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Devs...resource poisons have no place in this game.
TheDoomsdayMonster
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Devs, you guys say that you want "counterplay based gameplay," but this runs completely opposite to what resource poisons bring to the game...
There is no counterplay to resource poisons...
You cant stop it from happening (being poisoned)...
You cant cleanse it....
The only thing you can do is equip your own poisons and hope you drain your opponent before he drains you, and that is cancerous...
I can honestly say that most of my deaths happen because I've been drained of resources and can no longer fight back...
As a result, I am losing to the poison and not the players skill; that is definitely not "counterplay based gameplay"...
Get these poisons out of the game Devs, they have no place in it; especially when you consider the changes to resource management that Morrowind brings to the table...
That is all...
Thanks for reading this...
Edited for spelling...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on May 25, 2017 3:06PM There is no counterplay to resource poisons...
You cant stop it from happening (being poisoned)...
You cant cleanse it....
The only thing you can do is equip your own poisons and hope you drain your opponent before he drains you, and that is cancerous...
I can honestly say that most of my deaths happen because I've been drained of resources and can no longer fight back...
As a result, I am losing to the poison and not the players skill; that is definitely not "counterplay based gameplay"...
Get these poisons out of the game Devs, they have no place in it; especially when you consider the changes to resource management that Morrowind brings to the table...
That is all...
Thanks for reading this...
Edited for spelling...
Unyeilding Bias
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The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
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May I ask, why?TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »The only thing you can do is equip your own poisons and hope you drain your opponent before he drains you, and that is cancerous
You sounds like a 'genius', crafted res poisons, brought it to the Cyro with dreams "I'll pwn every1!!!!" and realised, that nearly every 2nd enemy are using it too.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PVP from what I can tell has become 'who can poison first'.
Because this was a totally forseen effect of your buggery, Zeni. The resource nerf was such a good thing.5 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They need to be removed, especially in non cp pvp, they are far too strong.
They were brought it at a time where people ran around with 600 regen, that is no longer the case, they have no place anymore.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...9 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does OP use poisons or merely expect Zos to change the game to suit his/her play style?0 -
cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭They need to make a potion that removes the effects of poisons and the problem would be solved.6 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
Have fun heavy attacking when you have to BoL or shield stack to survive.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.13 -
Sosderosii✭✭✭Nobody forces you into the unkillable infinite sustain tank meta that has to go and is going away.
Once their numbers will be thinned, people will adapt to different strategies after no longer being forced to just counter it with poisons and any means necessary, after which you will be able to compete with that build again if you really wanted it (I doubt it) instead of just blindly following a meta.1 -
Sosderosii✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
He wants his noob meta build to be always effective against everything with very limited skill, involvement or counter builds0 -
Smmokkee✭✭✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
Omg dude please. Do you just walk around holding zos's pocket? Every post about game issues and you're on it spewing some bs. Did you just compare weapon enchants to resource cost poisons? Huge difference bud.
Everyone who pvp regularly knows these poisons are completely out of hand. If you are hit by these you're most likely dead. The only counterplay is to run them yourself and hope it procs first.12 -
Sosderosii✭✭✭Sosderosii wrote: »So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
He wants his noob meta build to be always effective against everything while needing nothing but very limited skill and involvement
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
enchants are weak in compare to poisons...even damage enchant like fire etc is much weaker than normal poison with just damage health
enchent will proc weak once per 5 seconds while poison have chance top proc once per 10 seconds but muh stronger and resource poisons are much much stronger...they not dealing damage but they cause you will lost your resources much faster than your oppond wich will eng you will start just heavy attacking without resources to even break free when your opponet will have still hight amout of resources to just rekt you without defense with his skills3 -
jlboozer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Resource poisons have a place in this game. It's called my trader slots....they sell great!
If anybody wants to buy some on ps4 NA
I have plenty in Elden Root....make the salt flow!! + 60% cost to stam & mag(...feels good sir!).Edited by jlboozer on May 25, 2017 5:10PM2 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭cmetzger93 wrote: »They need to make a potion that removes the effects of poisons and the problem would be solved.
formerly called antidotes
and that would actually be a great addition to the counterplay based gamestyle 6 -
PhxOldGamer68✭✭✭✭I guess the only "counter" would be to enchant jewelry with Poison Resistance.PSN NA/EU: DesertDweller99
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Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭they suck, but they help in CP campaigns against these players with the cheesy block unkillable builds0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Malamar1229 wrote: »they suck, but they help in CP campaigns against these players with the cheesy block unkillable builds
but problem with this its very small amount of players on those cheesy block unkillable builds and by those poison much more of normal players will bet hard hit by those poison and they will feel this pain more than those cheesy builds2 -
Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭It's Fine, Learn to Play
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ZOS, please don't listen to the complainers wanting everything to be nerfed...2 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
Omg dude please. Do you just walk around holding zos's pocket? Every post about game issues and you're on it spewing some bs. Did you just compare weapon enchants to resource cost poisons? Huge difference bud.
Everyone who pvp regularly knows these poisons are completely out of hand. If you are hit by these you're most likely dead. The only counterplay is to run them yourself and hope it procs first.
So i know this doesn't fit whatever narrative you feel is needed but what does lack of counterplay overstatements and pointing that out have to do with ZOS' pockets? I get some folks dont want to change but come on, not everyone who disagrees is not just shilling.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭I play on NO CP. and I used to be against poisons. then one day I realized that every fight I had I was at disadvantage. So I started using poisons too. Now I actually run in too ppl who do not used poisons... and I feel horrible because the win does not feel like a win... then I take of my poisons ... now I run in to folks that use poison...
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Check out his PVP YouTube channel !
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
enchants are weak in compare to poisons...even damage enchant like fire etc is much weaker than normal poison with just damage health
enchent will proc weak once per 5 seconds while poison have chance top proc once per 10 seconds but muh stronger and resource poisons are much much stronger...they not dealing damage but they cause you will lost your resources much faster than your oppond wich will eng you will start just heavy attacking without resources to even break free when your opponet will have still hight amout of resources to just rekt you without defense with his skills
Ok so, thing is... how much damage ravage health poison DOts do vs how much damage enchants do has what exactly to do with the counterplay argument i made?
please look at the Op post. never once did the subject of relative damage come up. it was all about a lack of counterplay.
it was the post i quoted and the comment i even bolded for emphasis was "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Butm if the argument now needs to turn to how much damage poison do or how much damage poisons enable, let me ask you this...
In a heads up PVP battle between one cp630 character played by players of relatively equal skill with all white non-set gear and resource poisons vs a similar character with all gold all set gear that works together but enchants, does the poison player win all the time?
No? Are you saying that it is likely the non-poison gear will decide the outcome?
That is a deliberately extreme example but... seems to me the issue of "do i lose to gear sometimes as opposed to skill" was settled for this game long long long before poisons and specifically resource poisons came into being.
What poisons have tho, that say gold gear sets and maelstrom weapons and monster combos is: they are widely accessible so everyone can have them - as opposed to say trial/arena drops.
Finally, please not, the GAME includes PVE not just PVP. Removing poisons from the whole game due to some folks not liking their effects in PVP is a bit over the top.
if the poster wanted this discussion limited to PVP only, it should have been titled appropriately and put in appropriate PVP forum.
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."1 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I play on NO CP. and I used to be against poisons. then one day I realized that every fight I had I was at disadvantage. So I started using poisons too. Now I actually run in too ppl who do not used poisons... and I feel horrible because the win does not feel like a win... then I take of my poisons ... now I run in to folks that use poison...
endless cruel circle.
Would you feel that way winning against someone who chose not to use jewelry?
Do you feel that way against folks who do not have monster sets?
Any other piece of your gear you feel is BAD WIn if the other guy doesn't have it yet?Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
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so take this to compare just damage from enchant anf from damage poisonSo what is the counter play to enchants?
Enemy hits me with a flame damage enchant... i get hurt.
Enemy hits me with spell damage enchant - he hits harder
etc...
Sure come can be purged and some can be restored/healed...
As for "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Get hit by poison for 5s of 30% magica inc. instead of an enchant that raises their spell damage for 5s.
For those 5s, i focus more on light/heavy and ultimates than spams of abilities and my highest costers.
Then wallop during the 5s of cooldown.
Now, obviously this does not cover every possible circumstance, but... at the base fundamental level the counterplay to resource potions is heavy and light attacks.
enchants are weak in compare to poisons...even damage enchant like fire etc is much weaker than normal poison with just damage health
enchent will proc weak once per 5 seconds while poison have chance top proc once per 10 seconds but muh stronger and resource poisons are much much stronger...they not dealing damage but they cause you will lost your resources much faster than your oppond wich will eng you will start just heavy attacking without resources to even break free when your opponet will have still hight amout of resources to just rekt you without defense with his skills
Ok so, thing is... how much damage ravage health poison DOts do vs how much damage enchants do has what exactly to do with the counterplay argument i made?
please look at the Op post. never once did the subject of relative damage come up. it was all about a lack of counterplay.
it was the post i quoted and the comment i even bolded for emphasis was "There is no counterplay to resource poisons..."
Butm if the argument now needs to turn to how much damage poison do or how much damage poisons enable, let me ask you this...
In a heads up PVP battle between one cp630 character played by players of relatively equal skill with all white non-set gear and resource poisons vs a similar character with all gold all set gear that works together but enchants, does the poison player win all the time?
No? Are you saying that it is likely the non-poison gear will decide the outcome?
That is a deliberately extreme example but... seems to me the issue of "do i lose to gear sometimes as opposed to skill" was settled for this game long long long before poisons and specifically resource poisons came into being.
What poisons have tho, that say gold gear sets and maelstrom weapons and monster combos is: they are widely accessible so everyone can have them - as opposed to say trial/arena drops.
Finally, please not, the GAME includes PVE not just PVP. Removing poisons from the whole game due to some folks not liking their effects in PVP is a bit over the top.
if the poster wanted this discussion limited to PVP only, it should have been titled appropriately and put in appropriate PVP forum.
and no, Im not for remove all poisons from game..Im just to remove resource drain poison because this is problem...poison with additional damage are not probem..they are nice to gameplay to additional damage, dots while resource drain poisons are just cancerous like proc sets...
now we have few types of duels depending on which builds are duelers....who will charge destro ult first, whow proc stet will burst faster and whose resource drain poison will apply faster on their opponent..5
