Hey Zos, riddle me this

LegacyDM · May 2017

Why is my gold cost reduction jewelry glyph which is suppose to reduce the cost of my skills by 203 only reducing the cost of my skills by 177? Stealth nerf? Bug? Clearly, someone's math is off.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

notimetocare · May 2017

Did you test this with no cost reduction % bonuses?

(Cost - reduction value) then % reduction
This is how mace armor reduction works

Edit: the way that looks feels wrong but the concept is that percent doesnt add well with flat values. And tends to cause what seems like inconsistent numbers

Turelus · May 2017

I believe it's something to do with the maths being weird right?

There have been threads for a while about how this is broken and I believe Alcast mentioned about how you don't actually reduce your cost by that value in his video done last.

notimetocare · May 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I believe it's something to do with the maths being weird right?

There have been threads for a while about how this is broken and I believe Alcast mentioned about how you don't actually reduce your cost by that value in his video done last.

I saw alot of Alcasts stuff, did he ever actually test if multiple reduction glyphs are stacking?

Turelus · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I believe it's something to do with the maths being weird right?

There have been threads for a while about how this is broken and I believe Alcast mentioned about how you don't actually reduce your cost by that value in his video done last.

I saw alot of Alcasts stuff, did he ever actually test if multiple reduction glyphs are stacking?

I don't know, it was only his last sustain video this week where he mentioned why regen was better because you only get x back with a glyph. I could have sworn he said you don't get the full value because reasons.

Can't check the video from here so can't cite directly, sorry.

STEVIL · May 2017

Passives

LegacyDM · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I believe it's something to do with the maths being weird right?

There have been threads for a while about how this is broken and I believe Alcast mentioned about how you don't actually reduce your cost by that value in his video done last.

I saw alot of Alcasts stuff, did he ever actually test if multiple reduction glyphs are stacking?

Only using one reduction glyph.

@zos there are two ways of fixing this. Either code the game to do what the glyph states in tooltip or change the glyph tooltip to reflect what it should be giving. It's stupid zos math that really irritates me and probably a lot of others in the community.

If the damn thing states it reduces cost of a skill by 203 it should reduce the cost by a flat amount of 203. I'm not subscribing to this oh well it's factoring in this, that, and a bit over here and when all said and done your really getting significantly less. That's stupid. Give us what the tooltip states or change tooltip.

Floki_Vilgerdarson · May 2017

In b4 lock

Greydir · May 2017

I already explained this once before. The order of application is first flat values, then percentages. This means each glyph with a flat value is reducing the effectiveness of additional percentual cost reductions. To examplify this, i did a test with a sorc without additional gear on PTS

Chrystalfrag base cost : 4050
Chrystalfrag while using one reduction Glyph : 3847 (Reduced by 203 as stated in the tooltip)
Crystalfrag with Unholy Knowledge (2 FP = 5% Reduction): 3848 Reduced by 202 Ergo 5% (Rounded)
Chrystalfrag with Unholy Knowledge and glyph: 3655 Reduced by a total of 395 Ergo first 203 down to 3847 and that reduced by an additional 5% (resulting in a reduction of 192) to 3655

As you can see, the glyph is working exactly as advertised.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

Once again math saves the day .

Greydir · May 2017

There is no voodoo involved to do a few basic calculations before posting spurious claimes and trying to agitate people...
Or maybe formulate these things as questions about game mechanics and not accusory statements.

f047ys3v3n · May 2017

Interestingly, there was a time when percentages were taken in the cost calculation before flat values. During that time cost reduction glyphs gave full value. The change came somewhere around 1.6 or 2.1 or thereabouts. I don't think a reason was ever given for the change which, amounted to a moderate overall resource nerf and a big nerf to cost reduction jewelry specifically. I don't remember it being in the patch notes that it had even happened. We were all running cost reduction glyphs at that time though this was mostly because nothing else really had much magnitude. The cost reduction nerf came the same patch as a big spell / weapon damage glyph buff. Everybody switched.

LegacyDM · May 2017

Greydir wrote: »

There is no voodoo involved to do a few basic calculations before posting spurious claimes and trying to agitate people...
Or maybe formulate these things as questions about game mechanics and not accusory statements.

Say what you will, zos could easily make glyph tooltips dynamic and adjust to account for passives and all that mathematical crap to Alleviate confusion.

I'm glad your the smartest one here and the basic math was intuitive for you. But for an idiot like me, I would prefer the tool tip be dynamically accurate. Don't think that's asking too much.

Imagine my surprise when I spend my money to gold out a glyph only to find it doesn't do what's stated. At least at first glance. You think new players understand zos math? I'm doing them a favor by highlighting this as an aggravation.