4000 crowns(34,99 euro) for a mount isn't that too much?

rhapsodious · May 2017

Eh, it's the same price and similar to the Dro-m'Athra Senche which had unique effects, was a LTO themed around the relevant DLC, and is even available for longer. At the end of the day, it's still purely cosmetic. Vote with your wallet.

lagrue · May 2017

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

First of all I know that they need to make money to keep servers up and so on but 4,000 crowns for a stinking mount is crazy and no one in their right mind would buy this. In order for me to get 4k crowns I will need to buy the 5500 crown pack which for me costs 34,99 euro.

This is as much as morrowind costed me and it is ridiculous. Is this mount meant to be for subs who get monthly crowns or what? I have purchased a lot of crowns in the past to support this game but this is just too much.

Either way I have decided not to support with crown purchases further, If ZOS wants to overcharge that's their right after all its their game but as a customer I can just stop purchasing crowns.

Anyway I would love to know what you guys think about the mount price in the store right now

We went through the same thing with the Elk. ZOS isn't dumb - they know which items they can overprice and still have them purchased. Much like real life - demand determines prices.

Which by the way, thank you for reminding me I need to log in today and grab this beauty - it's gonna be nice to finally have fire themed mount other than the Nightmare courser for my Fire DK. If you're like me and stock up during crown sales (and also do crazy things like buy 3 years worth of sub packages) then you can easily afford it. - And yes, I am well aware not everybody can pool that much money into menial things in the game.

If everybody was able to buy it, it wouldn't be very special now. There should be purchasable things that are not pheasable for everybody to buy - most mmos or games with in-game markets have this - a lower tier of cheap stuff for people who can't buy the premium stuff at higher prices. Heck - Warframe as an example - sell their 'Sydanas' (scarves) for about $5 a piece for regular ones - however to get ahold of the "Prime" ones costs $80 (in my country). That is just how it rolls.

It's kinda why the Nightmare Courser horse was so lame for the longest time - everybody could and did buy it, so it's all anybody used and it made it feel lame and worthless.

vamp_emily · May 2017

I think with ESO we need to use reverse psychology.

For example:

Player Comment:
"Great job ESO, please don't make our skills stronger; also, please take away mag and stam regen we don't need it.

Eso Teams Response:
We have a new update, we are making skills stronger and raising your stam and mag regen.

Player Comment:
Zeni please raise the prices of crown store items, we would like to pay 100 dollars per mount and 500 dollars per house. The crown store prices are too cheap.

Eso Teams Response:
We are no longer charging for items in the crown store.. take everything, take it all.

KingWhyteboi · May 2017

Can someone post a pic of this mount ?

lagrue · May 2017

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

Can someone post a pic of this mount ?

A pic doesn't do it justice - it also has mounting animations like the Crown Crate mounts do - it bursts into flames when mounting. (Atleast it does from the footage I saw)

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

Smmokkee wrote: »

You want to talk about overcharging? How about the fact that some of the housing was $100+ dollars.

And again, an entirely un-necessary luxury/cosmetic item. So who cares what the price is? I also could get upset at how expensive it would be to put gold-flake glitter paint on my car, but why?

Set aside crown store sales, DLC sales, subscription, and everything else. Mat Firor reportedlt said that ESO has 8.5M players.

Eh, that's the really fuzzy thing on B2P and F2P games - just how are they defining "players"? Is it anyone who's ever created an account (including people who haven't played since launch), is it the number of accounts that someone actively logged in during the past month/season/year?

Insandros · May 2017

I don't know how to directly link an image to show, you'll have to click on it, but here's what ZoS gets me to do, here i am begging at Deshaan's Inn

I Also sold all my gear and pets...

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5a94/0lcyyyg5moatffzzg.jpg

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2017

It has animations in the vein of the Dro-m'Athra mount. They arent going to list it at a lower asking price than that.

lagrue · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

You want to talk about overcharging? How about the fact that some of the housing was $100+ dollars.

And again, an entirely un-necessary luxury/cosmetic item. So who cares what the price is? I also could get upset at how expensive it would be to put gold-flake glitter paint on my car, but why?

Set aside crown store sales, DLC sales, subscription, and everything else. Mat Firor reportedlt said that ESO has 8.5M players.

Eh, that's the really fuzzy thing on B2P and F2P games - just how are they defining "players"? Is it anyone who's ever created an account (including people who haven't played since launch), is it the number of accounts that someone actively logged in during the past month/season/year?

They probably base it on how many people have logged in during the last x amount of time. There is far more than 10 million owners of the game now, so if they're saying 8.5 million - I'm assuming that's 'active' players - but also probably with a very generous timespan - like counting everybody who's logged in atleast once in the last 1 year.

We don't really know where they pull these stats from, but there is more than 10 million copies of the game sold - and many of those copies have been abused by exploiters or shared between people, and have therefore generated even more than 10 million accounts so it's unlikely they base it on how many accounts exist.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · May 2017

Yes. Way overpriced.

MacCait · May 2017

It IS indeed too much.

Seeing the last mount at 2500, I thought ZOS had stopped with the greed on mounts... but I was wrong. Nonsensical GREED.

They would make more money selling tons of these at 2500, than pricing it at 4000 for a limited number of people to buy them.

GREED mentality

lagrue · May 2017

MacCait wrote: »

It IS indeed too much.

Seeing the last mount at 2500, I thought ZOS had stopped with the greed on mounts... but I was wrong. Nonsensical GREED.

They would make more money selling tons of these at 2500, than pricing it at 4000 for a limited number of people to buy them.

GREED mentality

If less people are buying them, I highly doubt a 1500 crown difference brings in more cash at the end of the day. They would make alot more money selling them for 2500 and everybody and their dog being able to buy it - Realistically they probably lose money from doing this - but alot of player's appreciate it - it seems only broke people don't.

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

A thread has already been recently created on this topic...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347015/heartfire-kagouti

MacCait · May 2017

lagrue wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

It IS indeed too much.

Seeing the last mount at 2500, I thought ZOS had stopped with the greed on mounts... but I was wrong. Nonsensical GREED.

They would make more money selling tons of these at 2500, than pricing it at 4000 for a limited number of people to buy them.

GREED mentality

If less people are buying them, I highly doubt a 1500 crown difference brings in more cash at the end of the day. They would make alot more money selling them for 2500 and everybody and their dog being able to buy it - Realistically they probably lose money from doing this - but alot of player's appreciate it - it seems only broke people don't.

Errrr lol, isn't that just what I said?? Not sure if you just agreed with me or thought I said the opposite.

I said the same thing... I mean apart from the "broke people" part.

I don't think it has anything to do with broke people... repectfully, I think that's a little insulting.

It all adds up. New costumes come out... used to be priced at 500 or 700 for a bundle of 3. Now they are usually priced at 1000 for just one costume. Add to that the expensive costs of housing, special gear in crown crates, and mounts being priced from 4000 to 5000 crowns. It's insanity.

Arguably it could be said the game is becoming something only aimed at rich people.

I have no probs spending money on the game, spend £100's... but out of principal i'll refuse to pay if things are over priced, simply because it encourages the trend of ZOS greed.

It's a piece of digital pixels on a screen. Just an aesthetic cosmetic look, nothing more. Nothing warrants these things being priced at 4000 crowns. That's just very inconsiderate towards players and says a lot about where ZOS are at with greed mentality

lagrue · May 2017

MacCait wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

It IS indeed too much.

Seeing the last mount at 2500, I thought ZOS had stopped with the greed on mounts... but I was wrong. Nonsensical GREED.

They would make more money selling tons of these at 2500, than pricing it at 4000 for a limited number of people to buy them.

GREED mentality

If less people are buying them, I highly doubt a 1500 crown difference brings in more cash at the end of the day. They would make alot more money selling them for 2500 and everybody and their dog being able to buy it - Realistically they probably lose money from doing this - but alot of player's appreciate it - it seems only broke people don't.

Errrr lol, isn't that just what I said?? Not sure if you just agreed with me or thought I said the opposite.

I said the same thing... I mean apart from the "broke people" part.

I don't think it has anything to do with broke people... repectfully, I think that's a little insulting.

It all adds up. New costumes come out... used to be priced at 500 or 700 for a bundle of 3. Now they are usually priced at 1000 for just one costume. Add to that the expensive costs of housing, special gear in crown crates, and mounts being priced from 4000 to 5000 crowns. It's insanity.

Arguably it could be said the game is becoming something only aimed at rich people.

I have no probs spending money on the game, spend £100's... but out of principal i'll refuse to pay if things are over priced, simply because it encourages the trend of ZOS greed.

It's a piece of digital pixels on a screen. Just an aesthetic cosmetic look, nothing more. Nothing warrants these things being priced at 4000 crowns. That's just very inconsiderate towards players and says a lot about where ZOS are at with greed mentality

I guess I did misunderstand you - you said the word greed like 50 times and so I tried to explain why it's likely not greed. If they're likely making less money - then it's likely not a greed based decision - it's more likely one they made for the sake of players wanting premium content. I think we may be on the same page slightly? Maybe not all the way?

Pwnyridah · May 2017

Im sitting on 68k crowns from the sale.

Shadowasrial · May 2017

I will say this. These 4000 crown mounts are that expensive for their awesome cosmetics. You can buy plain mounts if you want but for those that love looking flashy riding mounts with unique summoning animations and cool effects are why these mounts are more expensive. The normal kogouti mount was 2500 crowns. Now for the enhanced cosmetically appealing version you can expect it to be expensive

rotaugen454 · May 2017

Gotta love all the armchair financial analysts saying how much more ZoS would make with a lower price/higher quantity. As someone with almost 30 years in Finance, I can say that we are all guessing, as we don't have the base data to model that they do.

Wayshuba · May 2017

Based on the last two special mounts I was expecting 2,500 - which is about the upper limit for me when it comes to mounts.

You have a lizard (the Gaur) in the CS for 1,300 Crowns. This new lizard is 4,000 Crowns. That is more than three times the price for a lizard. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to ZOS pricing on the CS. Crafting Motifs are all over the map.

Anyway, was ready to drop 2,500 crowns on this. At 4,000, it is not something I am going to purchase. I think ZOS forgets we already have mounts and they probably would have sold 4 times as many at 2,500 as they will at 4,000.

I am an ESO Plus member and while I have also purchased additional crowns in the past, I am getting to the point where I just feel like ignoring the CS. The prices are, quite frankly, getting ridiculous for simple cosmetic digital goods. So I think, for me, I will stick to the membership and just ignore the CS going forward. $120 houses and $35 mounts are, quite honestly, just ludicrous.

grizzledcroc · May 2017

I got it with the crowns I had gotten on sale back so im saved a bit on it . Im enjoying the guy a lot

lagrue · May 2017

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Gotta love all the armchair financial analysts saying how much more ZoS would make with a lower price/higher quantity. As someone with almost 30 years in Finance, I can say that we are all guessing, as we don't have the base data to model that they do.

True - and yeah I know even I'm guilty of it - we're only speculating based off the visible reaction on the forums - and even then, that doesn't remotely catch the entire playerbase and at the end of the day is no way indicative of how much they make.

But - if we're speculating, which we are - that is the best sample we have. Seeing as how the majority are complaining, the majority aren't buying - so it stands to reason they may not be making as much as they would otherwise. But of course - it's completely baseless speculation.

Common trend in MMOs though... premium cosmetics aren't usually about the money the company pulls in - it's usually about giving players the opportunity to have something others don't. Once again citing Warframe - people will pay $80 for a single scarf because they know the majority of people aren't going to buy it. Whether that means the company makes more or less from the product - who knows - what I do know is high priced cosmetics are def. made in the attempt to attract people seeking 'exclusivity.' They generally aren't priced to gouge people for money, but rather they're priced as such for the sake of generating artificially induced 'rarity.'

Wreuntzylla · May 2017

Smmokkee wrote: »

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

First of all I know that they need to make money to keep servers up and so on but 4,000 crowns for a stinking mount is crazy and no one in their right mind would buy this. In order for me to get 4k crowns I will need to buy the 5500 crown pack which for me costs 34,99 euro.

This is as much as morrowind costed me and it is ridiculous. Is this mount meant to be for subs who get monthly crowns or what? I have purchased a lot of crowns in the past to support this game but this is just too much.

Either way I have decided not to support with crown purchases further, If ZOS wants to overcharge that's their right after all its their game but as a customer I can just stop purchasing crowns.

Anyway I would love to know what you guys think about the mount price in the store right now

You want to talk about overcharging? How about the fact that some of the housing was $100+ dollars.

Well, in the past, it would have been justified based on the difference in cost for data storage and transfer. Now that chip makers are competing with disk makers, and the price per gigabyte has dropped like a stone, not sure that's a valid argument.

People bought expensive housing because ZoS really did a great job and it felt like having your own piece of Tamriel. I think the lack of worthwhile functionality in housing has taken some of the shine off, but still, if ZoS hits on someone's long felt need <shrug>. Alot of people bought Topal simply because they had always wanted to own an island and this was the closest they would get.

MacCait · May 2017

lagrue wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

It IS indeed too much.

Seeing the last mount at 2500, I thought ZOS had stopped with the greed on mounts... but I was wrong. Nonsensical GREED.

They would make more money selling tons of these at 2500, than pricing it at 4000 for a limited number of people to buy them.

GREED mentality

If less people are buying them, I highly doubt a 1500 crown difference brings in more cash at the end of the day. They would make alot more money selling them for 2500 and everybody and their dog being able to buy it - Realistically they probably lose money from doing this - but alot of player's appreciate it - it seems only broke people don't.

Errrr lol, isn't that just what I said?? Not sure if you just agreed with me or thought I said the opposite.

I said the same thing... I mean apart from the "broke people" part.

I don't think it has anything to do with broke people... repectfully, I think that's a little insulting.

It all adds up. New costumes come out... used to be priced at 500 or 700 for a bundle of 3. Now they are usually priced at 1000 for just one costume. Add to that the expensive costs of housing, special gear in crown crates, and mounts being priced from 4000 to 5000 crowns. It's insanity.

Arguably it could be said the game is becoming something only aimed at rich people.

I have no probs spending money on the game, spend £100's... but out of principal i'll refuse to pay if things are over priced, simply because it encourages the trend of ZOS greed.

It's a piece of digital pixels on a screen. Just an aesthetic cosmetic look, nothing more. Nothing warrants these things being priced at 4000 crowns. That's just very inconsiderate towards players and says a lot about where ZOS are at with greed mentality

I guess I did misunderstand you - you said the word greed like 50 times and so I tried to explain why it's likely not greed. If they're likely making less money - then it's likely not a greed based decision - it's more likely one they made for the sake of players wanting premium content. I think we may be on the same page slightly? Maybe not all the way?

Actually I used the word 3 times, which I do not feel excessive in anyway.

But yeah, I think we are basically agreeing.

At the end of the day, most (not all) those that simply MUST HAVE the mount will pay the 4000. It is just a shame for those that can not afford 4000 crown for a mount but would of paid 2500 for it. Also, players like myself who are like 'hey it's nice, but meh, not THAT nice' will not pay for it, but might have spent 2500 on it just to add to the collection.

I'm not bothered by this mount personally. I just think it's VERY overpriced, and I strongly object to the trend over the last year and a half of overpriced items and the seeming trend of greed that ZOS has continually demonstrated in it's decisions and pricing, including crown crates. Look at the uproar crown crates caused. That thread had to be closed and a new one made simply because it ran into a ridiculous amount of pages. Did ZOS take notice of the free market feedback? Nope.

It's not good

Thavie · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Again, it's a cosmetic item. I've no issue with silly prices for those, whether it's a pair of "pre-ripped" jeans or a flaming mount in a game. (I mean, I may certainly think it's dumb - especially paying extra for ripped pants, seriously? Ugh. But I don't object to their existance, or get upset about the price. Shrug my shoulders, don't buy it, and move on.)

You are missing the important point here: it is not random jeans from random store, it's digital item in digital store, which is actually just a simple re-skin with some cheap effects on it and it simply doesn't cost that much, but the most important thing is if people will buy it now (and they already started to do so) and no one will argue about the pricing it will go higher next time. Anybody remembers first months of crown store with horses for 700 each?.. The cost of Nightmare was HUGE back then - 2500 crowns. It was the same re-skin with some cheap effects, but for the price almost TWICE lower than this time. Sench-mount? Was 1200 at first, and started to grown more later. Wolf? 1700 started point. Do you see the problem already or not yet?.. Everytime their playerbase say "don't buy it if you don't like it, why do you care?" they raise the price again and again. This game is already one of the most expencive MMOs in the market. Isn't it enough? Wouldn't it much better if people be able to afford more cool stuff for themselves? This is why it is important to talk about it, to stop bying things like that if you like this game. If you don't... oh whale, then shrug your shoulders!

Jegpeg · May 2017

Zenimax fully understand marketing and they are aware that while some (the majority) of people want things at a reasonable price there are some who want to make it clear that they are not of ordinary stock, they have plenty of cash so they can spend lots of money on rare items that are functionally the same as much cheaper.

You can get an accurate perfectly good watch for (say) $20 but some people spend several thousand for a watch which screams out I am rich.

If you are (need to be ) sensible with money stick to a horse (you can get it for an hour or twos effort rather than any money at all) if you show off your bling get an exotic mount and a collection of mansions.

Wreuntzylla · May 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

You want to talk about overcharging? How about the fact that some of the housing was $100+ dollars.

And again, an entirely un-necessary luxury/cosmetic item. So who cares what the price is? I also could get upset at how expensive it would be to put gold-flake glitter paint on my car, but why?

Set aside crown store sales, DLC sales, subscription, and everything else. Mat Firor reportedlt said that ESO has 8.5M players.

Eh, that's the really fuzzy thing on B2P and F2P games - just how are they defining "players"? Is it anyone who's ever created an account (including people who haven't played since launch), is it the number of accounts that someone actively logged in during the past month/season/year?

They probably base it on how many people have logged in during the last x amount of time. There is far more than 10 million owners of the game now, so if they're saying 8.5 million - I'm assuming that's 'active' players - but also probably with a very generous timespan - like counting everybody who's logged in atleast once in the last 1 year.

We don't really know where they pull these stats from, but there is more than 10 million copies of the game sold - and many of those copies have been abused by exploiters or shared between people, and have therefore generated even more than 10 million accounts so it's unlikely they base it on how many accounts exist.

I actually think from the report I read that it's somewhere in between the two methods. But that's why I picked a number that is almost an order of magnitude lower and then took a personal guess. $100M is 2.5 million, I think that is more than active players but typically a large number of inactives come out for a DLC. Post-DLC, the game is a zoo for about 2 weeks.

Smmokkee · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

You want to talk about overcharging? How about the fact that some of the housing was $100+ dollars.

And again, an entirely un-necessary luxury/cosmetic item. So who cares what the price is? I also could get upset at how expensive it would be to put gold-flake glitter paint on my car, but why?

Set aside crown store sales, DLC sales, subscription, and everything else. Mat Firor reportedlt said that ESO has 8.5M players.

Eh, that's the really fuzzy thing on B2P and F2P games - just how are they defining "players"? Is it anyone who's ever created an account (including people who haven't played since launch), is it the number of accounts that someone actively logged in during the past month/season/year?

Why would you get upset about the cost of gold flake glitter paint on your car? Clearly worth whatever price.

Sigma957 · May 2017

Would you rather pay 4k crowns for a mount you know you will get or more crowns for a mount you might not get in crown crates? This was discussed when the crates were introduced and the mounts that were hidden inside them and not in the store.

Nyladreas · May 2017

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

First of all I know that they need to make money to keep servers up and so on but 4,000 crowns for a stinking mount is crazy and no one in their right mind would buy this. In order for me to get 4k crowns I will need to buy the 5500 crown pack which for me costs 34,99 euro.

This is as much as morrowind costed me and it is ridiculous. Is this mount meant to be for subs who get monthly crowns or what? I have purchased a lot of crowns in the past to support this game but this is just too much.

Either way I have decided not to support with crown purchases further, If ZOS wants to overcharge that's their right after all its their game but as a customer I can just stop purchasing crowns.

Anyway I would love to know what you guys think about the mount price in the store right now

Yeah this is simply idiotic for the fact that if the mount was around 2-2.5k they would get a TON more sales on it. This way they are losing profit because not everyone's going to dive in with their credit card. Sure there will still be A LOT of people buying it, I could buy it too, it wouldnt hurt me one bit. I just dont want to.

Shianna · May 2017

they wanna sell Mounts for 35€ but cant provide a working lfg/queuing System

sounds pretty funny to me