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Nightblades require a Stamina morph for Shadow Cloak
vpy
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Thieves are stealthy folks who rely on close hand weapons , finish their targets and run fast.
That is the gist
The problem here is Stamina NB who are the closest approx to Thief in ESO have no perma stealth
Stamina NB stealth last for few seconds and they can spam it for few more times before running out of Magicka
OTOH Magicka NB who are essentially casters are able to cloak themselves indefinitely...
Does it make sense ?
I am not asking Magicka NB to be stripped of their "indefinite cloaking" rather I want a stamina morph to be given for Stamina NB
Edited by vpy on May 26, 2017 1:25AM That is the gist
The problem here is Stamina NB who are the closest approx to Thief in ESO have no perma stealth
Stamina NB stealth last for few seconds and they can spam it for few more times before running out of Magicka
OTOH Magicka NB who are essentially casters are able to cloak themselves indefinitely...
Does it make sense ?
I am not asking Magicka NB to be stripped of their "indefinite cloaking" rather I want a stamina morph to be given for Stamina NB
Nightblades require a Stamina morph for Shadow Cloak 147 votes
Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloak
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Hmm...not a good idea
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Gave up on NB a while back...idc bro
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SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakHave to agree, 3 times or so for cloak and thats it.Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gave up on NB a while back...idc broGave up on NB a while back...idc bro
To be honest , just leave it , number tells fact , there is no spot for stamblade in PVE .
SB is not design for end game content , solo is fine but this is MMO rofl.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakAs a magicka nb I'm okay with making Dark Cloak the stamina morph.
I'm thinking most stamina nbs take Shadowy Disguise right now for the guaranteed crit. By taking the stamina morph, they would get more cloak time but lose out on that guarantee.
Make Dark Cloak remove snares & roots and I may even use that on my magicka nb.2 -
MakoFore✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloakyeah - but the bigger problem is that the game is turning out to have all class morphs be stamina vs magicka. whats the point? a player would just choose at the beginning and have all their skills chosen for them. this was nothte oringal intention- which was to have different utility between the two morphs. group vs solo, damage vs healing, sustain vs burst, aoe vs single target, etc , etc.
but the fact that weapon damage scales off of max pools breaks so many options . what ZOS need to do is make weapon damage scale off of armour sets, cp or some other value that will free up our choices.1 -
Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not too bad if you prepare for it the right way on a stamina NB. When I need to use cloak a lot on my stamina NB thief, I just wear my thieving gear (5 piece night's silence, 3 piece night terror, random other medium armor) which mostly has magicka enchants, and then switch my food from my usual health+stamina to witchmother's brew. That gives me more than enough cloak ability for thieving, heists and sacraments.
When I want to go back to my damage setup, I just switch my thieving clothes out for the damage ones, and switch my food.
That all said, I wouldn't be against it getting a stamina morph.2 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina nightblades can also supplement their stealth with normal stamina-based sneaking, and this leaves their magicka pool mostly untouched and free for those few casts of cloak. It's no fun being a stamina character that has nothing to dump their magicka for
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Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wouldn't complain if cloak gained a stamina morph, but I have been doing fine without one. Not sure it is really needed.PS4 Pro NA4 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakMy vote reflects the fact I believe every skill should have a magicka and stamina morph. Besides, its it a magic spell or a magic cloak? I doubt it would happen because PvP (not necessarily PvP, I'm just going to start calling anything they won't do PvP.... dungeon finder broke? Can't be fixed due to PvP. See?)1 -
cyx54tc✭✭✭✭i like the spell being magicka but meh...I wouldn't mind if one of morph is stamEdited by cyx54tc on May 26, 2017 3:45AM0
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✭How do you go invisible by using stamina.... magic?
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vpy✭✭✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakHow do you go invisible by using stamina.... magic?
Explain how Sorcs do this
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaNo.
Magblades have cloak as they can maybe dodge roll/break free 2-3 times. therefore they have cloak (which also breaks on a lot of things and has many counters
Stamblades, aka Dodgerollblades have enough stamina to dodge rofl, break free and can use shuffle for snare immunity. If all, magblades should have a similar skill as shuffle but magicka bases. And LA should work as HA on a magblade.
Magblades have to use a frikkin' staff for heals. Stamblades just pop a vigor out of their a55. Yes, we can use swallow soul or sap essence but it's not as effective as a vigor with the many ticks.
Magblades have to cast a spell (sap essence or entropy) to get major sorcery, stamblades just he-man their 2-handed from stealth and get major brutality. Both can use potions I know.
Magblades concealed weapon with a tooltip of 10k hits like a sponge. Surprise attack with 10k insta kills.
There is just a trade off, and a magicka form of cloak is a bad idea for PvP. And for PvE... if you want insta cloak and skip all enemies then roll a magblade or make invisibility potions.
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Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaYou need the stamina to deal damage. Having magicka free to use on cloak.
The issue is that I also want to use Mass hysteria, magelight (yay recent cost reduction), Blur (shuffle is better though), mark target (rare source of major beserk), Shadow image. etc... there is a bunch of other skills you might want to use.
Stamina morph of terror perhaps?, rework of blur to make it actually good?
I think infinite cloak is the advantage of mageblade. It just kind of sucks that being the real shadow mage assassian, has you useing an inferno staff from range instead of upclose with daggers.
In a way I'd just prefer being hybrid was more do able
. Edited by Narvuntien on May 26, 2017 4:39AM0 -
crobarXIII✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaIf built right stamblades could basically perma cloak in homestead, in morrowind you can still cloak enough. Remember mag & stam regen drinks are your friendsPS4-NA-1000+cp
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakThere are other things more important to me but I don't see the harm so why not.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaNo. That would be stupid as F. Capital F. Why would any sNB want to drain stamina needed for sneaking, dodging, using weapon and class offensive abilities and buffs on cloaking? Please, never ever even consider doing this Zos.
OP, seems like you haven't PvPed a lot.2 -
Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow CloakI don't know if the op's idea is the way to go, but we stamNB's definitely need some kindda luvin that's for sure0
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GiuEliN0✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaNo, please no.
Just dont give this idea to ZOS, we all know how it worked with Siphonig Strikes.Beta-tester January 2014
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaThieves are stealthy folks who rely on close hand weapons , finish their targets and run fast.
That is the gist
The problem here is Stamina NB who are the closest approx to Thief in ESO have no perma stealth
Stamina NB stealth last for few seconds and they can spam it for few more times before running out of Magicka
OTOH Magicka NB who are essentially casters are able to cloak themselves indefinitely...
Does it make sense ?
I am not asking Magicka NB to be stripped of their "indefinite cloaking" rather I want a stamina morph to be given for Stamina NB
Nb isnt thief in definition. Lore says about Nb more or less this
Nightblades are spell casters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.
So in definition nightblades are using magic to support their abilities to stealthy combat. Also from more in game perspective allowing stamina nb to use stamina based cloak would break ballance.Edited by Juhasow on May 26, 2017 5:48AM2 -
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✭Hmm...not a good ideaKnootewoot wrote: »No.
Magblades have cloak as they can maybe dodge roll/break free 2-3 times. therefore they have cloak (which also breaks on a lot of things and has many counters
Stamblades, aka Dodgerollblades have enough stamina to dodge rofl, break free and can use shuffle for snare immunity. If all, magblades should have a similar skill as shuffle but magicka bases. And LA should work as HA on a magblade.
Magblades have to use a frikkin' staff for heals. Stamblades just pop a vigor out of their a55. Yes, we can use swallow soul or sap essence but it's not as effective as a vigor with the many ticks.
Magblades have to cast a spell (sap essence or entropy) to get major sorcery, stamblades just he-man their 2-handed from stealth and get major brutality. Both can use potions I know.
Magblades concealed weapon with a tooltip of 10k hits like a sponge. Surprise attack with 10k insta kills.
There is just a trade off, and a magicka form of cloak is a bad idea for PvP. And for PvE... if you want insta cloak and skip all enemies then roll a magblade or make invisibility potions.
This guy here.1 -
Erynyes✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaKnootewoot wrote: »No.
Magblades have cloak as they can maybe dodge roll/break free 2-3 times. therefore they have cloak (which also breaks on a lot of things and has many counters
Stamblades, aka Dodgerollblades have enough stamina to dodge rofl, break free and can use shuffle for snare immunity. If all, magblades should have a similar skill as shuffle but magicka bases. And LA should work as HA on a magblade.
Magblades have to use a frikkin' staff for heals. Stamblades just pop a vigor out of their a55. Yes, we can use swallow soul or sap essence but it's not as effective as a vigor with the many ticks.
Magblades have to cast a spell (sap essence or entropy) to get major sorcery, stamblades just he-man their 2-handed from stealth and get major brutality. Both can use potions I know.
Magblades concealed weapon with a tooltip of 10k hits like a sponge. Surprise attack with 10k insta kills.
There is just a trade off, and a magicka form of cloak is a bad idea for PvP. And for PvE... if you want insta cloak and skip all enemies then roll a magblade or make invisibility potions.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloakthat would be Sweet!
to be able to use stamina would be awesome, i could spec properly and not have to waste it on magicka.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm...not a good idea
^This!^How do you go invisible by using stamina.... magic?
Stamina Nightblades have perma stealth - sneaking!
Sneaking a lot! Sneaking smart so they won't be seen. Sneaking past peoples backs, sneaking through the shadows, sneak, sneak, sneak.
Sneaking up to your targets, if so inclined, and backstabbing them with a woeful blade, then running away fast!
And an invisibility spell for those times when sneak fails you, to get past some watchful eye before you are safe to sneak again! So what if you can use it only two or threee times before you are dry of magical power - that's how it goes for a stamblade! And if you sneak smart enough, you might not need it anyhow, though its always good to have for emergencies...
But the shadow cloak IS a spell, and thus should always be magica based. I mean, how else would that work, go invisible by... what, some non magical way? Bend the light around you by hand or what? Not like that's a thing for anyone...
On a more technical note, it makes way more sense this way - why would you even want to have both your sneaking and aour invisibility draw on the same resource? So that your invisibility drains your sneaktime, AND weapons fuel? So you run out of ALL stealth options when using invisibility too much?
Not something I would want to have on my stamina nightblade main, really...2 -
Erynyes✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideadwemer_paleologist wrote: »that would be Sweet!
to be able to use stamina would be awesome, i could spec properly and not have to waste it on magicka.
having a magicka dump is what make a STAM NB build awesome, not just stack everything into max stam/damage/regen, the same applies to stam sorc, DD and streak are awesome cuz they are magicka dump, making them a stam morph is not wanted, it's class defining skills, read what knotwood pst earlier, making any of these skill stam morph would serioulsy break mag/stam balance, in the current state of the game, it's more trouble than this game can affordEdited by Erynyes on May 26, 2017 6:14AMPC NA
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaThis would be a terrible, terrible idea. I wouldn't want anymore sources of stamina drain in the current game. Hard enough to manage your stamina as it is. Using magicka for cloack is a good thing. Please don't ever implement this.0 -
Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭Hmm...not a good ideaI had a former stamblade (now a hybrid) and I don't think a stamina morph is a good idea in that regards.
As others have mentioned, stamina has become harder to sustain for stamblades and even more so for magblades, I can reasonably foresee that a stamina morph of cloak would cost as much as its magicka counterpart being that it is a stealth ability. Lumping all your offensive and defensive/utility skills into one resource is always a bad idea.The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah mate...sounds like a good idea...would prefer Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloakyes... It is a NB BOTH .... Stam or Magicka....They need to have same rights:)Plays:
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