other. In addition, the benefits of an extensive matchmaking process must be balanced against the resulting queue length.

Rift and Warhammer Online
To this day or till it's death, lower level bgs were one of the funnest parts about these games. People love being able to level solely off of PvP battlegrounds. Both game were bracketed.

The under 50 campaigns can get away with it because you can at least be somewhat useful in warbands or zergs. Still it definitely isn't ideal and would be much more fun if done correctly. These are reasons why ESO has lost most of it's hardcore PvP players to other games.

Add a t1, t2, t3, t4, t5 and CP BG Queue and it will be fun for everyone of all levels. Make the tiers scaled and add decent xp as well and it would be even better. Which would also grow the customer base. It's a really easy thing to fix.

@TESOnline

lunalitetempler · May 2017

Its not other peoples fault your lvl 10? Seriously you shouldn't even go in there till you have more than 2 skills just wow lol !

tinythinker · May 2017

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Its not other peoples fault your lvl 10? Seriously you shouldn't even go in there till you have more than 2 skills just wow lol !

Except ZOS allows/encourages people to the BGs from level 10 onward, so yes, people should go in there and expect it to work/be competitive.

eserras7b16_ESO · May 2017

inali wrote: »

Hey guys,

I was pretty salty when I q'd up for BG with my lvl 10 warden only to see that there are 0 level brackets in the BG system. This needs to be fixed asap. I would like to see brackets every 10 levels like every other PvP battleground/scenario game has done. Rift and warhammer online are great examples, I'm sure WoW has one too but haven't played in many years.

there AT LEAST has to be a 10-30, 30-50 and why not add a cp BG with brackets 1-300, 300-600. I'm sure more experienced ESO PvPers would know a better or best range for the different brackets.

There also doesn't seem to be any type of matchmaking system even trying to put similar levels together. For those that think there won't be people in the lower tiers q'ing take a look at Rift and the now dead Warhammer online. There were always people in lower tier PvP BG's even a long time after release and they didn't use a mega server.

Please share this video and try to get Zenimax to fix these problems. It's an easy thing to fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xruZhZZVJg

The problem is the first impression players get like you, nobody explains you how everything works wich leads to not understanding how the game works at all. So you have all the right to do the video and explain yourself I think Zenimax should look carefully at it and learn.

Now: You could potentialy be okay in PvP as a non-lvl 50 fighting lvl 50's. Specially at levels 25-49. Obviously at level 10 you lack so many skills, morphs and passives, even if the attributes are high.

By potentialy be okay I mean exactly that but obviously you won't be able to fight guys with legendary, rouded up builds with years of experience above you. Expect any campion 630 beat you using the same character and same build any time. The game has a lot of hidden mechanics like animation canceling, resource management, heavy, medium and light attack weaving wich increase the damage and sustain dramaticaly if used correctly.

It's also important to know that this lvl 630 think doesn't work at all: They're all lvl 50 only they're just more experienced than you. It works on PvE, but those points have no effect on BG's or non champion campain.

Also the theorycraft is really important. Having crafted green sets is actualy pretty damn bad. Better than not having sets but Hundings rage is a bad set for PvP anyway and on green it's perfectly normal that you suck balls. Also, you don't have sets on jewelry (it's hard to get them before 50) but scaling should help you ramp up to the better players. If you gear yourself with Epic armour and enchants, you'll see yourself hitting like a truck.

Hitting like a truck only when you have resources ofc: Light and heavy atacks are NOT supposed to deal damage. When you say on the video that you're hitting like a wet noodle, it's true, but it's because you're out of resources and you're NOT supposed to stay alive when you're done with resources. Getting out of resources means death in any PvP situation and managin them, even for the most experienced players with the best sets is hard at the minute and expect any player to run out of resources eventualy, leading to their death.

I hope I helped a bit, you can join my guild if you want @eptackt in game we are a nice and big social guild we might be able to help you with the experience.

eserras7b16_ESO · May 2017

Oh yeah also, u're not using potions, you're not using poisons, you're not using FOOD BUFFS wich is the main thing like this will increase your resources SO MUCH.

You also need to know that more magicka is more base damage on heals and hits. More stamina is also more base heals and hits on all stamina abilities. So increasing 5k ur stats is HUGE... Posions drain your resources, you can drain the enemy to put pressure on their resources. Also Potions give HUGE boosts like 20% weapon damage equaling to more healing and damage done.

Also u're a stamina build, to have a heal you'll have to unlock vigor on alliance war skill line.

React · May 2017

Lol you can't go into a competitive pvp game mode with NO GRASP of the mechanics of the game and expect a fair fight. It's this way in EVERY game, from mmo to fps and beyond. Youre not using food, you don't understand the mechanics of your class or other people's classes. It takes time to be competitive; so don't come qq on the forums about a bracket system that would be irrelevant and would harm the overall longevity of BGS.

RinaldoGandolphi · May 2017

Please stop

Attacking the OP, ripping apart his build, and just in general ripping him down is not productive.

The so called "noobs" are the ones paying the bills so you have a game to play in the first place. The least we can do is be gracious and show a little bit of common courtesy.

The OP is simply asking for a ranking system to help pair players like him up with players of an equal skill level and that's not too much to ask. Even Age of Empires 2 back in the 90"s had a rating system to pair people up for matches based on ranking system. To keep competition at a similar level.

Simply put the last thing you want is a bunch of premises stomping casuals all the time because they will leave and if they leave your BG are dead and you will be left with no one to que against. So please try to take it easy try to helpful, these casuals are the "future" and will take the place of those who move on...we need to encourage their growth not drive them away

Biro123 · May 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Please stop

Attacking the OP, ripping apart his build, and just in general ripping him down is not productive.

The so called "noobs" are the ones paying the bills so you have a game to play in the first place. The least we can do is be gracious and show a little bit of common courtesy.

The OP is simply asking for a ranking system to help pair players like him up with players of an equal skill level and that's not too much to ask. Even Age of Empires 2 back in the 90"s had a rating system to pair people up for matches based on ranking system. To keep competition at a similar level.

Simply put the last thing you want is a bunch of premises stomping casuals all the time because they will leave and if they leave your BG are dead and you will be left with no one to que against. So please try to take it easy try to helpful, these casuals are the "future" and will take the place of those who move on...we need to encourage their growth not drive them away

Couldn't agree more. I'll also add that low-level *shouldn't* have optimised builds. I remember when 'twinks' was a dirty word in mmo's - now it seems like its expected or you get bashed? Seriously?

You SHOULD be able to put a sub-50, poorly geared, badly fed character into BG's and have fun with other equivalent characters and NOT hit a wall of fully built, fully twinked premades. Not sub-50.

I mean let me put it into context.. I'm an experienced PVPer. used to the CP campaigns with over 600CP's ALL earned in that CP campaign. I'm using very well thought out builds with top-end gear.

I'm now playing morrowind with a new warden (level 11). I'm enjoying the questing and exploration (like a new player would). I didn't want to go around 1-shotting everything, so I havn't spent any CP's, havn't crafted any gear or made any kind of 'build'. I'm just using what has dropped (like any new player would). The difficulty level is right - and I'm enjoying it.
Now I *should* be able to take that character into a BG and have fun with similar opposition. If sub-50 bg's were a thing, I don't want to have to make a 'twink' just to play them. If I was gonna make a proper build, it'd be for a level 50.

inali · May 2017

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Its not other peoples fault your lvl 10? Seriously you shouldn't even go in there till you have more than 2 skills just wow lol !

You don't get it.

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol you can't go into a competitive pvp game mode with NO GRASP of the mechanics of the game and expect a fair fight. It's this way in EVERY game, from mmo to fps and beyond. Youre not using food, you don't understand the mechanics of your class or other people's classes. It takes time to be competitive; so don't come qq on the forums about a bracket system that would be irrelevant and would harm the overall longevity of BGS.

No grasp? The mechanics of this game are fairly simple. You think a fair fight is lvl 10 vs 50? I may have returned to the game 3 weeks ago but I'm not a noob bud, this is my alt. And you clearly aren't understanding the problem. I don't understand the mechanics of my 5 warden skills? lul. Please think about things before being insulting.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Please stop

Attacking the OP, ripping apart his build, and just in general ripping him down is not productive.

The so called "noobs" are the ones paying the bills so you have a game to play in the first place. The least we can do is be gracious and show a little bit of common courtesy.

The OP is simply asking for a ranking system to help pair players like him up with players of an equal skill level and that's not too much to ask. Even Age of Empires 2 back in the 90"s had a rating system to pair people up for matches based on ranking system. To keep competition at a similar level.

Simply put the last thing you want is a bunch of premises stomping casuals all the time because they will leave and if they leave your BG are dead and you will be left with no one to que against. So please try to take it easy try to helpful, these casuals are the "future" and will take the place of those who move on...we need to encourage their growth not drive them away

My build is a level 10 with decent damn gear for a lvl 10 trying to have fun pvping. Nice, saying not to attack me and passively calling me a noob. I'm asking for a level tier system for bgs, not a ranking system, although that is also needed. Let's work on one thing at a time. Because without it this game looks very amateur in a PvP players eyes. I'm trying to help the game be successful. Everyone I know that is a good experienced PvP player with years of experience facepalms when I tell them about the way it is currently.

Biro123 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Please stop

Attacking the OP, ripping apart his build, and just in general ripping him down is not productive.

The so called "noobs" are the ones paying the bills so you have a game to play in the first place. The least we can do is be gracious and show a little bit of common courtesy.

The OP is simply asking for a ranking system to help pair players like him up with players of an equal skill level and that's not too much to ask. Even Age of Empires 2 back in the 90"s had a rating system to pair people up for matches based on ranking system. To keep competition at a similar level.

Simply put the last thing you want is a bunch of premises stomping casuals all the time because they will leave and if they leave your BG are dead and you will be left with no one to que against. So please try to take it easy try to helpful, these casuals are the "future" and will take the place of those who move on...we need to encourage their growth not drive them away

Couldn't agree more. I'll also add that low-level *shouldn't* have optimised builds. I remember when 'twinks' was a dirty word in mmo's - now it seems like its expected or you get bashed? Seriously?

You SHOULD be able to put a sub-50, poorly geared, badly fed character into BG's and have fun with other equivalent characters and NOT hit a wall of fully built, fully twinked premades. Not sub-50.

I mean let me put it into context.. I'm an experienced PVPer. used to the CP campaigns with over 600CP's ALL earned in that CP campaign. I'm using very well thought out builds with top-end gear.

I'm now playing morrowind with a new warden (level 11). I'm enjoying the questing and exploration (like a new player would). I didn't want to go around 1-shotting everything, so I havn't spent any CP's, havn't crafted any gear or made any kind of 'build'. I'm just using what has dropped (like any new player would). The difficulty level is right - and I'm enjoying it.
Now I *should* be able to take that character into a BG and have fun with similar opposition. If sub-50 bg's were a thing, I don't want to have to make a 'twink' just to play them. If I was gonna make a proper build, it'd be for a level 50.

He gets it.