Nightblades require a Stamina morph for Shadow Cloak

ShadowHvo · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

No? I'm a Stamina Nightblade, and I love that it costs Magicka.

Shadow Cloak is one of the supreme abilities for a Stamina Nightblade, as it allows us to use and spend our Magicka valueably, without -any- losses of DPS or effectiveness.

Elvenpath · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

No, as a magicka nightblade main, we can't block many stuff, we only can roll dodge 2 - 3 times. We should play smart to use our stamina effectively. So how about you use your cloak smarter instead of whine about for stamina morph?

caperon · May 2017

ccfeeling wrote: »

To be honest , just leave it , number tells fact , there is no spot for stamblade in PVE .
SB is not design for end game content , solo is fine but this is MMO rofl.

Thats not true. My group (2nd group in complete vHoF) has a mag Nb and a stam Nb as dps. Actually, the stamblade is pulling the best single target dps of the group. Many things changed with Morrowind, people has not.

Dracindo · May 2017

I don't think that's needed. The stamblade can be stronger, and can use shadowy disguise for a guaranteed critical hit.

As a stamblade, I can use shadowy disguise 2-4 times before running out of magicka. For escaping dangerous PvE battles, it's good enough. And with the guaranteed critical hit, it's a great way of starting a gank.

Also, we might be stamblades, but we do have a magicka bar. Might as well use it for something. I don't want to pre-buff myself only to enter battle without any stamina left. Even a stamblade can make good use of Magicka skills.

Makato · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

I want stamina BoL and crystal frags...

not gonna happen tho

makreth · May 2017

Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloak

vpy wrote: »

Thieves are stealthy folks who rely on close hand weapons , finish their targets and run fast.

That is the gist

The problem here is Stamina NB who are the closest approx to Thief in ESO have no perma stealth

Stamina NB stealth last for few seconds and they can spam it for few more times before running out of Magicka

OTOH Magicka NB who are essentially casters are able to cloak themselves indefinitely...

Does it make sense ?

I am not asking Magicka NB to be stripped of their "indefinite cloaking" rather I want a stamina morph to be given for Stamina NB

I was actually thinking of this yesterday and stamblade didn't make much sense to me with the passives from stealth bonuses that they have if they are limited to 2 or 3 tops shadow cloaks. The gameplay doesn''t feel as where it should be, just like a generic stam character.

Then again, it's nice to have some...utility abilities magicka based to take off the weight from your stam pool...you know...you need it for dodging,blocking,damage for.....almost everything!

In the end, I really don't know. The freedom of choice would be a nice idea though.

Khenarthi · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

The way I see it, magNB does not have the benefit to stealth movement the stamina players of all classes have (medium armour passives, etc) and this is offset by being able to cloak more often, so it feels fair. That said, if stamNB gets a free buff in the form of another stamina morph, it will be welcome.

* I have NB of both types, and don't feel the need to use cloak on the stamina ones. With the right gear they are almost undetectable anyway.

Violynne · May 2017

EVERY spell needs a stamina morph.

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

I got 1500 magicka regen on my stam blade. I can basically perma. Stamina Cloak would mean i have nothing to spend magicka on.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · May 2017

vpy wrote: »

Thieves are stealthy folks who rely on close hand weapons , finish their targets and run fast.

NB's are assassins......Thieves just steal stuff and often use a bow, so when they roll dodge they get a speed buff to help them flee.

My magBlade can just about perma stealth in PvP gear but in full PvE dps gear I have no chance.

A stam morph of cloak would do nothing for end game PvE, might help with regular PvE like your Dark Brotherhood or Thieves guild dallies but nothing beyond that.

I don't even use cloak on my stamBlade in PvP because I don't need it and I could never use it as well as the players that hit like a truck while being totally untouchable.

danno8 · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Violynne wrote: »

EVERY spell needs a stamina morph.

Why even have Magicka/Stamina divide if every skill in the game is just a copy of each other using a different resource?

It's like no one even thinks about what Stamina and Magicka are suppose to be thematically.

F7sus4 · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

If Dark Cloak ever costed Stamina and not Magicka then complaint about Stamina being spent on blocking, dodging, breaking free, sprinting and skills, while Magicka being spent only on skills, would become (more and more) valid.

At the moment we have asymmetric solution where Stamina users have Magicka as a dump/utility stat for limited use of utility skills/spells - that's fine. Magicka users don't have dump stat but they still use Stamina for (limited use of) movement actions (dodge, block etc.). Deal for deal.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

Violynne wrote: »

EVERY spell needs a stamina morph.

Only if all weapons get magika morphs.

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It does seem like the balance is supposed to be that Magblades can use cloak spell more, while Stamblades get most of the sneak bonuses (perks, armor sets, etc).

makreth · May 2017

Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloak

Khenarthi wrote: »

The way I see it, magNB does not have the benefit to stealth movement the stamina players of all classes have (medium armour passives, etc) and this is offset by being able to cloak more often, so it feels fair. That said, if stamNB gets a free buff in the form of another stamina morph, it will be welcome.

* I have NB of both types, and don't feel the need to use cloak on the stamina ones. With the right gear they are almost undetectable anyway.

We aren't talking about sneak which is a totally different category. We are talking about shadow cloak (invisibility). Armor racials have no impact on this unless you count for light armor bonuses which boost magicka spec route (cloak= magicka ability).

Finally, sneak reduction is out there in legerdemain skil lline, also in cps. It a matter of your choice if you want to put skills in there but why not? In addition, the magicka morph of concealed weapon provides movement bonus both in sneak and stealth which is a magicka morph, yet for many builds this is waste of an ability slot since it's a melee range ability. (it's discussed in other threads why maybe this should be attached to the basic ability and compensate the morph with something else interesting).

Medium armor gives bonuses to sneak detection which aren't really that crucial anymore. If someone comes close to you, you=magblade, you can click shadow cloak and that's not a big deal for you. (in case you wanna remain hidden in sneak mode)

Fallen_Ray · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

vpy wrote: »

Thieves are stealthy folks who rely on close hand weapons , finish their targets and run fast.

That is the gist

The problem here is Stamina NB who are the closest approx to Thief in ESO have no perma stealth

Stamina NB stealth last for few seconds and they can spam it for few more times before running out of Magicka

OTOH Magicka NB who are essentially casters are able to cloak themselves indefinitely...

Does it make sense ?

I am not asking Magicka NB to be stripped of their "indefinite cloaking" rather I want a stamina morph to be given for Stamina NB

Wouldn't make any sense at all. Looking at the Elder Scrolls lore, the Cloak skill is a derivative of the invisibility spell from previous Elder Scrolls games. A spell from the School of Illusion. Making the Cloak ability, a magick spell, draw energy from stamina, a physical energy resource would make no sense.

Non magick users previous elder scrolls games could only:
Use a scroll, which allows any non magic user to use the spell without meeting the skill requirement
Use invisibility potions

Here in ESO there are no spell scrolls since the game is an MMO but there's potions. That last quite long with the right passives.

The game already has too many magic skills that consume stamina. We don't need that.

Danksta · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

On my stamblade I get 8-10 cloaks. Do you use mag/stam regen drinks. I'm on console so I'm sure I won't get that many when Morrowind drops, but 8-10 cloaks is ridiculous.

Miruku · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

No and here is why:

Stamblades greatly benefit from their magicka utlility skills most stamblades will slot 2-3 on their bars mainly Cloak, Fear And Shadow Image/RelentlessFocus/Siphon. Making a stamina morph of one of these will either eliminate one of the 2 morphs

Crit Cloak: Crit heals mainly used by stamblades to compensate for their lack of heals.

Minor Protection cloak: 8% Less damage for those using it on magicka nightblades to make up their trashy survive-ability outside of their shields.

Making a stamina morph will completely gut one of the 2 morphs rendering a already decent/op class. (Stamblade yes i am a stamblade main i can say that) Or take away what little magicka NBs have left to cling onto inregards to PVP survive-ability and tankability which they currently have very little of outside of 1V1s.

Making a stam morph of cloak would also utterly destroy what stamblades have used to escape from getting away from big choo choo trains while re-genning stamina and allowing them to heal faster due to the 100% crit. It would take away our own way of managing our resources in 1vx scenarios, asking for one makes it seem like you just want to zerg down stamblades etc while they try to cloak and run them self out of resources. So there is no need to make a stamina morph at all both work fine and have their respective place within nightblade.

-Princess Miruku Glorious Stamblade Macroexploiter Extraordinaire

magictucktuck · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

we need a magicka dump. use magicka/stamina recovery food and its a lot of cloaking

PS4_ZeColmeia · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Then sneak should scale off of magicka

Kay1 · May 2017

Nightblades requires a skill that grants them 25-30 seconds of increased resistance.

Nightblades spamming cloak with 4k weapon damage is far from balance.

Avran_Sylt · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Play stamblade religiously. bring it to trials, PvP, everything. And... Here's why I don't think having a stam version of cloak is a good idea:

1.You're turning yourself invisible, how the hell do you do that with muscles?
2.It's nice that I can rely on this always being up since I don't dip into my mag pool to often, can't spam it since I'm full stam specced so it means I have to be smart with how I use it.
3.Keeping it mag means a stam NB would have to go a bit hybrid in order to fully spam this, which is nice, I don't like the current system that heavily benefits full devotion to one resource.
4.It differentiates stam/mag NB playstyles. stam is higher damage close up, but they have to be frugal with when they cloak. mag is a little less damage close up, but they can move themselves around with impunity more often.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Kay1 wrote: »

Nightblades requires a skill that grants them 25-30 seconds of increased resistance.

Nightblades spamming cloak with 4k weapon damage is far from balance.

Invisibility pots, far from a long time pvp player.

A joke by the way

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

How do you go invisible by using stamina.... magic?

^This!^

Stamina Nightblades have perma stealth - sneaking!

Yes & No.

Those are two separate mechanics:
Crouch stealth = mobs can still detect you if you approach too close.
Shadow Cloak = Invisibility - which means that even if you stay right in front of a mob it will not see you until the effect will end - 2.9 sec with nb passive.

So magicka NB, paradoxically is better at "stealth" (passing by, undetected) than stamina. In Crouch stealth you move slower and sooner or later you will run out of stamina (it does not regen while you move in stealth). Magicka NB can stay perma-cloak (re-cast Shadow Cloak before the effect will end) with high enough magicka recover (not that high is actually required to pull it off - magicka regens when invisibility effect is active) and.. they can run while invisible. Furthermore more even if you are going to run out of magicka you can still drink potion and look for a safe spot for a "pit-stop".

Stamina is only better with roll-dodging stuff.

Galwylin · May 2017

Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloak

Juhasow wrote: »

Nb isnt thief in definition. Lore says about Nb more or less this

Nightblades are spell casters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.

So in definition nightblades are using magic to support their abilities to stealthy combat. Also from more in game perspective allowing stamina nb to use stamina based cloak would break ballance.

I have really tried to play that especially while my blade is magicka (he's currently stamina again) and I think the problem is there aren't any spells that last a decent amount of time. Mobility we can call as cloak. But to help with concealment? Close combat? Stealth? I guess cloak in all cases since movement in stealth just drained stamina to about empty. The way I was able to solo a group dungeon was more like a vampire. I drained their health to keep mine up along with a shield. Swallow soul and sap essence (no idea how to solo one as stamina). Not exactly this description. In fact, I think Impale was the only skill that fit the idea for me. A magicka skill that drained magicka as opposed to stamina when moving in stealth would help. I'd be interested in how others make this description work as pure magicka since mine just came off like a poor sorcerer with vampiric tendencies.

Still, I think all of our abilities should have a magicka/stamina morph simply to allow me to choose which I want to use my magicka on. Cloak would be a fine choice. I'd like Impale. But that resource scaled damage doesn't seem to work for that setup. And the way I'd explain it is one version is a spell and the other an actual object. At least that's what first popped into my mind since when I first read it as an actual cloak and not an invisibility spell.

Smmokkee · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Are you kidding me? Do you even stamblade bro?

Makato · May 2017

Hmm...not a good idea

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

In Crouch stealth you move slower and sooner or later you will run out of stamina (it does not regen while you move in stealth).

No one vamp here? i mean that dark stalker passive is amazing on a stamblade ... when i need a *** i press autorun to wherever i wanna go in stealth with a slight detour ofc. and i will come back with losing close to none of my stampool and an empty blatter

with the right passives u can run forever in stealth and even better with ledger main and all those other stealth passives ... you can stealth upon ur preys ass and tickle their *** if u got the right passives...

Tickle before the kill makes ur enemies shiver before they die !